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Edit out anything you are not referring to. mad-mission-digest Friday, March 14 2003 Volume 07 : Number 078 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: my dog [FlamingRed74@aol.com] RE: MM: NPC: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? ["April F] Re: MM: RE: NPC: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? [Hill] Re: MM: NPC: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? [Zachary ] Re: MM: RE: NPC: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? ["Sar] RE: MM: RE: NPC: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? ["Ap] MM: RE: NPC: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? ["Connell] MM: Re: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? [Aaron J Adler] Re: MM: RE: NPC: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? [Zach] MM: RE: Re: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? ["April Fr] MM: pot-stirring ["Don Henn" ] Re: MM: NPC: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? [>The more important issue here...how is your dog?>> Ha ha.. Yes, that IS important.. at least to me. Well, last week (my Dalmatian, my BABY) was diagnosed with 2 herniated discs in his neck. He's been having some troubles for a little while, but we thought it may be severe arthritis until he started having more serious troubles with his legs, etc.. Anyway.. an MRI showed 2 areas of concern, the main one being in his C-7/T-1 vertebrae where the spinal chord was actually pinched down to only 1/3 of its normal size. The doctors were actually amazed at how well he was doing for such a serious condition. Being that I'm already a Vet Tech, it was tough for me to take him out of state (& Leave him) for this procedure that only very specialized veterinary surgeons can do. Not only that, but as you can imagine this surgery is NOT cheap, and I just got over buying a house, having major car problems, etc.. so to say this is the worst time in my life to incur such a serious debt is an understatement. However, with this particular dog NOT doing the surgery was not even a question. The 3 hour long surgery was done on Tuesday, at which time the Dr. said it was very tedious, and one of the harder "Ventral slot" surgeries he's done. There was bone to drill through, ligament to remove, 2 discs to remove, etc.. so he wasn't sure how Blackjack would respond. Well, thankfully I have a tough dog! TWO hours later he was up in his run, wagging his tail. Amazing! So.. yesterday I got to go pick him up a day earlier than expected. The Dr. was pretty amazed at how quickly he bounced back, and even I was amazed at how well he was doing only 48 hours after such a major surgery! So.. the next few days is just kind of a waiting game to see if he'll continue to get better, or if he'll maybe be a bit painful due to all the trauma to his neck. So far, so good. :-) That was the first time in his 9 year life that he ever had to stay overnight away from either my house, or my mom's house.. & also the first time I've ever been home without him for 9 years! He was giving kisses to the staff right after coming out of anesthesia.. LOL. I'm really proud of him! He made it through this thing emotionally better than I did, I'm sure.. LOL Thanks for asking Maureen. :-) Dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:49:28 -0800 From: "April Fritz" Subject: RE: MM: NPC: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? AMEN!!! (Especially the part about uninformed politically correct views). I don't think they should be banned from radio but radios job is to sell advertising and if people will turn off the radio because the Dixie Chicks are on then it makes sense for them to stop playing them. I used to really like the Chicks but little by little their stupid remarks about themselves and about music have made it hard for me to continue to support them. They really are so full of themselves. There is a particular quote that stuck with me about Landslide where they were patting themselves on the back for really making it their own; so different from the original. Hah! The only thing different is that they didn't have the amazing voice of Stevie Nicks (when she was young, that is) and they added a little Banjo. Almost every vocal riff is a direct copy of Nicks'. April ______________________________________________________________ I think people are just sick of celebrities thinking their fame and wealth also gives them divine right to a bully pulpit to spew their usually uninformed politically correct views. What I also despise, even though I'm not Bush's biggest fan, is how Bush is often cast in the role of evil despot, while Saddaam, one of our time's biggest human rights violaters, is labeled the helpless victim who should be left alone. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:50:22 -0800 (PST) From: Hillary Subject: Re: MM: RE: NPC: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? - --- "Pipkin, Heather D." wrote: > I for one will still buy their music. As an > American she has the right > express her opinion, it's the whole point of > FREEDOM. I completely agree! We are allowed to express our opinions, celebrities should be allowed to also. I think it is completely silly for the radio station to consider a ban - it only promotes intolerance to a diversity of opinions. >Meanwhile, amazing artists like > Patty get hardly any > radio play because stations are to busy repeating > the same songs over and > over and over. That is the real tragedy...we should > be focusing on that > issue. I for one listen to CD's instead of the > radio. That is really what we should focus on - being proactive - calling radio