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Edit out anything you are not referring to. mad-mission-digest Thursday, March 20 2003 Volume 07 : Number 088 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: NPC: Toadies ["Willms, Gregory J." ] MM: Sorry and Sad... [MH ] MM: Peace [Maureen Scott ] MM: RE: Peace ["April Fritz" ] Re: MM: Sorry and Sad... [JAMES MURPHY ] Re: MM: RE: Peace [] MM: Peace [Maureen Scott ] MM: Peace [] Re: MM: Sorry and Sad... ["Roy Larsen" ] RE: MM: Sorry and Sad... ["Matt Fotter" ] Re: MM: Sorry and Sad... ["Sean and Rebecca" ] Re: MM: RE: Peace ["Sean and Rebecca" ] MM: re: Peace [TimSharp63@aol.com] MM: "Spinal Tap" for folkies ["Luca, Joseph" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:57:05 -0500 From: "Willms, Gregory J." Subject: MM: NPC: Toadies I realize I'm a little behind the times on this one, but has anyone heard the song "Tyler" by Toadies? Yikes, talk about disturbing... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:09:56 -0800 From: MH Subject: MM: Sorry and Sad... "No one wins, it's a war of man..." ---Neil Young Today's required listening: Shells and White Dove by Patty G, War of Man by Mr. Young and Machine Gun by Jimi H should bring the picture into sharp focus. Laters~ MH in LA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 12:04:46 -0500 From: Maureen Scott Subject: MM: Peace Nicely said by Nanci Griffith Maureen - -------------------------------------------- To all my fans, As many of you know, my ex-husband is a Vietnam Veteran. What you may not know is that almost every one of the male members in my family, with the exception of my father whose age fell between wars, has served in the military at one time or another. As a matter of personal belief, I have maintained a stance as a Pacifist since my teenage years. An individual can not be a Vegetarian just between meals, and I can not be a Pacifist just between wars. I am against any war, anywhere, anytime. My wisdom may not be yours, and my life choice may not be yours. I believe in Ghandi, who soldiered a nonviolent revolution of Independence through the making of salt from the sea within the twentieth century. I believe in Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., who led us all, in the later part of that century to the light, through Ghandi's teachings. And I believe that nonviolence is a viable possibility for all humanity, and is the only hope for the dream of the future for all our children. I am Catholic by faith, and I am Buddhist in belief that this life is all-inclusive, and no one is left out, and no one is an infidel. Having said this, it is not and has never been my intention to deny support to our troops out there on the line. My support, prayers and hope will always lie with our men and women out there in Khaki, and with all of the civilians upon this Big Blue Ball. I am, and will continue to stand here as a patriotic American. With prayers for peace, someday, - - Nanci Griffith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:55:30 -0800 From: "April Fritz" Subject: MM: RE: Peace Is this somehow music related? It seems to me a clever ploy to express an embarrassingly naove opinion. Lucky you and she have people out there who can defend your right to free speech while you sit at home and criticize them. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Scott Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 9:05 AM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: Peace Nicely said by Nanci Griffith Maureen - -------------------------------------------- To all my fans, As many of you know, my ex-husband is a Vietnam Veteran. What you may not know is that almost every one of the male members in my family, with the exception of my father whose age fell between wars, has served in the military at one time or another. As a matter of personal belief, I have maintained a stance as a Pacifist since my teenage years. An individual can not be a Vegetarian just between meals, and I can not be a Pacifist just between wars. I am against any war, anywhere, anytime. My wisdom may not be yours, and my life choice may not be yours. I believe in Ghandi, who soldiered a nonviolent revolution of Independence through the making of salt from the sea within the twentieth century. I believe in Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., who led us all, in the later part of that century to the light, through Ghandi's teachings. And I believe that nonviolence is a viable possibility for all humanity, and is the only hope for the dream of the future for all our children. I am Catholic by faith, and I am Buddhist in belief that this life is all-inclusive, and no one is left out, and no one is an infidel. Having said this, it is not and has never been my intention to deny support to our troops out there on the line. My support, prayers and hope will always lie with our men and women out there in Khaki, and with all of the civilians upon this Big Blue Ball. I am, and will continue to stand here as a patriotic American. With prayers for peace, someday, - - Nanci Griffith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 13:14:49 -0500 From: JAMES MURPHY Subject: Re: MM: Sorry and Sad... So to get it back on a music track, we already have 4 songs on the Baghdad top 10, I would like to add number 5 "Eve of Distruction" Barry McGwire Murph - ----- Original Message ----- From: MH Date: Thursday, March 20, 2003 12:09 pm Subject: MM: Sorry and Sad... > "No one wins, it's a war of man..." > ---Neil Young > > Today's required listening: