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Edit out anything you are not referring to. mad-mission-digest Friday, March 14 2003 Volume 07 : Number 079 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? [Suomotu@aol.com] Re: MM: RE: Re: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? ["Sara] MM: RE: NPC: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? [Themadta] Re: MM: RE: NPC: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? [Mooo] MM: Why I like the discussion board ["Janet C. Jordan M.D." ] Re: MM: RE: NPC: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? [Kayc] MM: NPC Re: Dixie Chicks crap: Soldier song [FoxDugal@aol.com] RE: MM: RE: Re: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? ["Apr] [none] ["Lorri Deyer" ] [none] [] MM: Dixie Chicks being banned stuff ["Matthew Smith" ] MM: Mike losing control? Hummmmm! [] MM: Oh my GOD! [] RE: MM: Yeah. You. You know who you are... ["-cdb-" Subject: Re: MM: RE: Re: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? But April, isn't "banning" and "censorship" un-American, regardless of money is does or doesn't make?? - ------------------------------------------- "Sorrow has the sweetest little laugh, and Sorrow is a pretty good friend to have She said take off my blue dress And give it to happiness.... It matches the color of her eyes at midnight." -- Tori Amos >From: "April Fritz" >To: "'Aaron J Adler'" , >Subject: MM: RE: Re: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? >Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:20:49 -0800 > >Aaron, Do you understand how radio makes its money? _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:52:30 -0500 From: Themadtaper@aol.com Subject: MM: RE: NPC: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? <> >Make love, not war. >Get down, make love. >Give peace a chance. >and all that ol' sheeit... >Sarah Here Here!!! Good 'old michigan logic, MAKE LOVE, GET DOWN!! OH YA!! ( those michiganders really know what there talking about, need to get me a michgan gal) david ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:00:00 EST From: Mooodeee@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: RE: NPC: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? How will this effect radio play, sales, etc...? Have you been following the career of Rosie O'Donnell the past couple years or so? She was a standup comedian famous for her loud mouth, but when she got famous in a homely homemaker way with her daytime baby-happy-housewife tv show, people for some reason held her to more conservative standards... but when she opened her mouth and that same old foul brash came out, people were disturbed. They forget that the loud mouth is what got her famous in the first place! I think in some ways, that can be said as true for Natalie. She's famous for speaking her mind... only now the trouble comes with the topic of being a political dissenter. It's interesting though because during the presidential election, demographic maps showed that metropolitan areas like NYC and LA voted astoundingly democratic while all the rural areas were resoundingly republican. One could make a case that the majority of "rednecks" voted for Bush... and that said "rednecks" and countryfolk like COUNTRY MUSIC more than cityfolk. Thus a pro-Bush pro-"ass-kickin' American" population that is the breadbasket of the country music demographic might take offense to Natalie's anti-war comments. The Chicks have a reputation for being fiscally conservative, so I wouldn't worry too much about them going broke anytime soon though. And with the right publicist, The Chicks could use this controversy to some advantage. Mostly, my bet is that radio station music directors and program directors would not want to ban them outright, because that becomes CENSORSHIP which is actionable... they would more likely spin them less without admitting any explanation. But ironically, to NOT play music from the best selling country music act of ALL TIME might hurt their Arbitron ratings far worse than the banning of the Chicks for political reasons could possibly help it! Believe me, the Arbitrons and advertisors is all the radio stations care about. Until that gets effected, or until major advertisors start pulling their funding in protest against the Chicks, nothing will change. If you start seeing that happen, then you might have cause for concern. But as for the song about the soldier on "Home" being perfectly timed for the war... that was a fluke!!! Perhaps it's not very known, but the Chicks recorded "Home" privately a couple of years ago out-of-pocket as a demo to be secretly shopped out to other record labels as a leverage tool in their renegotiations against/with Sony. They chose the song "Traveling Soldier" because they liked it and because Bruce Robison is extended family, not because they knew about or wanted to "cash in on" the war. Have any of you heard the story about Charlie Daniels and his pro-war rant email he sent out to everyone in his publicist's contact list? Included in that list was the private/personal email account of an employee of CMT. She replied to his rant from her personal email account at home about how she was personally offended by it, and so Charlie had her fired! Evidently, celebrities believe it is their public duty to be outspoken on the topic of this war, both for and against it... and perhaps the fact that