stations requesting that they play Patty - buying her CDs, giving support to the artists we care about. I feel this is a much better route than calling radio stations to ban artists that you may have a difference of opinion with. Okay, I'm off my soap box, thanks for listening. Hillary Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:57:41 -0800 (PST) From: Zachary Scot Johnson Subject: Re: MM: NPC: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? Hey guys, I only have a few things to say on this subject. First of all, I love the Dixie Chicks and I will certainly not stop listening or supporting them because of their comment. Political agendas and wars get people riled up. Whether or not that excuses Natalie for saying what she said, I don't know, but it should be taken into account. I also think that while this may be an emotional issue right now, it is pretty meaningless in the scheme of things and happens quite often. I think actress Jessica Lange was in trouble just a couple of weeks ago for pretty much the exact same thing--slamming Bush while overseas. Natalie saying this, honestly doesn't bother me in the least, not just because I'm against Bush and the war as well, but because quite frankly who cares? Entertainers are entertainers. Let them get that cheap round of applause if they really need it that badly. They're not in politics and their comments will be forgotten soon. As far as the song goes, I'm a little amused by the idea that everyone thinks they would cash in on war. First of all, what war hasn't had a big peace song that becomes a kind of national anthem? I believe when the Gulf War was going on Bette Midler's "From A Distance" was huge. It's never going to change. And it's been one of my favorite songs (and probably my favorite non-Patty song) on the CD since it came out. So I think honestly it may be a little bit of both. It does tie in convienantly with what's going on, but it's also a wonderful song with a great story. Would we be criticizing an anti-war movie right now if it starred Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts? This is America, and right or wrong, commercialism knows no limits. And in America we also have freedom of speech. If you're really as emotionally invested in this issue as to stop listening to the Chicks because of one anti-war statement, I'm going to suggest you don't listen to interviews with any of your other favorite musical artists right now either, because right now just about everyone with a spotlight is using it for anti-war sentiments. And I think that's great. Zach Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:58:35 -0500 From: "Sarah Stanley" Subject: Re: MM: RE: NPC: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? >Meanwhile, amazing artists like Patty get hardly any >radio play because stations are to busy repeating the same songs over and >over and over. That is the real tragedy...we should be focusing on that >issue. I for one listen to CD's instead of the radio. amen. oh, and Support Local Radio! (101.9 WDET in Detroit!) :) Sarah - ------------------------------------------- "Sorrow has the sweetest little laugh, and Sorrow is a pretty good friend to have She said take off my blue dress And give it to happiness.... It matches the color of her eyes at midnight." -- Tori Amos _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:03:42 -0800 From: "April Fritz" Subject: RE: MM: RE: NPC: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? Yes, they are allowed to express their opinions and I am allowed to react. I do not think it is helpful right now for celebrities to go abroad and bad mouth our country and our president; especially because it was only for their own adulation. It's sickening. This is not a joke. There are people out there who hate America and hate freedom. These stupid celebrities are just playing into their hands. At the risk of entering into dangerous and forbidden territory here... I don't think that most people realize that the anti-war protests are being sponsored by the likes of The Workers World Party and its front A.N.S.W.E.R., and United for Peace and Justice. These groups are pro-Communist and anti-American. If one is worried about the Dixie Chicks and Sheryl Crow having the FREEDOM to speak then they should try and support America! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Hillary Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:50 AM To: 'Mad-Mission@smoe.org' Subject: Re: MM: RE: NPC: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? - --- "Pipkin, Heather D." wrote: > I for one will still buy their music. As an > American she has the right > express her opinion, it's the whole point of > FREEDOM. I completely agree! We are allowed to express our opinions, celebrities should be allowed to also. I think it is completely silly for the radio station to consider a ban - it only promotes intolerance to a diversity of opinions. >Meanwhile, amazing artists like > Patty get hardly any > radio play because stations are to busy repeating > the same songs over and > over and over. That is the real tragedy...we should > be focusing on that > issue. I for one listen to CD's instead of the > radio. That is really what we should focus on - being proactive - calling radio stations requesting that they play Patty - buying her CDs, giving support to the artists we care about. I feel this is a much better route than calling radio stations to ban artists that you may have a difference of opinion with. Okay, I'm off my soap box, thanks for listening. Hillary Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:14:55 -0500 From: "Connell, Michael P" Subject: MM: RE: NPC: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? > > I for one will still buy their music. As an > > American she has the right > > express her opinion, it's the whole point of > > FREEDOM. > I completely agree! We are allowed to express our > opinions, celebrities should be allowed to also This is not really the issue though. Celebrities are using their celebrity status to spiel their drivel. If they want to talk the issues with friends etc so be it, just as we do, but I do not think they should be doing it at their shows in front of a paying audience. They are there to do what they were paid to do, that is sing their songs and entertain. They should keep their damn opinilons to themselves on these issues when they are at work and that includes Ms Griffin. Period. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:17:06 -0800 From: Aaron J Adler Subject: MM: Re: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? I think people are getting a little off-topic here. The issue at hand is whether it's appropriate for the Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio because Natalie expressed her personal views. I, for one, am apalled at the notion that all Americans should blindly support the actions of our President or be punished. The President is supposed to represent the people, not vice-versa. Otherwise, that IS Communism, in the popular twisted sense of the word. And I agree with whomever said that people need to separate an artist's personal opinions from their music, ESPECIALLY when they don't even write their own songs. If people want to boycott the Chicks because they disagree with their politics, that is their choice. But it shouldn't be made for them by radio. Aaron ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:20:06 -0800 (PST) From: Zachary Scot Johnson Subject: Re: MM: RE: NPC: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? Hmm... - --- "Connell, Michael P" They are > there to do what they > were paid to do, that is sing their songs and > entertain. They should keep > their damn opinilons to themselves on these issues > when they are at work and > that includes Ms Griffin. Period. I'm hoping you never ever ever talk about war or any other political issue when you're at work at the risk of being called a hipocrite. I will support Dixie Chicks and god knows Patty whether or not they talk political while they're playing live. I just consider myself lucky to be able to see them and I respect their views, even if they differ from mine. Zach Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:20:49 -0800 From: "April Fritz" Subject: MM: RE: Re: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? Aaron, Do you understand how radio makes its money? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Aaron J Adler Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:17 AM To: Mad-Mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: Re: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? I think people are getting a little off-topic here. The issue at hand is whether it's appropriate for the Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio because Natalie expressed her personal views. I, for one, am apalled at the notion that all Americans should blindly support the actions of our President or be punished. The President is supposed to represent the people, not vice-versa. Otherwise, that IS Communism, in the popular twisted sense of the word. And I agree with whomever said that people need to separate an artist's personal opinions from their music, ESPECIALLY when they don't even write their own songs. If people want to boycott the Chicks because they disagree with their politics, that is their choice. But it shouldn't be made for them by radio. Aaron ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:38:20 -0500 From: "Don Henn" Subject: MM: pot-stirring Wow ! If I ever need a pot stirred , I'm calling on Dave ! Now the time has come There are things to realize. Chambers Brothers "Time Has Come Today" Don ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:38:45 -0500 (EST) From: Subject: Re: MM: NPC: Dixie Chicks to be banned from radio across U.S.?? I'm not going to start any sh*t on this subject because Mike has me on triple secret probation, but I can tell you I have been booed and hissed at three times over the last month, much to my great pleasure, for yelling things like "Shut up and sing or I want my money back!" at concerts. I have booed some of my favorites in the last couple of weeks, including John Gorka in a church in Middlebury Vermont a couple of weeks ago and just this week Raul Malo at the Tin Angel in Philly, when he insisted on letting everyone know how he felt about the "W" word. I got hissed at by the big mouthed yap's in Philly so I stood up and hissed back at them. LMFAO! I did it with this really wild, f you, look in my eye. Bottom line, the reason these people say this stuff at concerts is #1 because they believe it, which is their right, I guess? Even though my ticket did not say music and political rant by Raul Malo. And number two because the yast majoriety attending live music agree with them and they fell confortable spouting their uninformed nonsence. I, for one however, will continue to voice my opposition whenever I hear a person I paid to hear sing or play music start ranting about some political BS that we in the real world have to deal with. The worst offenders I ever heard are Ani Di "big mouth" Franco and Toshi "just plain Big" Reagan. Two of the biggest load mouth yaps everwhen it comes to this kind of stuff. All of course in my humble opinion. Evil Gary ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V7 #78 ********************************