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Edit out anything you are not referring to. mad-mission-digest Monday, February 24 2003 Volume 07 : Number 054 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Dissappointment ["Janet C. Jordan M.D." ] MM: Evil Grammys? [Rongrittz@aol.com] MM: Re: Dissappointment ["Sean and Rebecca" ] MM: Re: Re: Dissappointment ["F&L Garvey" ] MM: RE: Dixie Chicks presales ["Booms, Holly" ] Re: MM: Re: Dissappointment] [Matt Fotter ] MM: Ryan Adams ["Willms, Gregory J." ] Re: MM: Ryan and John [ShmephSasso@aol.com] Re: MM: Ryan Adams ["Sean and Rebecca" ] MM: Re: Ryan Adams ["F&L Garvey" ] Re: MM: Re: Ryan Adams ["Sean and Rebecca" ] Re: MM: Re: Ryan Adams ["Sarah Stanley" ] Re: MM: Re: Ryan Adams ["Roy Larsen" ] RE: MM: Ryan Adams ["Willms, Gregory J." ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:57:45 -0600 (Central Standard Time) From: "Janet C. Jordan M.D." Subject: MM: Dissappointment OK..........my 2cents....... When are Paul and Art gonna get over the love quarrel...or whatever it is. Their lifetime award should be for never ever looking at each other for the rest of their lives....Sound of Silence......... Natalie from Dixie Chick should have mentioned Patty but she seems to be way too into herself............and we all know that Patty's 2 songs on their album are the best ones....... NSYNC proved themselves with the BeeGee's analogy. Standing ovation also... Nobody made fun of Aretha in her space outfit.......guess she's earned it... respect........but WOAH......... John Mayer.........WHAT A CHARISMATIC AND TALENTED GUY.........his acceptance was way humble and his tennis shoes were great.... Is Sheryl really dating Kid Rock ?? Then they just skated past the Patty category while I was calling my friend and didn't even see them dis her....... I'm happy for Patty getting the nomination and now have a better understanding why so many artists boycott the awards......... ..and last(ly)...........Is agreeance a word???? We love you Patty!!!! Happy birthday and for your birthday we might re move just one landmine........so it's all worth it. Janet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:02:06 -0500 From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: MM: Evil Grammys? >> who the heck is nickle creek anyway?!?!?! what a load of horse sh*t!!!!!! << Well, if you don't know them, how can you criticize them? Sure, it would have been nice for Patty to win -- and, truth be told, there was already a perfectly appropriate "Best Bluegrass Album" category for Nickel Creek to compete in -- but they are an INCREDIBLY talented group, with their album produced by none other than the amazing Allison Krauss. Unfortunately, the "Best Contemporary Folk" category has sort of become a hodge-podge of random acoustic acts . . . such as a couple of years ago when Lucinda Williams won the award. Lucinda Williams? Folk? It's just nice that Patty was even recognized with a nomination, and I'm sure her time will come, as it did with Shawn Colvin a few years back. RG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 06:37:44 -0800 (PST) From: "Sean and Rebecca" Subject: MM: Re: Dissappointment I have seen more talent and charisma at my local watering hole's open mic night...though he has a future as a Dave Matthews tribute personality at a casino. Sean On Sun, 23 Feb 2003, "Janet C. Jordan M.D." wrote: > John Mayer.........WHAT A CHARISMATIC AND TALENTED > GUY.........his > acceptance was way humble and his tennis shoes were > great.... ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:43:00 -0500 From: "F&L Garvey" Subject: MM: Re: Re: Dissappointment Not a fan of John Mayer either - what's up with him making out with the microphone?? Does anyone else notice that? Every time I see him I cringe - just my opinion of him. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean and Rebecca" To: Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 9:37 AM Subject: MM: Re: Dissappointment > I have seen more talent and charisma at my local > watering hole's open mic night...though he has a future > as a Dave Matthews tribute personality at a casino. > > Sean > > On Sun, 23 Feb 2003, "Janet C. Jordan M.D." wrote: > > John Mayer.........WHAT A CHARISMATIC AND TALENTED > > GUY.........his > > acceptance was way humble and his tennis shoes were > > great.... > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:51:11 -0500 From: "Booms, Holly" Subject: MM: RE: Dixie Chicks presales The Dixie Chicks have an official fan club now, and you have to join in order to take advantage of pre-sales and such. There is a link for it on the main www.yahoo.com page, or at this page: http://dixiechicks.launch.yahoo.com/. I believe it costs $30 to join. - ---------------------------------------- RE: Hi! Does anyone know if the Dixie Chicks are doing any special internet pre-sale for tix to Seattle show? Is there a password I should know about? I figure supporting the Chix also supports Patty, ya know? Thanks for your help. Heather ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:52:32 -0500 From: Matt Fotter Subject: Re: MM: Re: Dissappointment] Sean and Rebecca wrote: > I have seen more talent and charisma at my local > watering hole's open mic night...though he has a future > as a Dave Matthews tribute personality at a casino. > > Sean It's funny - my exposure to John Mayer came form some bootlegs made by a friend (Mayer has a huge taper community online and he tours heavily) and was pretty amazed by the guy. His infatuation with Stevie Ray Vaughn is apparent and he has strong originals mixed with nice picks for covers (Toad the Wet Sprocket and Hendrix come to mind). Then I bought 'Room for Squares' and had to wonder if it was the same guy. Not sure what got lost in the translation, but Mayer is up there with the Dead for the "My studio work is not really a representation of what my concerts are like" award. Had I only been exposed to the guy through his studio stuff, I would have passed him by. And speaking of covers, I recall answering a question about who wrote "Alex Chilton" - I've been on this Replacemnts jag lately and would love to hear Patty cover that song. Can anyone rip me a mp3 or ogg? Thanks! m - -- matt@fotter.com Memorize the books before burning. