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Edit out anything you are not referring to. mad-mission-digest Wednesday, February 26 2003 Volume 07 : Number 060 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: MM: New music /Sheryl Crow [Zachary Scot Johnson ] Re: MM: Dixie Chicks, TOTW Tour [dissident@mindspring.com] RE: MM: New music /Sheryl Crow ["Willms, Gregory J." ] RE: RE: MM: New music /Sheryl Crow [Ronni Heggen ] MM: RE: RE: FW: NPC: New and different/Old, introverted ["Matthew Smith" ] MM: Re: New music /Sheryl Crow ["Sean and Rebecca" Subject: RE: MM: New music /Sheryl Crow Hi all, I'm here to stick up for Sheryl Crow. I love her. While I don't see the comparisons to Patty, I don't know that anyone should ever be compared to Patty. But as for being dull or not being able to cull together a decent album, try checking out the songs "Home", "Weather Channel", "Safe and Sound", "Crash and Burn" to name just a very few from Sheryl's amazing song catalogue and try to tell me the woman's got no soul or skill or talent. Sheryl is not only a brilliant singer/ songwriter who's garnered the respect of everyone in the recording industry and the movie industry (I've heard a lot of movie stars talk highly of her and distinctly remember Meryl Streep calling her "a best friend" in an interview), and for God's sake Bob Dylan sent her one of his songs to record when he decided he thought she would be better at it then he would, and check out her concert in central park if you need a further look at the people who love her inside the recording industry. I find it especially ironic that you claim to not be able to stand her, but you have all of her albums. She's also a brilliant and effective spokesperson for a lot of very important and worthwhile causes. But no, she's dull. That makes sense. Zach ps...john, they're coming...so sorry, so so sorry. - --- Sean and Rebecca wrote: > No argument here. Except for a few songs, I can't > stand her. I think I have all of her albums, except > for the newest one, and from those , I'm not sure I > could cull together a decent album. Booooooring. > The > first single from her newest album, the one used in > a > half dozen commercials, was named "Sean's most hated > single of the year" last year....but then again, I'm > the guy who sets the list into a tizzy everytime I > mention that I hate Jewel, which I do. > > Sean Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:12:57 -0800 (PST) From: Ronni Heggen Subject: Re: MM: New music /Sheryl Crow I just have to say that I love both Ryan Adams and Sheryl Crow ( I really love her cover of Dylan's 'Mississippi'). And--this has been mentioned before but I'll say it again--I really love Miranda Lee Richards cd thehereeverafter or whatever the heck it's called--i never get tired of it. FlamingRed74@aol.com wrote:Actually, I Love Sheryl Crow.. but I DO find it slightly annoying that certain awards shows focus on a few artists, and seem to ignore the rest. It seems like every year some artists are nominated for a slew of awards, and some win almost all of them. Then only a few years later, you never hear from that artist/band again..?? How is it possible that one year EVERYTHING they do is vastly superior to everyone else, then suddenly they "suck" forever?? Are the voters simply following trends, or does this happen to nearly every artist who wins many awards?? Anyway.. Sheryl is not of the trendy, or "one year vastly superior, from then on sucking type". Every year she's nominated for many many Grammys. Whether you like her or not, that is a testament to her continued good songs, and continued support of her peers, which usually means she's doing a lot of things right. The only thing I hate with Sheryl's name attached is when people hear Patty Griffin for the 1st time & they say.. "She reminds me of Sheryl Crow". Or, "When I heard her I immediately thought.. that sounds like Sheryl Crow". What!?!? I love both of them, but for some reason find it insulting to have Patty labeled as "sounding like Sheryl Crow". I've heard it numerous times from friends who hear the FR albumn... and it's just strange because I hear no resemblance whatsoever, other than they're women singers who can play many different styles of music. There's my 2 cents. :-) Dave Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:13:43 -0500 (EST) From: dissident@mindspring.com Subject: Re: MM: Dixie Chicks, TOTW Tour > So I go to Yahoo a few minutes ago and see this advertisement for the Dixie Chicks upcoming tour. I couldn't believe what they are calling this thing, "Top of the World Tour". I know Patty has benefited $$ for the songs she has let them cover, but I would be mad as heck if the Chicks are using this name without first asking Patty's consent.> I think it's great. I mean, come on, Patty hardly invented the phrase "Top of the World." All it does is give more recognition of a great song that will eventually give more recognition to Patty. