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Edit out anything you are not referring to. mad-mission-digest Thursday, February 26 2004 Volume 08 : Number 035 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: NPC-Jonatha! [RbSayre@aol.com] MM: As Cold As It Gets [Danalee7@comcast.net] re: MM: As Cold As It Gets [Rach2414@aol.com] RE: MM: As Cold As It Gets ["Jim Murphy" ] re: MM: As Cold As It Gets ["" ] MM: RE: As Cold As It Gets ["Jim Murphy" ] Re: MM: As Cold As It Gets [ShmephSasso@aol.com] Re: MM: As Cold As It Gets [garveygirl70@comcast.net] MM: As cold as it gets ["Becca Jarry" ] Re: MM: As Cold As It Gets [Rach2414@aol.com] Re: MM: S/S shows - who can he lp me? [ShmephSasso@aol.com] MM: He lp! [Amy Leonard ] MM: Don't use the word "help" in the subject line [Mike Connell ] RE: MM: Politics and Art ["Roy Larsen" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 01:56:26 EST From: RbSayre@aol.com Subject: MM: NPC-Jonatha! In a message dated 2/26/04 1:35:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org writes: > Her new album (Back in the Circus) came out yesterday and it's worth buying > just for her cover of Alan Parsons' "Eye In The Sky". I know what you're > thinking, "That cheesy old 80's song?" Trust me, you'll look at the song in a > completely new way and you'll realize just how amazing the lyrics actually > are. I have to second this- Back in the Circus is really great. Jonatha is one of the more interesting singer/songwriters out there. Patty fans will definitely like her, although she reminds me a bit more of Aimee Mann or Sam Philips. Really good stuff to enjoy while we're waiting for the new Patty cd!! rick "i just remembered- Francie doesn't like coffee ice cream..." staircase wit- rick's webpage *lip my stocking! lip it!!* -lost in translation ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 20:57:33 +0000 From: Danalee7@comcast.net Subject: MM: As Cold As It Gets This song has me really moved this week- This morning I tried to capture the lyrics for you. There may be slight inaccuracies. It is sung to a pretty pleasant catchy melody that if you did not hear the lyrics it would be a nice little song- to solo acoustic fingerpicking guitar. I heard it a few times without listening closely- I finally caught it. My friend says it is about Bush- now I cannot hear it in any other context- I think she is clearly right. Patty has not made many political statements that I have heard- other than hoping for peace. Scathing is the word that comes to me - she can lay it down all right. I think of it as a letter to Bush. I hope he hears it.- altho I am sure this one will not be played on the radio. Dana in Berkeley- who cannot even watch news anymore As Cold As It Gets- Patty Griffin To the end of the earth I'll search for your face for the one who laid all of our beauty to waste, threw our hope into Hell and our children into the fire. I am the one who'll crawl through the wire. I am the one who'll crawl through the wire. There's a million sad stories on the side of the road. Strange how we all just got used to the blood. Millions of stories that'll never be told, silent and froze in the mud, silent and froze in the mud. I know a cold as cold as it gets. I know a darkness that's darker than cold. A wind that blows as cold as it gets blew out the light of my soul. blew out the light of my soul. I dream in my sleep, I dream in my days of some sunny street not so far away, where up in a window a curtain will sway and you and I'll meet down below, you and I'll meet down below. I know a cold as cold as it gets. I fight a war I may never see one.(???) I live only to see you live to regret everything that you've done, everything that you've done, everything that you've done. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:55:41 EST From: Rach2414@aol.com Subject: re: MM: As Cold As It Gets I hadn't really thought about what the song meant but I totally think you're right that it is about Bush. The line, "I fight a war I may never see one" doesn't really make sense to me but I think you've got the lyrics correct. I adore the very last line "I live only to see you live to regret everything that you've done"... so chilling and malicious. The song that's been getting to me is 'don't come easy' "you're out there walking down a highway/and all of the signs got blown away/ sometimes you wonder if you're walking in the wrong direction" - -Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:23:40 -0500 From: "Jim Murphy" Subject: RE: MM: As Cold As It Gets "Don't Come Easy" will be the show stopper on the tour this spring and summer Murph - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Rach2414@aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 4:56 PM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: re: MM: As Cold As It Gets I hadn't really thought about what the song meant but I totally think you're right that it is about Bush. The line, "I fight a war I may never see one" doesn't really make sense to me but I think you've got the lyrics correct. I adore the very last line "I live only to see you live to regret everything that you've done"... so chilling and malicious. The song that's been getting to me is 'don't come easy' "you're out there walking down a highway/and all of the signs got blown away/ sometimes you wonder if you're walking in the wrong direction" - -Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:36:16 -0700 From: "" Subject: re: MM: As Cold As It Gets Quoting "" : > The line, "I fight a war I may never see one" doesn't really make sense to me > but I think you've got the lyrics correct. Or maybe it's "I fight a war I may never see won." > I adore the very last line "I live only to see you live to regret everything > that you've done"... so chilling and malicious. I agree! Dulcie. - ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:26:00 -0500 From: "Jim Murphy" Subject: MM: RE: As Cold As It Gets The first few times I listened to this song, I thought Patty was talking about people coming into this County illegally. I told one person I thought it was a song influenced by Michael Ramos murph - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Danalee7@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 3:58 PM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: As Cold As It Gets This song has me really moved this week- This morning I tried to capture the lyrics for you. There may be slight inaccuracies. It is sung to a pretty pleasant catchy melody that if you did not hear the lyrics it would be a nice little song- to solo acoustic fingerpicking guitar. I heard it a few times without listening closely- I finally caught it. My friend says it is about Bush- now I cannot hear it in any other context- I think she is clearly right. Patty has not made many political statements that I have heard- other than hoping for peace. Scathing is the word that comes to me - she can lay it down all right. I think of it as a letter to Bush. I hope he hears it.- altho I am sure this one will not be played on the radio. Dana in Berkeley- who cannot even watch news anymore As Cold As It Gets- Patty Griffin To the end of the earth I'll search for your face for the one who laid all of our beauty to waste, threw our hope into Hell and our children into the fire. I am the one who'll crawl through the wire. I am the one who'll crawl through the wire. There's a million sad stories on the side of the road. Strange how we all just got used to the blood. Millions of stories that'll never be told, silent and froze in the mud, silent and froze in the mud. I know a cold as cold as it gets. I know a darkness that's darker than cold. A wind that blows as cold as it gets blew out the light of my soul. blew out the light of my soul. I dream in my sleep, I dream in my days of some sunny street not so far away, where up in a window a curtain will sway and you and I'll meet down below, you and I'll meet down below. I know a cold as cold as it gets. I fight a war I may never see one.(???) I live only to see you live to regret everything that you've done, everything that you've done, everything that you've done. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:46:08 EST From: ShmephSasso@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: As Cold As It Gets I'm lost - how have you all heard this song? Steph ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:56:49 +0000 From: garveygirl70@comcast.net Subject: Re: MM: As Cold As It Gets I haven't - I feel the same way you do > I'm lost - how have you all heard this song? > Steph ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 19:08:43 -0500 From: "Becca Jarry" Subject: MM: As cold as it gets I just read the review for Impossible Dream on the ATO records site and sure enough it does mention some political flavor to the album. No doubt Patty is speaking her mind through the music and this song is meant for Bush. Pretty cool. Becca _________________________________________________________________ Say good-bye to spam, viruses and pop-ups with MSN Premium -- free trial offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 19:30:16 EST From: Rach2414@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: As Cold As It Gets "Or maybe it's "I fight a war I may never see won."" ooh, good call!! that makes a LOT more sense "The first few times I listened to this song, I thought Patty was talking about people coming into this County illegally. I told one person I thought it was a song influenced by Michael Ramos" i can totally see this being the case too... it's probably influenced by a lot of things and they all come out in different lines of the song... i can't wait to hear "don't come easy" live!! - -rachel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 20:12:22 EST From: ShmephSasso@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: S/S shows - who can he lp me? Hi all, I am making a mix and I REALLY want to include the hysterical singer-songerwriter version of "I Want it that Way" but the show I have (KEswick) has some strage noises on that song. Does anyone have another show with a good version of the song who would be willing to send it to me? Will send SASE/blank CD. Thanks! Steph ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:19:49 -0800 (PST) From: Amy Leonard Subject: MM: He lp! Um, what's this about a new song? Is one out? Where can I hear it???? Tour when is this spring and summer tour, you speak of? And, more importantly when is it coming to SF? Impossible Dream? Is this the new album? When is it out? Ugh, been burried in HW, so I'm feeling very much like Rip Van Winkle? Thus, please help me stumble out of my confussion. Thanks, Amy the bewildered co-ed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 20:46:26 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: MM: Don't use the word "help" in the subject line You may have noticed two consecutive posts with "he lp" in the subject line (a space between the "E" and the "L"). This is because the list software (majordomo) rejects posts with the word "help" in the subject as it recognizes the post as an administrative request to majordomo@smoe.org asking for help and figures it was misdirected towards the list posting address (mad-mission@smoe.org). It similarly rejects posts with the word "subscribe" in the body of any posts. Thus, I approved such "help" posts with the space inbtween the E and the L so that replies TO the list will get through (otherwise all replies to the list will bounce also). So, this is just a request to please avoid posting to the list with the word "help" in the subject. Just choose some other phrasing. (and how weird is it that two such posts just came in within 7 minutes of each other?) Mike P.S. You'd be amazed how many posts come in to the list with only "subscribe'" or "unsubscribe" instead of being sent to the proper address for that function. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:51:23 -0800 From: "April Fritz" Subject: MM: Politics and Art I am so sad to hear that Patty's new album is political. I love Patty's music and she has helped me get through many sad times. She was the first person I was able to listen to after I lost my own record deal. For a year afterward I couldn't even turn on the radio. One thing I love about her music is that she makes it so personal that I find many universal truths in her words and thus don't feel quite so alone. I'm not saying that artist don't have a right to use their platform to speak their minds politically it's just that for me politics is something that needs to be debated, to be talked about. Listening to politics in music is like listening to a sermon and if you don't agree with the premises there is nothing you can do but turn the person off. Further, at least for me, it has the effect of tainting the artists other work. I can't listen to them without thinking about how much I disagree with their politics. This happened to me with Kris Delmhorst. I refused to see her live show because I knew it would be littered with attacks against what I believe in politically and philosophically. I just wish with all my heart that these artists would leave the politics aside so that we can enjoy their art and feel the human connection with them. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Becca Jarry Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 4:09 PM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: As cold as it gets I just read the review for Impossible Dream on the ATO records site and sure enough it does mention some political flavor to the album. No doubt Patty is speaking her mind through the music and this song is meant for Bush. Pretty cool. Becca _________________________________________________________________ Say good-bye to spam, viruses and pop-ups with MSN Premium -- free trial offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:37:05 -0800 From: "Roy Larsen" Subject: RE: MM: Politics and Art I would suggest that the whole purpose of art is to evoke emotions. Those emotions could be associated with personal relationships, such as finding or losing love, as well as the human condition, such as poverty, war, and injustice. Poor Man's House, Shells, and Tony would be classic examples from Patty on the human condition. And of course, the problems, causes, and solutions to the human condition are by their nature political. It's true that you can't debate with a painting, or a song, or a sculpture, but art can certainly spur a lot of interesting discussion between open minded folks. I believe this is the reason good art exists. But I also feel that for one to appreciate Art as an expression, one must be willing to be exposed to ideas and emotions that are distasteful. I would hope that a few distasteful experiences with an artist would not invalidate his/her whole body of work if it brought much more pleasure and comfort than not. Roy - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "April Fritz" To: Subject: MM: Politics and Art Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:51:23 -0800 I am so sad to hear that Patty's new album is political. I love Patty's music and she has helped me get through many sad times. She was the first person I was able to listen to after I lost my own record deal. For a year afterward I couldn't even turn on the radio. One thing I love about her music is that she makes it so personal that I find many universal truths in her words and thus don't feel quite so alone. I'm not saying that artist don't have a right to use their platform to speak their minds politically it's just that for me politics is something that needs to be debated, to be talked about. Listening to politics in music is like listening to a sermon and if you don't agree with the premises there is nothing you can do but turn the person off. Further, at least for me, it has the effect of tainting the artists other work. I can't listen to them without thinking about how much I disagree with their politics. This happened to me with Kris Delmhorst. I refused to see her live show because I knew it would be littered with attacks against what I believe in politically and philosophically. I just wish with all my heart that these artists would leave the politics aside so that we can enjoy their art and feel the human connection with them. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Becca Jarry Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 4:09 PM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: As cold as it gets I just read the review for Impossible Dream on the ATO records site and sure enough it does mention some political flavor to the album. No doubt Patty is speaking her mind through the music and this song is meant for Bush. Pretty cool. Becca _________________________________________________________________ Say good-bye to spam, viruses and pop-ups with MSN Premium -- free trial offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ _________________________________________________________________ Dream of owning a home? 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