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:10:12 -0500 From: "Willms, Gregory J." Subject: MM: Ryan Adams Ryan Adams is perhaps one of the most overrated acts to hit the music scene in decades. I lump him in with the recent "indie" craze that seems to be sweeping America (Wilco, White Stripes, Bright Eyes, etc.). In MOST circumstances, it seems that "indie" usually means "not signed to a major label for a reason". Adams is at best a cry baby and at worst a complete jerk... as anyone who has paid good money to see one of his (awful) live shows only to have him either walk off the stage or insult the audience can attest to. The only reason that he, or any of these new rock bands, have sold any records is because everyone got sick of the boy bands. It's all a cycle of disposable garbage. In 5 years, there will be a new Britney Spears and rock music will once again drop below the public and media radars. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:25:12 EST From: ShmephSasso@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Ryan and John I tend to lump these two together (Ryan Adams and John Mayer). No offense to anyone who enjoys them, but I just don't see what all the fuss is about. Stephanie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 07:34:08 -0800 (PST) From: "Sean and Rebecca" Subject: Re: MM: Ryan Adams Surely you don not consider the hard work of a band such as Wilco to be a beneficiary of the "indie craze" that you mentioned? After 4 albums, and another 2 albums with Billy Bragg, a couple of side projects (Autumn Defense, FWIW, and Chelsea Walls, etc) and a musical lineage that is hard to snuff at, it would be hard to announce that the 300,000 or so YHF albums sold is due to any craze. While I agree that Ryan Adams is completely overrated, I don't see your link to the "success" (read: not even a gold record) of Wilco, or evne the White Stripes who, with their third album, garnerd a major label and some record sales. Sean "Willms, Gregory J." wrote: > > Ryan Adams is perhaps one of the most overrated acts to > hit the music scene > in decades. I lump him in with the recent "indie" > craze that seems to be > sweeping America (Wilco, White Stripes, Bright Eyes, > etc.). ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:48:24 -0500 From: "F&L Garvey" Subject: MM: Re: Ryan Adams Ok - after all the responses to Ryan Adams - I have gone onto Tower records.com to sample some of his music. The music is okay for what I have heard, but doesn't seem to be something I would listen to a lot. Usually when I sample music I need to get "hooked" within the 30 seconds they allow you to listen. So what I did was picked Heartbreaker - and listened to all the samples. Unfortunately I didn't get hooked. I'm looking for someone new to listen to. And once again, I keep coming back to Patty - which of course isn't a bad thing! But I need something!!!!!!! People that have got me hooked were, Eva Cassidy, Nora Jones (somewhat - I still need to listen a little more - the lyrics aren't grabbing me)Susan Tedeschi (not the most recent CD) Jonatha Brooke (where has she gone???) the Dixie Chicks. You can probably tell I haven't found any males that have me hooked (except my man of course) If you took into consideration the artists I have listed above - who would you suggest??? (new music - or somewhat new)? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willms, Gregory J." To: "'F&L Garvey '" ; Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 8:30 AM Subject: RE: Ryan Adams > Ryan Adams is one of the most overrrated acts to hit the music scene in > years. He's also a jerk. Just ask anyone who has attended one of his shows > only to have him walk off the stage or insult the audience. > > -----Original Message----- > From: F&L Garvey > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > Sent: 2/23/2003 3:05 PM > Subject: MM: Ryan Adams > > Hi guys, > > I've been looking for some new music to listen to, and I've heard a lot > of > people talk about Ryan Adams. Now I don't think I know any of his music > - but > if I were to buy one of his CD's - which one would you suggest or which > is > your favorite? > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:37:56 -0800 (PST) From: "Sean and Rebecca" Subject: Re: MM: Re: Ryan Adams Badly Drawn Boy or Spoon or Joseph Arthur. Sean On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, "F&L Garvey" wrote: > If you took into consideration the artists I have > listed above - who would > you suggest??? (new music - or somewhat new)? > ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:53:37 -0500 From: "Sarah Stanley" Subject: Re: MM: Re: Ryan Adams Have you tried Kasey Chambers, Deb Talan, Bree Sharp or Kris Delmhorst for girls? The new Chantal Kreviazuk cd is good too - and the new Dar Williams cd (out last Tues.) is rad as well.... How about David Gray, Jason Mraz, Jack Johnson, Taj Mahal (not "new music" but great!), Elliott Smith for guys? OOH - and Sons of the Never Wrong (opened for Patty before) are a wonderful mod folk trio (two girls & one guy)! I could keep 'em coming, but gotta get back to