Shells and White Dove by Patty G, War > of Man > by Mr. Young and Machine Gun by Jimi H should bring the picture > into > sharp focus. > > Laters~ > MH in LA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 13:15:43 -0500 (EST) From: Subject: Re: MM: RE: Peace Since you people can't stick to music, here's my take. Nanci Griffith is just one more loud mouth, yap, JO that thinks that no war is justified. They run around talking peace and love while the good people of Iraq get tortured, raped, murdered etc etc etc... They think if we just love everyone the world will heal itself. YIKES! GOD save us. How do you bring justice without war? Wish for it? Hold hands and sing? I hope our troops cut this fuckers throat live on Fox News. That would be too good for this prick. What we ought to do is free Iran while we're at it, then bomb the restaurant district in Paris back into the stone age. Oh yeah, Peace, EG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 13:06:16 -0500 From: Maureen Scott Subject: MM: Peace April, WOW! I don't know where you got that I may be criticizing our troops. Sometimes the government, but NEVER the troops. I also don't believe that the hope for peace is naive. What do we have without hope? Yes, it is music related. Nanci has a new song called Big Blue Ball. I have been listening to Nanci Griffith for a number of years and through a few wars. She frequently closes her shows thanking the men and women in the armed forces. "My support, prayers and hope will always lie with our men and women out there in Khaki, and with all of the civilians upon this Big Blue Ball." Sorry. I didn't think I'd be stirring the "war pot". I'm out. Maureen April Fritz wrote: Is this somehow music related? It seems to me a clever ploy to express an embarrassingly naove opinion. Lucky you and she have people out there who can defend your right to free speech while you sit at home and criticize them. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 13:47:55 -0500 (EST) From: Subject: MM: Peace Since you people can't stick to music, here's my take. Nanci Griffith is just one more loud mouth, yap, JO that thinks that no war is justified. They run around talking peace and love while the good people of Iraq get tortured, raped, murdered etc etc etc... They think if we just love everyone the world will heal itself. YIKES! GOD save us. How do you bring justice without war? Wish for it? Hold hands and sing? I hope our troops cut this fuckers throat live on Fox News. That would be too good for this prick. What we ought to do is free Iran while we're at it, then bomb the restaurant district in Paris back into the stone age. Oh yeah, Peace,EG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:03:27 -0800 From: "Roy Larsen" Subject: Re: MM: Sorry and Sad... ----Original Message Follows---- From: What we ought to do is free Iran while we're at it, then bomb the restaurant district in Paris back into the stone age. Oh yeah, Peace,EG Yikes! Here's another song for this list. Randy Newman's Polical Science. Boom goes London and boom Paree More room for you and more room for me And every city the whole world round Will just be another American town Oh, how peaceful it will be We'll set everybody free _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 14:18:51 -0500 From: "Matt Fotter" Subject: RE: MM: Sorry and Sad... > Yikes! Here's another song for this list. Randy Newman's Polical > Science. Hey - I finally get to quote Zappa on the list! Some juicy lines from Dumb All Over: Whoever we are Wherever we're from We shoulda noticed by now Our behavior is dumb And if our chances Expect to improve It's gonna take a lot more Than tryin' to remove The other race Or the other whatever From the face Of the planet altogether Nurds on the left Nurds on the right Religous fanatics On the air every night Sayin' the Bible Tells the story Makes the details Sound real gory 'Bout what to do If the geeks over there Don't believe in the book We got over here You can't run a country By a book of religion Not by a heap Or a lump or a smidgeon Of foolish rules Of ancient date Designed to make You all feel great While you fold, spindle And mutilate Those unbelievers From a neighboring state TO ARMS! TO ARMS! Hooray! That's great Two legs ain't bad Unless there's a crate They ship the parts To mama in For souvenirs: two ears *(Get Down!)* Not his, not hers, *(but what the hey?)* The Good Book says: *("It gotta be that way!")* But their book says: *"REVENGE THE CRUSADES... With whips 'n chains 'N hand grenades..."* TWO ARMS? TWO ARMS? Have another and another Our God says: *"There ain't no other!"* Our God says *"It's all okay!"* Our God says *"This is the way!"* It says in the book: *"Burn 'n destroy...* *'N repent, 'n redeem* *'N revenge, 'n deploy* *'N rumble thee forth* *To the land of the unbelieving scum on the other side* *'Cause they don't go for what's in the book* *'N that makes 'em BAD* *So verily we must choppeth them up* *And stompeth them down* *Or rent a nice French bomb* *To poof them out of existance *While leaving their real estate just where we need it* *To use again* *For temples in which to praise OUR GOD* *("Cause he can really take care of business!")* - -- matt@fotter.com Tact is the ability to tell a man he has an open mind when he has a hole in his head. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:21:04 -0800 (PST) From: "Sean and Rebecca" Subject: Re: MM: Sorry and Sad... Still Haven't gotten around to un-subbing so here is the track list for a recent War sampler I made and distributed a few of my pals: Kinky Sex Makes the World Go Round  Dead Kennedys Masters of War  Bob Dylan Some Mothers Son  the Kinks Unknown Soldier  the Doors War Ensemble  Slayer War Pigs  Black Sabbath Whats Going On?  