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Edit out anything you are not referring to. mad-mission-digest Tuesday, February 25 2003 Volume 07 : Number 056 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: Re: Ryan Adams [Maureen Scott ] RE: MM: Ryan Adams ["Sean and Rebecca" ] MM: Re: Ryan Adams and the Summer of 69 ["Sean and Rebecca" ] Re: MM: NPC: New and different [Dave Short ] MM: Larkin Larkin Larkin [Dave Short ] MM: A MASTER WORK ["Stephen Leavitt" ] RE: MM: Ryan Adams ["Willms, Gregory J." ] MM: Re: MM White Stripes ["folkyboy" ] Re: MM: Larkin Larkin Larkin ["Roy Larsen" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:21:46 -0500 From: Maureen Scott Subject: Re: MM: Re: Ryan Adams I was also planning to mention Patty Larkin. I saw her last week and she was incredible. I do agree that lyrically she is not as good as (our) Patty, but what a wonderful guitar player. She has come a long way since the late 80s-early 90s when I was able to see her for $7. I would also recommend "A Gogo"(which I purchased just last week) and "Angels Running" and also "In the Square"- okay, probably everything else too! Maureen Roy Larsen wrote: > From: "F&L Garvey" > >> I'm looking for someone new to listen to. And once again, I keep >> coming back >> to Patty - which of course isn't a bad thing! But I need >> something!!!!!!! > > > I like Patty Larkin very much - but I don't think I've ever seen her > mentioned on this list. Lyrically, I don't think she's as good Patty > or Jonatha, but I think her music and expression are great. I'd > suggest the live album "A Gogo" as a sampler.... > > Roy > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 06:52:51 -0800 (PST) From: "Sean and Rebecca" Subject: RE: MM: Ryan Adams As far as Wilco's newest album, I suppose we will have to agree to disagree. I think it's a great album. Is it their best? Not in my opinion, but good nonetheless, and much better than 90% of the stuff put out today. As far as the White Stripes (and I really didn't want what could have been an informative debate on the state of pop music to devolve into defending bands, but here goes) is your problem with them, or the music? I don't understand people's preoccupation with things outside of the music presented. Who cares if they are pretentious? Of course they are. A blind mule could figure that one out, but the albums are consistently good. No they are not re-inventing the wheel, but here's a clue...Patty wasn't the first woman to pick up an acoustic guitar and strum folk songs either. Not everybody has to be "a creative genius" in order to be enjoybale. By the way, have you heard a WS album, or just the singles? I would consider them much more blues-based than garage rock. Sean On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, "Willms, Gregory J." wrote: I do consider Wilco to be a beneficiary of the "indie craze". The same goes for the White Stripes. I fail to see the talent. It's nothing new. It's a garage power trio minus a bass player. What's so great about a guy screaming and pounding on a guitar and a girl banging on the drums? ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:13:48 -0800 (PST) From: "Sean and Rebecca" Subject: MM: Re: Ryan Adams and the Summer of 69 By the way, Robbie Fulks has offered to refund anybody's ticket if Ryan Adams throws them out for requesting SUmmer of 69. Sean From: "folkyboy" I could not disagree more. My friend saw him at the ever famous Nashville show and he offered to pay for her ticket because she had to sit behind the asshole who thought it would be funny to hollar out Bryan Adams requests the whole show. ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:30:23 -0500 From: "Willms, Gregory J." Subject: MM: NPC: New and different A lot of people have been asking about new and/or different music to check out. I'm not sure how many people will see my suggestions as credible after my recent Ryan Adams/White Stripes/Wilco bashing, but hey, what the heck. There's a group from Iceland whose latest album (it's officially untitled, but commonly referred to as "()") is simply magical... Sigur Ros. They draw a lot of comparisons to Radiohead and Pink Floyd, but I've never really heard anything like them. I've found it to be truly moving and life-altering music. For something a little more closely related to Patty's style of music, maybe check out Jonatha Brooke. I've been on this list for a while and I don't recall ever seeing her name pop up, which really surprises me. She released a live album a few years ago that will knock your socks off. Another good album of hers is "Plumb" from when she was still with The Story. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:30:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Sean and Rebecca" Subject: Re: MM: NPC: New and different I'll second Gregory's recs, both of them...and even if you've never heard Sigur Ros, if you get the chance to see them live...do it. They are amazing...and benefiting form the "indie craze." The best rec I have ever gotten on this list was Joseph Arthur, so I'm passing that one along. Sean On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, "Willms, Gregory J." wrote: ...Sigur Ros. For something a little more closely related to Patty's style of music, maybe check out Jonatha Brooke. ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:03:01 -0500 From: "Booms, Holly" Subject: MM: RE: music suggestions Peter Mulvey (!!! great folk singer/songwriter...esp good are Ten Thousand Mornings & Trouble With Poets) Kasey Chambers (twangy without being Faith Hill/Shania Twain country) Dar Williams (her older stuff is better...Mortal City, Honesty Room, Out There Live) Gillian Welch (true bluegrass if you like that) Ani Difranco (modern fol rocker, excellent lyricist, plays with her vocals a lot) Voices On the Verge (Beth Amsel, Jess Klein, Erin McKeown, Rose Polenzani...all of which are good solo too...VOTV has one album out) Willie Porter (local, not sure how widespread his recordings are...I've seen him in concert but don't have any CDs) Lucinda Williams (grassroots folk rock) Blue Rodeo (a Canadian alt-country band) Sarah Harmer (another Canadian folk/rocker with great lyrics) I personally find Ryan Adams irritating, though I do like Whiskeytown better than his solo stuff. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:46:42 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Short Subject: Re: MM: NPC: New and different I also highly recommend Plumb, as well as 10-cent Wings (ok, Steady Pull is great too). Technically, Plumb was his first solo album after she and Jennifer Kimball parted ways, even though she used the "Story" name in the title of Plumb. Jennifer Kimball is another one folks might enjoy. Her album "Veering from the Wave" was well-done for a first solo effort. It does take some patience -- it has some unusual chord progressions/harmonies --- trademark Story stuff... And if you like poetic to avant garde, all I have to say in Jane Siberry. Probably one of the most diverse artists I know (as to the style of what she puts out) -- dislike some albums, couldn't live without others. Quirky genius. IMO, "When I Was a Boy" (the album, not Dar's song) is a masterpiece. Dave "Willms, Gregory J." wrote: For something a little more closely related to Patty's style of music, maybe check out Jonatha Brooke. I've been on this list for a while and I don't recall ever seeing her name pop up, which really surprises me. She released a live album a few years ago that will knock your socks off. Another good album of hers is "Plumb" from when she was still with The Story. Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:01:17 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Short Subject: MM: Larkin Larkin Larkin Patty Larkin is a formidable talent. Her brand new release "Red = Luck" is another wonderful addition to her catalog. Her albums have become more meditative/introspective in recent years, foregoing her early bent toward "shtick" songs like "At the Mall" and the Four Bitchin' Babes stuff (as funny as they are). I disagree that her skill lies mostly with her guitar chops -- she's a helluva songwriter. "Winter Wind" is a small meditation that nails me every time... "A Go-Go" is good in that it captures her live energy. I haven't listened to it much since I've seen her so many times (lol)... Of her studio albums, "Angels Running" and "Perishable Fruit" are among her strongest. Oh, and she's funny as hell live. Dave ;-) Maureen Scott wrote:I was also planning to mention Patty Larkin. I saw her last week and she was incredible. I do agree that lyrically she is not as good as (our) Patty, but what a wonderful guitar player. She has come a long way since the late 80s-early 90s when I was able to see her for $7. I would also recommend "A Gogo"(which I purchased just last week) and "Angels Running" and also "In the Square"- okay, probably everything else too! Maureen Roy Larsen wrote: > From: "F&L Garvey" > >> I'm looking for someone new to listen to. And once again, I keep >> coming back >> to Patty - which of course isn't a bad thing! But I need >> something!!!!!!! > > > I like Patty Larkin very much - but I don't think I've ever seen her > mentioned on this list. Lyrically, I don't think she's as good Patty > or Jonatha, but I think her music and expression are great. I'd > suggest the live album "A Gogo" as a sampler.... > > Roy > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:12:48 -0500 From: "Stephen Leavitt" Subject: MM: A MASTER WORK Ok Patty fans this is your lucky day... I am going to tell you about a CD that (God do I dare say this) out Patty's Patty. It's "Miss America" by Mary Margaret O'Hara. This is one of the best pop/folk/country CD's EVER!! This is not an exageration. This is what the review at allmusic.com had to say: "Originally recorded in 1984 and not released until 1988, Miss America still sounds light years ahead of its time: Mary Margaret O'Hara is a force of nature, a remarkable singer and composer whose crystal-clear soprano acrobatics and hypnotic songs defy accepted conventions. Flirting intermittently with country ("Anew Day," "Dear Darling") and jazz ("Keeping You in Mind"), O'Hara works primarily with pop dynamics, but deconstructs and reassembles the form according to her own blueprint: "Year in Song" is jaggedly intense, "To Cry About" is gorgeously ambient, and "Body's in Trouble" is delicately gripping, yet none conform easily to such facile assessments, with hairpin turns in mood and atmosphere which blindside expectations. Following instead its own abstract internal logic, Miss America is a work of mad-scientist genius, and it remains a singular experience."  