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Edit out anything you are not referring to. mad-mission-digest Wednesday, February 26 2003 Volume 07 : Number 059 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Sigur Ros, MMOH etc [adamk@zoom.co.uk] MM: Re: John Mayer, Grammys, etc. ["T. Kercheval" ] RE: MM: New music ["Willms, Gregory J." ] MM: RE: FW: NPC: New and different/Old, introverted ["Willms, Gregory J."] RE: MM: Ryan Adams ["Sean and Rebecca" ] RE: MM: New music /Sheryl Crow ["Sean and Rebecca" ] Re: MM: New music /Sheryl Crow [FlamingRed74@aol.com] Re: MM: Dixie Chicks, TOTW Tour [cacheman57@attbi.com] MM: Re: New music ["amber bass-patterson" ] Re: MM: Re: John Mayer, Grammys, etc. [cacheman57@attbi.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:38:19 +0000 From: adamk@zoom.co.uk Subject: MM: Sigur Ros, MMOH etc Just thought I'd stick my tuppence's worth in, here. I bought "Miss America" many moons ago -- it IS a great album, but it's no easy ride. The songs stutter, stagger, swagger and swoon. She has a habit, in the more "upbeat", "rock" numbers to grab a phrase and repeat it. But it is like nothing you'll ever hear, and the heartbreaking simplicity of "You Will Be Loved Again", and the sheer magic of her voice make it a definite must-have. Just don't expect Patty II. Sigur Ros: Well, i loved their previous album (can't remember the name, never could -- it's in Icelandic, which lived up to all the Pink Floyd instrumental comparisons, with a beautiful, epic, breathtaking feel to it. The new one ( ) - - -- yeah, I can remember that title -- just doesn't do it for me. It drifts along amiably, even beautifully, but just.....drifts. There are no peaks, there is no drama, there doesn't appear to be any structure. It's probably great in the background, but it doesn't hold a candle to the first. As for Mr. Adams: well, it's good to see some dissension. I posted my response privately, for fear of flaming, but will shout it out loud: I bought "Gold" after all the great reviews and namechecks, and I'm not in a hurry to buy another Ryan Adams album. Whitebread, whingey, anaemic anthems, a man who's obviously been working on his Jagger impersonation, and that cover art...Adams with gun, Adams with beautiful woman, lounging on bed. Pose, pure pose. Otherwise, I like a lot of the suggestions -- Dar Williams is one of my faves, but I'd recommend "End of the Summer". I found "Mortal City" too word-heavy and tune-light.Jonatha Brooke is also exceptional, and her live album is everything a live album should be: warm, intimate, moving. My suggestion, as always, is Eliza Gilkysson: Her "Hard Times in Babylon" is fantastic. well, that's my tuppence spent, adam k. - ------------------------------------------------ This mail sent through http://webmail.zoom.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 07:55:55 -0500 From: "T. Kercheval" Subject: MM: Re: John Mayer, Grammys, etc. > Hats off to John Mayer for admitting he doesn't deserve the Grammy he won. > Someone mentioned their local watering hole in characterizing his stage > presence and musical ability. I couldn't agree more, I've seen as good or > better at open mic nights. Yeah, what is it about this guy? Just the sight of him makes me question my pacifist nature. (Sorry, Mayer fans) What sickened me the most about the grammies was just all the usual bloated egos trotted out on stage. I mean, I really hope this war with Iraq does not materialize, but to hear that mind-numbed idiot Fred Durst get up there and say, "I think we are all in AGREEANCE...this war needs to go away as fast as possible"...ugh, it was just painful. Yeah, Durst, that would make a great, rousing speech at the U.N., nonexistent grammar and all. You're in the wrong business, buddy. Then there was Alicia Keyes. Anyone notice her awkward interaction with Cyndi Lauper? Another pompous "artiste" who had to make a simple act of giving an award to someone else all about THEM. She took the envelope before reading the name, then slowly walked around the stage, acting like she was doing Shakespeare in the Round or something, letting people know she would read the name when SHE was ready. It was funny when Lauper looked at her and said, a little sharply, "Come on!" So many of these people are so out of touch with reality and their own sense of importance is so insanely exaggerated. Thank God for that great Clash tribute at the end. And there were some other good performances, as well. But overall, yet another celebrity wank-fest. Patty's presence was really missed, at least by me. Was she even in attendance? www.thedissidents.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:23:57 -0000 From: "Matthew Smith" Subject: MM: FW: NPC: New and different/Old, introverted Logically, that must mean that Sigur Ros are pretentious gits, seeing as that is what Pink Floyd and Radiohead have in common! EM PS excuse me while I don my nomex suit! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Willms, Gregory J. Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 13:30 To: 'mad-mission@smoe.org' Subject: MM: NPC: New and different >A lot of people have been asking about new and/or different music to check >out. I'm not sure how many people will see my suggestions as credible after >my recent Ryan Adams/White Stripes/Wilco bashing, but hey, what the heck. >There's a group from Iceland whose latest album (it's officially untitled, >but commonly referred to as "()") is simply magical... Sigur Ros. They draw >a lot of comparisons to Radiohead and Pink Floyd, but I've never really >heard anything like them. I've found it to be truly moving and >life-altering music. Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:30:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Erin Duncan" Subject: MM: NPC: Music Suggestions Just wanted to offer a couple of suggestions that I haven't heard around the list yet: Doria Roberts--her live album is by far the most satisfying as it most closely captures how much fun she is at a show. She's not a folk-y singer/songwriter but is very talented with her guitar and has written a bunch of great songs. Sodajerk--local (Pittsburgh) alt.country band. See them live if you can, very fun shows! Brad Yoder--another local dude. Folk-y singer/songwriter, usually just him and his guitar but puts together a pretty rockin' band when he needs it. All of his disks are great. You can check all of these guys out at their websites... www.doriaroberts.com www.sodajerk.com www.bradyoder.com Enjoy! Erin The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:38:27 -0500 From: "Willms, Gregory J." Subject: RE: MM: New music Indeed. You can buy a live CD of his from his web site (www.jasonmraz.com). It's truly exceptional, but be warned, don't expect any sort of pretty packaging or colorful inserts. When I got it, it was literally a CD that someone burned on a PC somewhere stuck in one of those slimline cases. None of that will matter to you when you listen to the disc though. OK, all this Grammy talk got me thinking... I usually end up insulting people when this happens, so read on at your own risk. I know there are a lot of Sheryl Crow fans on this list, but 9 career Grammys and 5 more nominations this year? Am I the only one who finds her music dry, dull, and undeserving of this sort of recognition? - -----Original Message----- From: Aaron J Adler [mailto:aadler@juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 7:20 PM To: billycollier@hotmail.com Cc: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: Re: MM: New music > Check out Jason Mraz. > I'll second that. I've been seeing Jason perform for about 3 years now and he's incredible. His studio CD only represents about 1/10 of his full talent, so don't judge him by what you might be hearing on the radio. I've got A LOT of live recordings if anyone is interested and Jason is cool with taping/trading, so there are no worries about "profiting" unfairly. Aaron ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:51:09 -0500 From: "Willms, Gregory J." Subject: MM: RE: FW: NPC: New and different/Old, introverted Creatively adventurous and pretentious are not the same thing. I think the bands listed below have proven themselves to have enough talent to sufficiently dissolve any pretense that may have existed. I can't speak for any of these people personally, as they rarely turn up publicly, but I believe their music speaks for itself. For some completely unpretentious, mellowed-out, acoustic-stoner-surf-dude groove rock, check out Jack Johnson. Nothing fancy, but incredibly infectious. - -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Smith [mailto:mantabirostrisuk@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 8:24 AM To: Mad-Mission Subject: MM: FW: NPC: New and different/Old, introverted Logically, that must mean that Sigur Ros are pretentious gits, seeing as that is what Pink Floyd and Radiohead have in common! EM PS excuse me while I don my nomex suit! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 06:27:08 -0800 (PST) From: "Sean and Rebecca" Subject: RE: MM: Ryan Adams Whole-hearted agreement here. Bloodshot Records is a goldmine. I'd say that I own three fourths of the albums put out on Bloodshot, and there's not a bad one in the bunch (Heartbreaker included). Bobby Bare Jr, Robbie Fulks, Alejandro Escovedo, the Saides, Neko Case....the list goes on and on. Try www.bloodshotrecords.com Sean On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, "Dave Short" wrote: > If you're talking alt.country, just go through the > Bloodshot Records roster. > Don't forget Robbie Fulks for damn good songwriting, > playing and energy. > Not a great guitar teacher, but he doesn't have to > worry about that > anymore... ;) > > All in good fun, > Dave ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 06:33:46 -0800 (PST) From: "Sean and Rebecca" Subject: RE: MM: New music /Sheryl Crow No argument here. Except for a few songs, I can't stand her. I think I have all of her albums, except for the newest one, and from those , I'm not sure I could cull together a decent album. Booooooring. The first single from her newest album, the one used in a half dozen commercials, was named "Sean's most hated single of the year" last year....but then again, I'm the guy who sets the list into a tizzy everytime I mention that I hate Jewel, which I do. Sean On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, "Willms, Gregory J." wrote: > OK, all this Grammy talk got me thinking... I usually > end up insulting > people when this happens, so read on at your own risk. > I know there are a > lot of Sheryl Crow fans on this list, but 9 career > Grammys and 5 more > nominations this year? Am I the only one who finds her > music dry, dull, and > undeserving of this sort of recognition? ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 06:51:48 -0800 (PST) From: David T Subject: MM: Dixie Chicks, TOTW Tour So I go to Yahoo a few minutes ago and see this advertisement for the Dixie Chicks upcoming tour. I couldn't believe what they are calling this thing, "Top of the World Tour". I know Patty has benefited $$ for the songs she has let them cover, but I would be mad as heck if the Chicks are using this name without first asking Patty's consent. I'm imagining a scenario 3 years from now when someone mentions Patty's song TOTW on the newly released Silver Bell CD, and someone else replies, "oh, did she get the inspiration for that song from the Dixie Chicks?" DT Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:21:39 EST From: FlamingRed74@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: New music /Sheryl Crow Actually, I Love Sheryl Crow.. but I DO find it slightly annoying that certain awards shows focus on a few artists, and seem to ignore the rest. It seems like every year some artists are nominated for a slew of awards, and some win almost all of them. Then only a few years later, you never hear from that artist/band again..?? How is it possible that one year EVERYTHING they do is vastly superior to everyone else, then suddenly they "suck" forever?? Are the voters simply following trends, or does this happen to nearly every artist who wins many awards?? Anyway.. Sheryl is not of the trendy, or "one year vastly superior, from then on sucking type". Every year she's nominated for many many Grammys. Whether you like her or not, that is a testament to her continued good songs, and continued support of her peers, which usually means she's doing a lot of things right. The only thing I hate with Sheryl's name attached is when people hear Patty Griffin for the 1st time & they say.. "She reminds me of Sheryl Crow". Or, "When I heard her I immediately thought.. that sounds like Sheryl Crow". What!?!? I love both of them, but for some reason find it insulting to have Patty labeled as "sounding like Sheryl Crow". I've heard it numerous times from friends who hear the FR albumn... and it's just strange because I hear no resemblance whatsoever, other than they're women singers who can play many different styles of music. There's my 2 cents. :-) Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:32:23 +0000 From: cacheman57@attbi.com Subject: Re: MM: Dixie Chicks, TOTW Tour David, My intial reaction after reading your post was similar. But then I thought about it a bit more and see a brighter side. The more popular the Dixie Chicks get, the more popular Patty gets as people discover the origins of their songs. More importantly for Patty, the more songs they crank out of Pattys, i.e., a Live CD of the TOTW tour, means a ton of additional money for her! You have to remember....Patty made a conscious decision to sell the recording rights and gain the royalties from it when she signed off on doing so. Go Dixie Chicks...Go Patty! Russ > So I go to Yahoo a few minutes ago and see this > advertisement for the Dixie Chicks upcoming tour. I > couldn't believe what they are calling this thing, > "Top of the World Tour". I know Patty has benefited > $$ for the songs she has let them cover, but I would > be mad as heck if the Chicks are using this name > without first asking Patty's consent. > > I'm imagining a scenario 3 years from now when someone > mentions Patty's song TOTW on the newly released > Silver Bell CD, and someone else replies, "oh, did she > get the inspiration for that song from the Dixie > Chicks?" > > DT > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:54:20 -0600 From: "amber bass-patterson" Subject: MM: Re: New music ben kweller. amber "Through Movement We Find Health" The Nia Technique ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:39:14 +0000 From: cacheman57@attbi.com Subject: Re: MM: Re: John Mayer, Grammys, etc. I agree with EVERYTHING you commented on EXCEPT the John Mayer stuff. Albeit you did apologize to fans, the guy does not have his head up his butt like all the others. I like him and I would love to catch him at the next open mic! > > Hats off to John Mayer for admitting he doesn't deserve the Grammy he won. > > Someone mentioned their local watering hole in characterizing his stage > > presence and musical ability. I couldn't agree more, I've seen as good or > > better at open mic nights. > > Yeah, what is it about this guy? Just the sight of him makes me question my > pacifist nature. (Sorry, Mayer fans) > > What sickened me the most about the grammies was just all the usual bloated > egos trotted out on stage. I mean, I really hope this war with Iraq does not > materialize, but to hear that mind-numbed idiot Fred Durst get up there and > say, "I think we are all in AGREEANCE...this war needs to go away as fast as > possible"...ugh, it was just painful. Yeah, Durst, that would make a great, > rousing speech at the U.N., nonexistent grammar and all. You're in the wrong > business, buddy. > > Then there was Alicia Keyes. Anyone notice her awkward interaction with > Cyndi Lauper? Another pompous "artiste" who had to make a simple act of > giving an award to someone else all about THEM. She took the envelope before > reading the name, then slowly walked around the stage, acting like she was > doing Shakespeare in the Round or something, letting people know she would > read the name when SHE was ready. It was funny when Lauper looked at her and > said, a little sharply, "Come on!" > > So many of these people are so out of touch with reality and their own sense > of importance is so insanely exaggerated. > > Thank God for that great Clash tribute at the end. And there were some other > good performances, as well. But overall, yet another celebrity wank-fest. > Patty's presence was really missed, at least by me. Was she even in > attendance? > > www.thedissidents.com ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V7 #59 ********************************