From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V7 #261 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.pattygriffin.net/PattyInConcertDB.php * OR * go to http://www.atorecords.com * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V7 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. * Also, PLEASE do not quote an entire digest when you reply to the * list. Edit out anything you are not referring to. mad-mission-digest Friday, October 17 2003 Volume 07 : Number 261 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Ellen Degeneres Show ["Gillian Burnett" ] MM: Lincoln Center ["Murphy, Jim" ] MM: Lincoln Theatre ["Murphy, Jim" ] Re: MM: songwriter's tour--St. Paul, Mn. ["Sarah Fennell" ] Re: MM: kiss in time dvd offer [TPar102961@aol.com] MM: Where do Patty Griffin's songs come from? article ["Holly Booms" Subject: MM: Ellen Degeneres Show Hi.. At the St. Paul show on Tuesday night, the performers mentioned that they are going to be on the Ellen Degeneres Show. They didn't say when exactly, but I'm assuming it would be recorded while they are in California... so probably November 13-15. Not sure if the Ellen show is taped on the same day it is shown or not. Gillian - ---------- ~Go confidently in the direction of your dreams! ~~Live the life you've imagined. - -Thoreau _________________________________________________________________ Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:00:28 -0400 From: "Murphy, Jim" Subject: MM: Lincoln Center A 2nd Lincoln Center Songwriters Tour show went on sale today at 10:00. Tickets at the Box-office or thru www.ticketmaster.com Tickets are $72.50 each. The show is on 10/26/2003 at 3:00PM in the afternoon. Murph Also Last call for anyone for dinner reservations in New York before the Carnegie Show. We will be going to Kennedy's dinner at 7:30 Let me know today at jmphlbat@comcast.net Thanks Disclaimer: This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return email and delete this communication and destroy all copies. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:03:42 -0400 From: "Murphy, Jim" Subject: MM: Lincoln Theatre Sorry it is at the Lincoln Theatre not Center Murph Disclaimer: This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return email and delete this communication and destroy all copies. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:16:22 +0100 From: "Sarah Fennell" Subject: Re: MM: songwriter's tour--St. Paul, Mn. I wasn't there but my friend Chris was and I asked him to give Patty some M+M's for me, although I'm not sure why he didn't do it then, will ask him later. He also forgot to leave a note but nevermind, lol. I fly to LA in exactly two weeks. Why on earth can't they do a concert there?! Sarah >Subject: MM: songwriter's tour--St. Paul, Mn. >>7. At one point Shawn or Dar asked if anyone had any M&M's for Patty then >>Dar said > she got hit in the head with some the night before. No one had any and >I felt bad > that I didn't properly represent the list! Was anyone from the list >there? _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:46:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Zachary Scot Johnson Subject: MM: [s-r] Milwaukee Show Hi Everyone, Sorry to send this to both lists at once, but hopefully nobody cares. I was at the AMAZING singer/ songwriter show last night. I've been fortunate to see a lot of incredible people play live before and I have to say this was the best concert I've ever been to. It was so much fun and the three hours flew by faster than I could ever have imagined. There is something going on with the time continuim when the four of them are playing together. Anyways, I was in the fifth row, closest to Chapin, but the order was the usual right to left Chapin, Shawn, Patty and Dar. Chapin looked great with her new haircut and Shawn looked the best I've ever seen her with her longer, fuller hair. She looked incredibly thin and was wearing a typically unique outfit with a large necklace and high heeled shoes. She spent a lot of time during the show with her head looking straight down with her eyes closed, just absorbing the music. She was very funny, but I kind of wondered if she was all right up there--she didn't seem to be her usual self, but maybe she was just overwhelmed by the incredible talent she was playing with. Not to say that she didn't have fun or seemed pissed, she seemed to be having a good time for the most part. Patty on the other hand, seems to have come out of her shell quite a bit. She's speaking up more and more and I must admit her music were generally the highlights of the shows. The audience was filled with loud Patty fans and she got most of the loudest, most enthusiastic applause, which seemed to almost embaress her. Set lists were: Patty: Racing In The Street Moon's Gonna Follow Me Home Long Ride Home Top of The World (highlight of the evening, easily. amazingly gorgeous harmonies. this song was out of a dream) Truth #2 Shawn: Tell Me Why (the Neil Young cover) Shotgun The Facts About Jimmy Wichita Skyline Dead