work ;) Hope that helps! Peace, Sarah - ------------------------------------------- "Sorrow has the sweetest little laugh, and Sorrow is a pretty good friend to have She said take off my blue dress And give it to happiness.... It matches the color of her eyes at midnight." -- Tori Amos >From: "F&L Garvey" >To: "Willms, Gregory J." , >Subject: MM: Re: Ryan Adams >Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:48:24 -0500 > >Ok - after all the responses to Ryan Adams - I have gone onto Tower >records.com to sample some of his music. The music is okay for what I have >heard, but doesn't seem to be something I would listen to a lot. Usually >when I sample music I need to get "hooked" within the 30 seconds they allow >you to listen. So what I did was picked Heartbreaker - and listened to all >the samples. Unfortunately I didn't get hooked. > >I'm looking for someone new to listen to. And once again, I keep coming >back >to Patty - which of course isn't a bad thing! But I need something!!!!!!! > >People that have got me hooked were, Eva Cassidy, Nora Jones (somewhat - I >still need to listen a little more - the lyrics aren't grabbing me)Susan >Tedeschi (not the most recent CD) Jonatha Brooke (where has she gone???) >the >Dixie Chicks. > >You can probably tell I haven't found any males that have me hooked (except >my man of course) > >If you took into consideration the artists I have listed above - who would >you suggest??? (new music - or somewhat new)? > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Willms, Gregory J." >To: "'F&L Garvey '" ; >Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 8:30 AM >Subject: RE: Ryan Adams > > > > Ryan Adams is one of the most overrrated acts to hit the music scene in > > years. He's also a jerk. Just ask anyone who has attended one of his >shows > > only to have him walk off the stage or insult the audience. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: F&L Garvey > > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > > Sent: 2/23/2003 3:05 PM > > Subject: MM: Ryan Adams > > > > Hi guys, > > > > I've been looking for some new music to listen to, and I've heard a lot > > of > > people talk about Ryan Adams. Now I don't think I know any of his music > > - but > > if I were to buy one of his CD's - which one would you suggest or which > > is > > your favorite? > > > > Lori _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:26:55 +0000 From: "Roy Larsen" Subject: Re: MM: Re: Ryan Adams From: "F&L Garvey" >I'm looking for someone new to listen to. And once again, I keep coming >back >to Patty - which of course isn't a bad thing! But I need something!!!!!!! I like Patty Larkin very much - but I don't think I've ever seen her mentioned on this list. Lyrically, I don't think she's as good Patty or Jonatha, but I think her music and expression are great. I'd suggest the live album "A Gogo" as a sampler.... Roy _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:33:32 -0500 From: "Willms, Gregory J." Subject: RE: MM: Ryan Adams I do consider Wilco to be a beneficiary of the "indie craze". I've been familiar with the group, its members, and their side projects for years. I actually like Uncle Tupelo and I do have a sweet spot for a select few Son Volt (they're not Wilco, granted, but related) songs, but I don't get what all the fuss is about. In all the time I've been listening to this collection of bands, I've never heard any of their names thrown around as much as I have in the past 8 months. If I didn't know any better, I'd think people were talking about Rubber Soul when they discuss YHF. To me it sounds like they just rounded up whatever random crap they had around the house, beat on it, dubbed in some creaky sad vocals and called it an album. No wonder it got rejected in the first place. You can call it art, but I call it a turd. The same goes for the White Stripes. I don't care how many albums they put out independently or how hard they work, it doesn't make their music any better. I fail to see the talent. It's nothing new. It's a garage power trio minus a bass player. What's so great about a guy screaming and pounding on a guitar and a girl banging on the drums? Maybe it's the fact that they're called the "White Stripes" but they always wear red. That's so totally indie. They claim to not want all the fame and attention, they just want to make music and if people happen to like it, whatever, they don't care. But why then can I download a buddy icon off their official web site? Cut the pretentious crap Jack, you're not fooling anyone. Rubbish, all of it. - -----Original Message----- From: Sean and Rebecca To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sent: 2/24/2003 10:34 AM Subject: Re: MM: Ryan Adams Surely you don not consider the hard work of a band such as Wilco to be a beneficiary of the "indie craze" that you mentioned? After 4 albums, and another 2 albums with Billy Bragg, a couple of side projects (Autumn Defense, FWIW, and Chelsea Walls, etc) and a musical lineage that is hard to snuff at, it would be hard to announce that the 300,000 or so YHF albums sold is due to any craze. While I agree that Ryan Adams is completely overrated, I don't see your link to the "success" (read: not even a gold record) of Wilco, or evne the White Stripes who, with their third album, garnerd a major label and some record sales. Sean "Willms, Gregory J." wrote: > > Ryan Adams is perhaps one of the most overrated acts to > hit the music scene > in decades. I lump him in with the recent "indie" > craze that seems to be > sweeping America (Wilco, White Stripes, Bright Eyes, > etc.). ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V7 #54 ********************************