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:18:01 -0500 From: "Willms, Gregory J." Subject: RE: MM: New music /Sheryl Crow We've been over this issue on this list over and over again. I don't care how many people love her, it doesn't make me like her music. Remember, we're all sharing opinions here and everyone's is different. Billy Ray Cyrus is terrible. Can we all agree on that? Although rumor has it that he no longer has his trademark mullet. - -----Original Message----- From: Zachary Scot Johnson [mailto:lovenatalie_hatestarwars@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 12:09 PM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: RE: MM: New music /Sheryl Crow Hi all, I'm here to stick up for Sheryl Crow. I love her. While I don't see the comparisons to Patty, I don't know that anyone should ever be compared to Patty. But as for being dull or not being able to cull together a decent album, try checking out the songs "Home", "Weather Channel", "Safe and Sound", "Crash and Burn" to name just a very few from Sheryl's amazing song catalogue and try to tell me the woman's got no soul or skill or talent. Sheryl is not only a brilliant singer/ songwriter who's garnered the respect of everyone in the recording industry and the movie industry (I've heard a lot of movie stars talk highly of her and distinctly remember Meryl Streep calling her "a best friend" in an interview), and for God's sake Bob Dylan sent her one of his songs to record when he decided he thought she would be better at it then he would, and check out her concert in central park if you need a further look at the people who love her inside the recording industry. I find it especially ironic that you claim to not be able to stand her, but you have all of her albums. She's also a brilliant and effective spokesperson for a lot of very important and worthwhile causes. But no, she's dull. That makes sense. Zach ps...john, they're coming...so sorry, so so sorry. - --- Sean and Rebecca wrote: > No argument here. Except for a few songs, I can't > stand her. I think I have all of her albums, except > for the newest one, and from those , I'm not sure I > could cull together a decent album. Booooooring. > The > first single from her newest album, the one used in > a > half dozen commercials, was named "Sean's most hated > single of the year" last year....but then again, I'm > the guy who sets the list into a tizzy everytime I > mention that I hate Jewel, which I do. > > Sean Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:17:45 -0500 (EST) From: dissident@mindspring.com Subject: Re: RE: MM: New music /Sheryl Crow > No argument here. Except for a few songs, I can't stand her. I think I have all of her albums, except for the newest one, and from those , I'm not sure I could cull together a decent album. Booooooring. > Why do you buy all her albums if you can't stand her? Is this a recent epiphany? :-) I have to agree, though. I like Sheryl as a person (from the interviews I've seen, anyway), but just find it amazing that she's won all these awards. I usually find some catchy riffs here and there when she releases new stuff, and always listen to and watch the video the first few times it airs, but it leaves little lasting impact for me. I bought the first album, and that was all it took for me to tell that she would just be too mediocre for my tastes - a couple great songs, a lot of filler, that's how I viewed the first record. And personally, I thought she sounded terrible on the Grammy performance. The song sounded like a Beer commercial. I think if Patty had Sheryl's looks, she would have been famous long, long ago. Maybe. The public at large still might not have been able to accept some of those songs. (From someone who recognizes Jewel's talent, but despises her over-inflated ego with the burning white hot heat of a thousand suns). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 07:40:29 -0800 (PST) From: "Sean and Rebecca" Subject: Re: MM: Dixie Chicks, TOTW Tour My wife and I have played TOTW for a year or so in our open mic set, and have had to stop as people keep requesting "that Dixie Chicks song" and rather than explainign the history of the song, it's easier just to play a different Patty Griffin song. Sean On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, David T wrote: > > I'm imagining a scenario 3 years from now when someone > mentions Patty's song TOTW on the newly released > Silver Bell CD, and someone else replies, "oh, did she > get the inspiration for that song from the Dixie > Chicks?" ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:42:06 -0800 From: "Vickie Chenevey" Subject: Re: RE: MM: New music /Sheryl Crow <<<<>>> I have to agree with the Sheryl's Grammy performance, and I have to disagree about Patty having Sheryl's looks. Sheryl looked like a parody of Nancy Sinatra at the Grammy's. What was up with those false eyelashes and 4" heels? She could hardly open her eyes with that extra weight, and the only movement during the song was to bounce up and down a little bit, probably because she couldn't move on those shoes. Since I'm being shallow about looks instead of talent, I'll continue and say that Patty is very beautiful because she's unique and Sheryl looks more and more like every other female pop star. Patty displays passion when she sings, and Sheryl just stands there and strums her guitar. Boring. There are a few Sheryl songs I like; the rest are just mediocre. There isn't a Patty song I don't like. Only a bit biased, Victoria ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:58:24 -0600 From: "Brooke Saron" Subject: RE: RE: MM: New music /Sheryl Crow Hey, did anyone hear Faith Hill sing at the Grammy's? I'm not a Faith fan, but I was completely embarrassed for her. She sucked the big one. - -----Original Message----- From: Vickie Chenevey [mailto:vchenevey@socal.