so many people in America are as equally divided on the topic, that predicting how their political outspokenness will effect their careers perhaps really depends on who ends up being more right or wrong when history finally plays out. Just a few .02's for the jar... Mimi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:51:43 -0600 (Central Standard Time) From: "Janet C. Jordan M.D." Subject: MM: Why I like the discussion board Very interesting discussion! I call these Covey qualities (Seven Habits of Highly Effective People) but maybe they should be called Patty qualities. Intelligent Integrity-What I also find interesting/questionable about this, is that this little rant comes on the heels of the Chicks newest single (about a soldier going to war), which was written long ago. but is just now conveniently being released..?? I find that sort of attempt at a cheap round of applause pretty pathetic. Accountability This is one thing I hope a journalist has the "balls" to ask her about, because I would love to hear her attempt to talk her way out of that one. Responsible-I ask is that any debate on this topic be limited Not fooled by propaganda or some celebritys opinion-What I also despise, even though I'm not Bush's biggest fan, is how Bush is often cast in the role of evil despot, while Saddaam, one of our time's biggest human rights violators, is labeled the helpless victim who should be left alone. Go to the Amnesty International web site and read about Hussein and his history of torture and abuse. Where is the indignation about this from the same people who think Bush is the second coming of Hitler? And I know hypocrisy exists on all sides of this debate.... Expressive-gouge your eyes out with a fork spinal chord (instead of cord J) Caring/sensitive/funny-The more important issue here...how is your dog? Musically Savvy-I used to really like the Chicks but little by little, their stupid remarks about themselves and about music have made it hard for me to continue to support them. They really are so full of themselves. There is a particular quote that stuck with me about Landslide where they were patting themselves on the back for really making it their own; so different from the original. Hah! The only thing different is that they didn't have the amazing voice of Stevie Nicks (when she was young, that is) and they added a little Banjo. Almost every vocal riff is a direct copy of Nicks'. Proactive-That is really what we should focus on - being proactive - calling radio stations requesting that they play Patty - buying her CDs, giving support to the artists we care about. I feel this is a much better route than calling radio stations to ban artists that you may have a difference of opinion with. My comments: Am I the only one who remembers Jane Fonda? She crossed the line, endangering our soldiers in Vietnam and simultaneously kept me skinny through the late 70s with her exercise program. I love Sheryl Crow, but she lost me on her War is a bad Karma comment. Natalie- Maybe the energies going to her beautiful voice, were stolen from her intelligence neurons Patty Griffin has it all.Florida must have been the more intelligent choice than college. Janet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:53:02 -0600 (Central Standard Time) From: "Janet C. Jordan M.D." Subject: MM: addendum This goes in the humor category... If I ever need a pot stirred , I'm calling on Dave ! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:15:04 -0500 From: Kaycee973@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: RE: NPC: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? AMEN! well put mike. kim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:27:50 EST From: FoxDugal@aol.com Subject: MM: NPC Re: Dixie Chicks crap: Soldier song I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet, since I delete most of these silly posts, but you can probably pin that one on the record company. I doubt she had anything to do with releasing it as a single. Everyone just needs some peace, love, and Ani Difranco (Evolve is amazing). Russ > the Chicks newest single (about a soldier going to > war), which was written long ago.. but is just now conveniently being > released..?? Excuse me, but am I the only one that finds it extremely > irritating for her to be capitalizing (big time $$$) on the fact that we > ARE > about to go to war, yet at the same time she's ashamed to be from the same > state where the U.S. president is from? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:38:18 -0800 From: "April Fritz" Subject: RE: MM: RE: Re: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? Is anyone actually "banning" or censoring? I don't think so. I think this was just lazy use of the English language. