From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V8 #37 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.pattygriffin.net/PattyInConcertDB.php * OR * go to http://www.atorecords.com * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V8 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. * Also, PLEASE do not quote an entire digest when you reply to the * list. Edit out anything you are not referring to. mad-mission-digest Friday, February 27 2004 Volume 08 : Number 037 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Re: Politics and Art ["Lisa Zwick" ] MM: Love Throws A Line ["Eugene Unger" ] MM: please take me off this list! I don't know how else to do it ["Keene"] MM: Politics and Art ["Steve Del" ] Re: MM: Politics and Art [FlamingRed74@aol.com] RE: MM: Politics and Art ["April Fritz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:44:51 -0500 From: "Lisa Zwick" Subject: MM: Re: Politics and Art I don't see how the song is political at all. It's completely open to interpretation (unless patty comes out and tells us exactly what it's about, and then you can still ignore her and put your own meaning into it ;) ). It does mention war, but it can be any war, or not even a real war. Doesn't sound like an attack on Bush (at least not to me). Not gonna push my interpetation on people, but what first jumps out at me is the wire...seems important. And I don't see how it would have to do with Bush. Actually, the more I read it, the less it seems like it's about Bush. If it were addressed to him, that would actually be....creepy. It's too poetic. Now someone PLEASE tell the rest of us how we can hear it... - -Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:59:57 -0500 From: "Eugene Unger" Subject: MM: Love Throws A Line Just thought I would mention this new song was played on the Monday 2/23 World Cafe broadcast. My timing was perfect since I had just turned on the radio. Great song; cool, funky bass line going on if I remember correctly. Eugene (my first post!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 00:12:41 -0500 From: "Keene" Subject: MM: please take me off this list! I don't know how else to do it ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:41:24 -0800 From: "Steve Del" Subject: MM: Politics and Art The album is not political. One or two songs could be interpreted that way, but so what. I wouldn't even have noticed if it wasn't brought to my attention. Great writers can write what they want. Neil has done it well for years. As long as it's an original thought, and not a regurgitation of of what some partisan lawyers spew on cable TV spin shows, then it's OK by me and probably OK by most of us. And I am pretty sure Patty speaks her own mind...I don't think she even watches cable TV un-news. That said, wait till you hear the album before you all go off half cocked. For those of you who are songwriters, you know you write what comes to you and we can only wish we could write songs as tasteful as Patty. Could we now just enjoy the music and not dissect everything, especially when you haven't even heard it? peace, - -s >- ----Original Message Follows---- >From: [someone] >To: >Subject: MM: Politics and Art >Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:51:23 -0800 > >I am so sad to hear that Patty's new album is political. _________________________________________________________________ Watch high-quality video with fast playback at MSN Video. Free! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200365ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 00:50:21 EST From: FlamingRed74@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Politics and Art How did Vince Neil get into this discussion!?!? ;-) .... ?? .. had to lighten the mood a bit.. Dave In a message dated 02/27/2004 12:47:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, sdelfante@hotmail.com writes: Neil has done it well for years. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:21:13 -0800 From: "April Fritz" Subject: RE: MM: Politics and Art What an absurd thing to say - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Roy Larsen Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 8:37 PM To: april@aprilville.com; mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: RE: MM: Politics and Art "....there is sadly no possibility of "interesting discussion" (as you put it) with you". Sadly April, it appears not....... Peace (if that's not too political) Roy - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "April Fritz" To: "'Roy Larsen'" , Subject: RE: MM: Politics and Art Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:55:07 -0800 Roy - if you cannot see the difference between the lyrics to "As Cold as it Gets" and "Tony" or "Poor Man's House" then there is sadly no possibility of "interesting discussion" (as you put it) with you. Perhaps you mis-spoke. If the song were about the "human condition" of war that would be one thing but it seems to me to be more of an attack on one individual. For the record, I am exposed to distasteful ideas and emotions on a daily basis. The silliness of Patty's lyric only saddens me. I think it is beneath her. Hopefully the whole album will not be this trite. - -----Original Message----- From: Roy Larsen [mailto:roy_larsen@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 6:37 PM To: april@aprilville.com; mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: RE: MM: Politics and Art I would suggest that the whole purpose of art is to evoke emotions. Those emotions could be associated with personal relationships, such as finding or losing love, as well as the human condition, such as poverty, war, and injustice. Poor Man's House, Shells, and Tony would be classic examples from Patty on the human condition. And of course, the problems, causes, and solutions to the human condition are by their nature political. It's true that you can't debate with a painting, or a song, or a sculpture, but art can certainly spur a lot of interesting discussion between open minded folks. I believe this is the reason good art exists. But I also feel that for one to appreciate Art as an expression, one must be willing to be exposed to ideas and emotions that are distasteful. I would hope that a few distasteful experiences with an artist would not invalidate his/her whole body of work if it brought much more pleasure and comfort than not. Roy - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "April Fritz" To: Subject: MM: Politics and Art Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:51:23 -0800 I am so sad to hear that Patty's new album is political. I love Patty's music and she has helped me get through many sad times. She was the first person I was able to listen to after I lost my own record deal. For a year afterward I couldn't even turn on the radio. One thing I love about her music is that she makes it so personal that I find many universal truths in her words and thus don't feel quite so alone. I'm not saying that artist don't have a right to use their platform to speak their minds politically it's just that for me politics is something that needs to be debated, to be talked about. Listening to politics in music is like listening to a sermon and if you don't agree with the premises there is nothing you can do but turn the person off. Further, at least for me, it has the effect of tainting the artists other work. I can't listen to them without thinking about how much I disagree with their politics. This happened to me with Kris Delmhorst. I refused to see her live show because I knew it would be littered with attacks against what I believe in politically and philosophically. I just wish with all my heart that these artists would leave the politics aside so that we can enjoy their art and feel the human connection with them. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Becca Jarry Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 4:09 PM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: As cold as it gets I just read the review for Impossible Dream on the ATO records site and sure enough it does mention some political flavor to the album. No doubt Patty is speaking her mind through the music and this song is meant for Bush. Pretty cool. Becca _________________________________________________________________ Say good-bye to spam, viruses and pop-ups with MSN Premium -- free trial offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ _________________________________________________________________ Dream of owning a home? 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