Marvin Gaye War?  Bruce Springsteen & the E Street Band (or Edwin Starr) Captain Kennedy  Neil Young Sam Stone  John Prine (Whats So Funny Bout) Peace, Love & Understanding  Elvis Costello & the Attractions (or Nick Lowe) Holy War  Matthew Sweet Know Your Enemy  Rage Against the Machine Machine Gun  Jimi Hendrix & the Band of Gypsies English Civil War  the Clash Life During Wartime - Talking Heads On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, JAMES MURPHY wrote: > > So to get it back on a music track, we already have 4 > songs on the > Baghdad top 10, I would like to add number 5 > > "Eve of Distruction" Barry McGwire > > Murph > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: MH > Date: Thursday, March 20, 2003 12:09 pm > Subject: MM: Sorry and Sad... > > > "No one wins, it's a war of man..." > > ---Neil Young > > > > Today's required listening: Shells and White Dove by > Patty G, War > > of Man > > by Mr. Young and Machine Gun by Jimi H should bring > the picture > > into > > sharp focus. > > > > Laters~ > > MH in LA ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:22:51 -0800 (PST) From: "Sean and Rebecca" Subject: Re: MM: RE: Peace That's brilliant. The last time we "freed Iran" we put Saddam in power....I only hope we can improve global politics this time around. Sean On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, gjacques@nothinbut.net wrote: What we ought to do is free > Iran while we're at > it, then bomb the restaurant district in Paris back > into the stone age. > > > Oh yeah, Peace, > EG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 14:29:30 EST From: TimSharp63@aol.com Subject: MM: re: Peace I can see this conversation is going by way of that one last week.....and if it continues this way......... Pershaps I could suggest, "Your Silence I Will Always Admire For Its Being" by Michael McDermott Are you there Troy? Tim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 10:36:39 -0500 From: "Luca, Joseph" Subject: MM: "Spinal Tap" for folkies Howdy--- This article appeared in yesterday's NYT. I don't know when the film will be released... Ciao, Joe Christopher Guest, Plucking Strings for the Camera Again By ELVIS MITCHELL AUSTIN, TEX., March 16 - Folk music is a tough subject for a movie; many people cringe or change the channel when one of those folk reunion specials appears during a public television pledge week. But such considerations didn't slow the writer, director and actor Christopher Guest. His latest project, "A Mighty Wind," another of his loose, conversational, lifelike films ("I hate the word mockumentary," Mr. Guest said with a sigh, "that's not my word"), is set in the world of folkies and builds toward a reunion during a public television special. "Well, people could've said, 'I don't know anything about dogs' before they went to 'Best in Show,' " Mr. Guest said, referring to his under-the-tent look at dog shows. "I don't think that's important. What is important is if it's funny. I hope the songs say something engaging about the characters in the context of the movie. That same way the songs in 'This Is Spinal Tap' were about those guys. I hope people don't think I sit at home all day listening to heavy metal. You make the songs the best you can, make them in the context of all that. The lyrics are odd, obviously. But if you hear them out of context, you think, 'That's a real group.' " Mr. Guest, 55, talked about his work in an interview here on March 12, a few hours before a showing of "A Mighty Wind" during the film festival part of Austin's South by Southwest Conference. (The picture lent itself to the conference's concentration on acoustic musicianship.) The crucial element in all of his behind-the-scenes comedies - "Waiting for Guffman," "Best in Show" and now "A Mighty Wind" - is that he allows the characters their dignity, and understands how important it is to all of them. Despite the comedy that comes from people with such a desperate need to reveal themselves verbally that they will say anything, Mr. Guest respects them. "It's why I don't - can't - watch reality TV," he said, wincing. "It all seems to be about suffering and embarrassment." He also refuses to subject his creations to the lithe cruelty that was the hallmark of the National Lampoon stage shows in which he plied his trade as a young man. "We've really worked at making this movie inclusive," he said. "It's not about humiliating the audience or the characters. There was a sense when I was at the Lampoon, and I was one of the younger people there, of `Boy, are we hot stuff.' It was a very heady experience to be paid during the early 70's in New York for doing what we loved and having our own recording studio. That was a very youthful state of mind, though, an arrogance that comes out of youth." "This movie, I hope, is not arrogant because it's not about that, at this point in my life," he continued. "It's not a considered thing, not that `Well, if you're smart enough and hip enough, maybe you can keep up' message to the audience. I hope it doesn't have that edge to it, and people find there's something they like in the show." It's easy to overlook Mr. Guest's deference toward his characters because the pictures he has directed are such detailed, multilayered fictions. He has that same respect for conversation; he treats words like valuable