Jason Ankeny This CD is not easily located, but worth EVER effort! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:40:47 -0500 From: "Willms, Gregory J." Subject: RE: MM: Ryan Adams I don't like the White Stripes for a variety of reasons; and yes, pretentiousness is one of them. I also don't care for their music. They sort of sound like a cheap rip-off the Jon Spencer Blues Explosion. Whatever the case, it doesn't sound good to me. The only reason I mentioned that they aren't very original is because suddenly they're everyone's favorite band. Why? What's so great about them? I just don't get it. I no talent scout, but I don't hear any stellar guitar work, stunning vocals, or masterful songwriting. No, all 3 of those aren't required for me to like an artist/band, but let's face it, most of the music we like has at least one of those characteristics. I just don't think it's very good music and I feel like an idiot because I'm apparently missing out on something. - -----Original Message----- From: Sean and Rebecca [mailto:beccasean@peoplepc.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:53 AM To: Gregory.Willms@qwest.com Cc: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: RE: MM: Ryan Adams As far as Wilco's newest album, I suppose we will have to agree to disagree. I think it's a great album. Is it their best? Not in my opinion, but good nonetheless, and much better than 90% of the stuff put out today. As far as the White Stripes (and I really didn't want what could have been an informative debate on the state of pop music to devolve into defending bands, but here goes) is your problem with them, or the music? I don't understand people's preoccupation with things outside of the music presented. Who cares if they are pretentious? Of course they are. A blind mule could figure that one out, but the albums are consistently good. No they are not re-inventing the wheel, but here's a clue...Patty wasn't the first woman to pick up an acoustic guitar and strum folk songs either. Not everybody has to be "a creative genius" in order to be enjoybale. By the way, have you heard a WS album, or just the singles? I would consider them much more blues-based than garage rock. Sean ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:43:27 -0600 From: "folkyboy" Subject: MM: Re: MM White Stripes i like the White Stripes because they sound so home made. there's even a point at the end of one song that the sister starts talking and they cut her off. like she wasn't supposed to be there. that's so rad... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:59:13 +0000 From: "Roy Larsen" Subject: Re: MM: Larkin Larkin Larkin I haven't gotten Red = Luck yet, but I just noticed that Jonatha Brooke is a guest vocalist! They should be great together. Patty L. is great live and I can't wait to see her again when she comes to Portland April 11th. (I hope she does some of those shtick songs - they really draw the crowd into the show.) :^) Roy - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Dave Short To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: Larkin Larkin Larkin Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:01:17 -0800 (PST) Patty Larkin is a formidable talent. Her brand new release "Red = Luck" is another wonderful addition to her catalog. Her albums have become more meditative/introspective in recent years, foregoing her early bent toward "shtick" songs like "At the Mall" and the Four Bitchin' Babes stuff (as funny as they are). I disagree that her skill lies mostly with her guitar chops -- she's a helluva songwriter. "Winter Wind" is a small meditation that nails me every time... "A Go-Go" is good in that it captures her live energy. I haven't listened to it much since I've seen her so many times (lol)... Of her studio albums, "Angels Running" and "Perishable Fruit" are among her strongest. Oh, and she's funny as hell live. Dave ;-) Maureen Scott wrote:I was also planning to mention Patty Larkin. I saw her last week and she was incredible. I do agree that lyrically she is not as good as (our) Patty, but what a wonderful guitar player. She has come a long way since the late 80s-early 90s when I was able to see her for $7. I would also recommend "A Gogo"(which I purchased just last week) and "Angels Running" and also "In the Square"- okay, probably everything else too! Maureen Roy Larsen wrote: > From: "F&L Garvey" > >> I'm looking for someone new to listen to. And once again, I keep >> coming back >> to Patty - which of course isn't a bad thing! But I need >> something!!!!!!! > > > I like Patty Larkin very much - but I don't think I've ever seen her > mentioned on this list. Lyrically, I don't think she's as good Patty > or Jonatha, but I think her music and expression are great. I'd > suggest the live album "A Gogo" as a sampler.... > > Roy > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V7 #56 ********************************