of the Night Don't know Dar and Chapin's sets exactly as they both played new ones. Shawn's Dead of the Night was a perfect closer with again great harmonies. They sang all together on most songs, which was a WONDERFUL suprise, from what I'd heard it was sporadic that they were singing together. It was more rare to have them NOT sing together on a song. The most unusual thing from the show was when Chapin was introducing a new song written about 9-11 called Grand Central Station and she was telling a beautiful and heartbreaking story about it, the fire alarm went off and loud beeping with lights going on and off, which was horribly timed with the content of the story. We were told we didn't have to evacuate and it was just a false alarm or something, but it shook Chapin up so much that she was crying quite uncontrollably and Shawn had to get up and hug her for a minute. I think it took a lot out of her to continue with the song and they alarms were turned off by the time she started it, but the lights were still going and about halfway through they turned back to normal, which was a surreal thing with the song being about what it was. Just an amazingly mistimed little thing. But after that it was back to laughter. Much of the content talking-wise was about the Playoffs and making fun of the Cubs fan who'd ruined the game the other night. We got continuous updates of the score until eventually learning that the Cubs had in fact lost. Chapin chanelled Julie Andrews doing 'Oklahoma' in a British accent which was hillarious. They did a lot of the same stuff they've done at other shows with the whole the View thing and Mail Order Brides From Hell. I gave them flowers after Dead of the Night and it was a thrill to hand them to each one. They seemed touched and I talked to them later and they were so nice about it. I did get M and M's to Patty, too. :) Wonder if she eats them...she gets a lot of them (I gave them the big party bag as I figured it's a long drive to Cleveland). Encores were the same...I Want it That Way and Mary. Amazing, amazing night. Couldn't say enough about it. I won't forget it anytime soon. Perfect women singing perfect harmony together for three hours. What could be more entertaining? Zach __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:17:15 -0700 (PDT) From: satrngrl Subject: MM: kiss in time dvd offer is the dvd that comes with the Kiss in Time a limited offer ? i am wanting to put this cd on my xmas list, except i don't want to miss out on the dvd. do all copies of the cd include the bonus dvd ? thanks __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:19:40 EDT From: TPar102961@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: kiss in time dvd offer the way it is packaged i would say all the cd's will have the dvd..it is packaged in a fold over cover with cd on one side and dvd on other.. you will love it...it is so great... teresa from fort worth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:09:49 -0500 From: "Holly Booms" Subject: MM: Where do Patty Griffin's songs come from? article ok, not sure if this was posted in 2002 as I wasn't yet on the list, but I just found this article and thought it was really interesting. Holly - ------------------------------------------------------------------- Songwriter Savant Where do Patty Griffin's songs come from? By Daniel Menaker Posted Wednesday, April 17, 2002, at 12:51 PM PT Songwriters often say that they don't know where their works come from, that they seem to come from outside themselves. In any given interview you might hear Bono, Alanis Morissette, Gillian Welch, or John Hiatt say so. Last week I talked to the accomplished and idiosyncratic country/pop/folk/whatever singer/songwriter Patty Griffinon the day before the release of her third CD, 1000 Kisses (ATO Records)and she was insistent on this very point: that there is something bigger than just herself involved in writing her songs. For a long time, these kinds of artistic disavowals struck me as coy, or merely attempts at modesty, or, conversely, grandiose claims of divine or spiritual inspiration. Or as an effort to inject interest and connectedness into a process that is often lonely, tedious, frustrating, heartbreaking, and unsuccessful. But recently, with 40 years' worth of listening and editing and writing experience perhaps reaching a critical mass, I've come to realize that most people who make this sort of artist-savant claim actually believe and mean exactly what they say. Griffin is a good case in point. Like many songwriters (her work has been covered by the likes of Emmylou Harris and the Dixie Chicks), she sometimes starts with the musicwith a phrase or a bit of melody, with a guitar riffand the words come later. But when they do, "they seem to come from nowhere," she says"they just sort of pop out." At other times, she simply sits and makes silly rhymes. "For 20 minutes or a half an hour I'll just make nonsense rhymes or just rhymes about my dog," she says. "And then serious ones begin to happen." Songwriting can be