resources, material not to be wasted. This quality seems to contradict the characters and material he has created for his movies, which are filled with people tripping over their own tongues to say the right thing. A good illustration would be Nigel Tufnel, the blankly pompous guitarist of "This Is Spinal Tap," the classic lifelike parody of metalhead rock musicians that Mr. Guest created with Michael McKean, Harry Shearer and Rob Reiner. (Mr. McKean and Mr. Shearer have rejoined him for "A Mighty Wind.") Although the comedy of his films grows out of the characters' inability to articulate their thoughts and feelings precisely, Mr. Guest has no such problem. He is specific about what makes his films play, despite their improvisatory air. He brings up an instance from "A Mighty Wind": "I went to school with Arlo Guthrie. And I was the mandolin player in his band. And he called me and he said, `Can I be in this movie?' And I had to say no. It was hard because he's a very sweet guy, but we had to create our own world here. Because if real people are in the movie, the audience is pulled out of the picture. It was the same way in `Tap.' No one else is mentioned in the movie; it's our own universe. "And the same is true for this movie. I know a lot of people who would've been cool for it. Loudon Wainwright, who's a great musician and a really good actor and a friend of mine, wanted to do it. Ry Cooder said, `Can I just be the doorman at the hotel?' Here's this guy who's my idol, and he wants to just stand there? It's not going to be fun or interesting for him, and it's really not going to work for the movie, either. He did get to play with us onstage in L.A., though." Mr. Guest, along with Mr. McKean and Mr. Shearer, make up one of the groups assembled for the film's folk extravaganza, appearing as a trio called the Folksmen. "Eat at Joe's," the band's flat-footed attempt at drollery, was first performed in a 1984 sketch on "Saturday Night Live" during Mr. Shearer's second stint as a cast member. "I guess that means it's now old enough to be a real folk song," Mr. Guest said. "What's funny is when we did a few shows in Los Angeles, the first night we got our laughs. And the second night, a friend of mine overheard someone saying, `Yeah, I remember those guys.' We were booed in San Francisco when we opened for ourselves at a Spinal Tap show. Until we did our version of the Rolling Stones' `Start Me Up,' and then people went, `Oh, it's them.' " The Folksmen take themselves very seriously, giving Mr. Guest the opportunity to examine the dangers of pride. He uses the hard-earned knowledge he picked up while laboring in the real folk world, where ingrained superiority made some of the worker ants think they were better than others in the hill. "I was a bluegrass player early on," he recalled, "and we looked down on all other kinds of folk music. And that was because you had to be able to technically play, and play fast, for bluegrass. The harmonies were quite complex. So we looked down on the other music. But I'm sure that was going on all around." An understanding of artists who regard their craft with entirely too much self-importance is part of Mr. Guest's makeup. "I went to what was then the most serious acting school in the United States," he said with a chuckle, referring to his days at the Tisch School of the Arts at New York University. "All the teachers had come from Carnegie-Mellon and Juilliard to form what was this Mecca of pretension. It was just flowing with this arty thing, from 9 in the morning until 5 at night." "Michael and I were in class there," he recalled, "and we stuck out because they don't like people with a sense of humor in a place like that. It was brutal. But I got a show while I was there, the Jules Feiffer play `Little Murders,' with Alan Arkin directing. And the teachers said: `You can't do that. You're not ready to work. It'll take five years before you're ready.' I said: `But I auditioned for the show. I thought that was the point of the school.' And no one from the school came to the show." The ridicule of that foolish rigidity in his films does not mean that Mr. Guest is flippant or disdainful of hard work. All of the music in "A Mighty Wind" was performed live by the actors during the shooting; there was no lip synching to prerecorded tracks. Several of his cast members had never played these instruments before: Catherine O'Hara, Parker Posey and John Michael Higgins, who have appeared in previous Guest films. And using the instruments gave all of the actors, including Mr. Guest, a way to approach their characters. "Having that mandolin was important," he said. "You play the instrument the way that guy would play. That makes it even more fun, because you have more choices as an actor." "There was something about these characters that had more resonance," he added. "It's harder to let them go. I'd like to write a stage musical, using these characters for a stage show. Because if I could channel what we've done with them for a stage show, that would be pretty exciting. That perspective has never been seen before, and these actors could pull it off. I don't think musical comedy has been that sophisticated over the years. The form, as it now exists, doesn't interest me. I haven't even mentioned it to the cast yet, because I'm still mulling it over. But that's the kind of challenge I'd like." http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/19/movies/19GUES.html ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V7 #88 ********************************