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 12:42 PM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: Re: RE: MM: New music /Sheryl Crow <<<<>>> I have to agree with the Sheryl's Grammy performance, and I have to disagree about Patty having Sheryl's looks. Sheryl looked like a parody of Nancy Sinatra at the Grammy's. What was up with those false eyelashes and 4" heels? She could hardly open her eyes with that extra weight, and the only movement during the song was to bounce up and down a little bit, probably because she couldn't move on those shoes. Since I'm being shallow about looks instead of talent, I'll continue and say that Patty is very beautiful because she's unique and Sheryl looks more and more like every other female pop star. Patty displays passion when she sings, and Sheryl just stands there and strums her guitar. Boring. There are a few Sheryl songs I like; the rest are just mediocre. There isn't a Patty song I don't like. Only a bit biased, Victoria ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:12:54 -0800 (PST) From: Ronni Heggen Subject: RE: RE: MM: New music /Sheryl Crow i have to agree--she sounded like she had a sore throat. I really like the original artists' version of that song better too. (Angie Aparo) Brooke Saron wrote:Hey, did anyone hear Faith Hill sing at the Grammy's? I'm not a Faith fan, but I was completely embarrassed for her. She sucked the big one. - -----Original Message----- From: Vickie Chenevey [mailto:vchenevey@socal.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 12:42 PM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: Re: RE: MM: New music /Sheryl Crow <<<>>> I have to agree with the Sheryl's Grammy performance, and I have to disagree about Patty having Sheryl's looks. Sheryl looked like a parody of Nancy Sinatra at the Grammy's. What was up with those false eyelashes and 4" heels? She could hardly open her eyes with that extra weight, and the only movement during the song was to bounce up and down a little bit, probably because she couldn't move on those shoes. Since I'm being shallow about looks instead of talent, I'll continue and say that Patty is very beautiful because she's unique and Sheryl looks more and more like every other female pop star. Patty displays passion when she sings, and Sheryl just stands there and strums her guitar. Boring. There are a few Sheryl songs I like; the rest are just mediocre. There isn't a Patty song I don't like. Only a bit biased, Victoria Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:38:23 -0000 From: "Matthew Smith" Subject: MM: RE: RE: FW: NPC: New and different/Old, introverted That's a very good euphemism "Creatively adventurous" Thanks EM - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Willms, Gregory J. Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 13:51 To: 'mantabirostrisuk@yahoo.co.uk'; Mad-Mission Subject: MM: RE: FW: NPC: New and different/Old, introverted Creatively adventurous and pretentious are not the same thing. I think the bands listed below have proven themselves to have enough talent to sufficiently dissolve any pretense that may have existed. I can't speak for any of these people personally, as they rarely turn up publicly, but I believe their music speaks for itself. For some completely unpretentious, mellowed-out, acoustic-stoner-surf-dude groove rock, check out Jack Johnson. Nothing fancy, but incredibly infectious. - -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Smith [mailto:mantabirostrisuk@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 8:24 AM To: Mad-Mission Subject: MM: FW: NPC: New and different/Old, introverted Logically, that must mean that Sigur Ros are pretentious gits, seeing as that is what Pink Floyd and Radiohead have in common! EM PS excuse me while I don my nomex suit! Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:46:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Sean and Rebecca" Subject: MM: Re: New music /Sheryl Crow Trust me. I've got thousands of CDs and it's not hard to find a few that I don't like...plus my wife has skeptical tastes. Sean On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, dissident@mindspring.com wrote: > Why do you buy all her albums if you can't stand her? > Is this a recent epiphany? :-) ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:59:18 -0500 From: Amanda4865@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: New music /Sheryl Crow In a message dated 2/26/2003 9:33:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, beccasean@peoplepc.com writes: > No argument here. Except for a few songs, I can't > stand her. I think I have all of her albums, except > for the newest one, and from those , I'm not sure I > could cull together a decent album. Booooooring. The > first single from her newest album, the one used in a > half dozen commercials, was named "Sean's most hated > single of the year" last year....but then again, I'm > the guy who sets the list into a tizzy everytime I > mention that I hate Jewel, which I do. > > Sean Oh, you mean the song that was drilled into my head and burrowed into my brain like a life-sucking parasite last summer until I wanted to open my own skull and dig the song out with a rusty grapefruit spoon? Yeah, I'm not crazy about Sheryl Crow, either. I don't care who loves her or what a great person she is, *I*, in *my opinion* (I hate having to state that, of *course* it's my opinion) find her voice grating and her music dull. As for the Grammys, they're the most irrelevant of all the big awards shows. Even Homer Simpson chucked out his. I think they should drastically cut down on the number of performances, and instead make all those overinflated popstars sit through award after award for 'Best New Age Instrumental Woodwind Album Cover Art.' Amanda ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V7 #60 ********************************