a physical discipline for her, as well. "Often I have to move my body in a certain way, like exercising, to begin to get into the right rhythm for writing a song." When she said this, she moved her shoulders around in a swimming kind of way, to show what she meant. (Onstage, when she isn't playing the guitar, Griffin's arms become anemonelike, tentacular, in a distinctive, wavy style; from far awayas when I saw her open for the Dixie Chicks at Radio City Music Hall a while back, and, before that, for Harris at the Beacon Theater in New Yorkthese movements look mannered, but closer up, they seemed entirely natural.) Her lyrics, which often repeat themselves in repeated musical phrases, are trancelike, as wellas if the author were in some way possessed. In "Mary," an anthemic three-chord song whose words appear to marry Jesus' mother and Mary Magdalene and Everywoman, from Griffin's second CD she sings: Mary, You're covered in roses You're covered in ashes You're covered in rain You're covered in babies, You're covered in slashes, You're covered in wilderness, You're covered in stains. And from the new CD, in "Be Careful," another three- or four-chorder, similarly poignant about the general lot of women: "Be careful how you bend me/ Be careful where you send me/ Careful how you end me ..." This chorus is preceded by haunting and even more incantational verses that are essentially lists of women in different attitudes and situations ("All the girls on the telephone/ All the girls sitting all alone " etc.). It's not surprising that Griffin and many others like her honestly feel in the grip of something "beyond" themselves, feel "inspired" (a word whose root means "breathe in," as the oracle breathed in psychoactive fumes at Delphi), when they are writing music. These creative experiences have a long, grand tradition and literature. (Plato, an early proponent of this idea, says that "all good poets, epic as well as lyric, composed their beautiful poems not by art but because they are inspired and possessed.") What did come as something of a surprise to me in our conversation was the vehemence of Griffin's resistance to the possibility that she and she alone is responsible for her music. When I said I thought that "inspiration" might actually not be anything mystical but just the unconscious, creative right brain delivering artifacts to the conscious left hemisphere, she not only disagreed but seemed upset about the notion. "There has be something more than that," she said. "The mystery is beyond that. The fact that you're writing about experiences you've never had shows that. I mean, sometimes the whole room alters when I'm writing a song." Part of Griffin's unwillingness to take full authorial credit for her work may have to do with the fact that she appears to be a truly self-effacing person, and she has known hard times: a bad marriage, six years of waitressing at Pizzeria Uno in Boston, classic record-industry horror stories. She is one of seven children, was born in Old Town, Maine, and is from a family that has had to work hard for a living. She has lived and feels keenly the lot of the marginal, especially working-class women and outcasts of various kinds. Her songs reflect often these concerns: "Tony," about a gay boy in high school "with breasts like a girl" who commits suicide; "Making Pies," on the new CD, about a bakery worker who does the same tedious job every day in order to make a living; the quasi-feminist songs "Mary" and "Be Careful"; Bruce Springsteen's "Stolen Car"; "Chief," on the new CD, about a nonfunctional Native American Army vet; etc. When she talks about these songs, it's clear that she wants them to express, in their lyrical way, the suffering associated with broad social problems. She says, for example: "There's an imbalance when if a woman goes out for a walk at 3 in the morning and something happens to her it was somehow her fault, and with a man that's not true." So it makes sense that she would believe so passionately that she is somehow channeling these elegiac, quasi-protest songs. She needs to believe that she is being spoken through, and may fear that taking the creditbeing a musical auteurwill undermine what she sees as a sort of mission. In a limited way, she's wrong, as every other artist and Plato are when they assert that the human artist is the instrument of some greater force. Unless the person involved is one of the many plagiarists at large these days, he and he alone made the work. But in a broader way she's quite right. The brain is, from one way of looking at it, the receptaclethe vesselfor all kinds of information, data, stimuli from the outside world, and, often without any intellectual plan, the mind of the artist will synthesize and structure and give emotional depth to some portion of these stimuli, will chew them up, and spit out art. In that way the artist is an instrument after allan instrument played by the inchoate world around him. ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V7 #261 *********************************