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Sarah Stanley Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:46 AM To: Mad-Mission@smoe.org Subject: Re: MM: RE: Re: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? But April, isn't "banning" and "censorship" un-American, regardless of money is does or doesn't make?? - ------------------------------------------- "Sorrow has the sweetest little laugh, and Sorrow is a pretty good friend to have She said take off my blue dress And give it to happiness.... It matches the color of her eyes at midnight." -- Tori Amos >From: "April Fritz" >To: "'Aaron J Adler'" , >Subject: MM: RE: Re: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? >Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:20:49 -0800 > >Aaron, Do you understand how radio makes its money? _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:54:24 -0800 From: "Lorri Deyer" Subject: [none] GOOD FOR HER!!!!! And not because I'm against going to war with Iraq but because she's an artist and has a right to express herself. If she sang those same words in a song, then it would be ok for her to share those feelings overseas? Come on--she's entitled to her opinion and doing it with fans that love her. And just because she's embarassed by Bush's gung-ho attitude does not mean she doesn't also support the soldiers who are willing to fight. It's not their fault. A song about a soldier going to war is no contradictory offense to me. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:15:19 -0500 (EST) From: Subject: [none] "Bush's gung-ho attitude" What you want him to jerk off the French for another month. Any good Frenchman would have cum by now. > GOOD FOR HER!!!!! And not because I'm against going to war with Iraq > but because she's an artist and has a right to express herself. If she > sang those same words in a song, then it would be ok for her to share > those feelings overseas? Come on--she's entitled to her opinion and > doing it with fans that love her. And just because she's embarassed by > Bush's gung-ho attitude does not mean she doesn't also support the > soldiers who are willing to fight. It's not their fault. A song about > a soldier going to war is no contradictory offense to me. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:22:00 -0000 From: "Matthew Smith" Subject: MM: Dixie Chicks being banned stuff I seem to remember Patty, while on tour of the UK, making it clear she didn't vote for Dubya, as is her, and Natalie's right. It is also yours to choose to by their CDs and concert tickets. It seems that the only celebrities coming out in favour of war are inbred, balls for brains hillbilles like Toby Keith EM PS: Burma. (Just exercising my right to free speech, just like everybody west of the pond!) Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 01:23:19 -0600 (Central Standard Time) From: "Janet C. Jordan M.D." Subject: MM: Sorry Sorry my format came out so screwy but I used word for bullet points and I guess that doesn't work. Nobody is "for War". That is like being "for abortion" . And Gary......you are a hoot! You must be the one they call evil...... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:56:32 -0500 (EST) From: Subject: MM: Mike losing control? Hummmmm! Mike you liberal Yahoo, are you going to toss these idiots or what? A suggestion. Let these idiots rant like rock stars for a day or two. Let them bad mouth the country, instead of the people that deserve it, namely everyone except the USA. Then next week, after we win the war in about two days and expose this JO in Iraq for what he is, (well expose him to those to stupid to see it up front) I get two days to say I told you so to these ass wipes. I think this is a fair and equitable solution to your not being able to control these wanna be peace niks (Youre 35 years too late by the way) and allow the rest of us who are keeping our feelings about the W word off the board. Gary PS>>>It has been nice knowing everyoneLMAO! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:03:11 -0500 (EST) From: Subject: MM: Oh my GOD! I just heard that two buildings have been missing for about two years, right in the middle of New York!!! Does anyone have any idea who could be responsible. Probably our rotten President. LOL!! What a bunch of yahoos! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:09:42 -0500 (EST) From: "-cdb-" Subject: RE: MM: Yeah. You. You know who you are... The word 'to' is a preposition that means (among many useable definitions): in a direction toward, reaching as far as, to the extent of, etc. The word 'too' is an adverb that means: as well, in addition, or extremely. (Just thought it might serve as useful information to some of you...) Other words that deserve to be used and spelled correctly are as follows: Their They're There Your You're It's Its Here Hear Listen Democracy Freedom Justice The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:15:42 -0500 From: "Lisa Zwick" Subject: Re: MM: Yeah. You. You know who you are... lol. I wasn't gonna say anything in this discussion. But I think it's pretty pathetic with everything that's been said all you can do is correct someone's typo. If you've never had a single typo, then maybe you should lead us through this upcoming war, because you must be God. - -Lisa - ---- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "-cdb-" To: Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 3:09 PM Subject: RE: MM: Yeah. You. You know who you are... > The word 'to' is a preposition that means (among many useable definitions): in a direction toward, reaching as far as, to the extent of, etc. > The word 'too' is an adverb that means: as well, in addition, or extremely. > (Just thought it might serve as useful information to some of you...) > > Other words that deserve to be used and spelled correctly are as follows: > Their > They're > There > Your > You're > It's > Its > Here > Hear > Listen > Democracy > Freedom > Justice > The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V7 #79 ********************************