From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #393 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.pattygriffin.net/PattyInConcert.html * OR * go to http://www.atorecords.com * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Monday, November 18 2002 Volume 06 : Number 393 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: easy guitar songs? ["Ed Felker" ] MM: RE: easy guitar songs? ["Willms, Gregory J." ] Re: MM: easy guitar songs? [Jynx419@aol.com] MM: RE: easy guitar songs? ["Jason Burton" ] Re: MM: easy guitar songs? ["Roy Larsen" ] RE: MM: easy guitar songs? ["Willms, Gregory J." ] MM: this age business ["Amy Emerman" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:51:51 -0500 From: "Ed Felker" Subject: MM: easy guitar songs? So I take it from my week or so of observing this list that many of you play guitar, at a variety of levels. Well, I've just taken up guitar after many years of thinking about it. But I'm just beginning (about two weeks, 2 lessons). I've already identified a handful of songs that I would like to learn how to play, a Tom Waits song, a couple of Jayhawks tunes that lend themselves well to acoustic guitar, stuff like that. Can someone recommend a Patty song that might be appropriate for a beginner to learn? Something with fairly basic and common chords? I don't sing. At all. So it doesn't have to be easy to sing (I can't imagine any of her songs are.) Anyway, thanks for any input or suggestions. Ed. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:02:08 -0500 From: "Willms, Gregory J." Subject: MM: RE: easy guitar songs? You Never Get What You Want is probably the easiest out of all Patty songs that I'm familiar with. From what I can recall, I believe it's just E minor, A, and D over and over again with a few very minor changes (including the bridge). Poor Man's House, Sweet Lorraine, and Forgiveness are also pretty easy if you just play the chords straight up and ignore all the little stylings. Take your time and be patient, or you'll get frustrated and quit. I've been playing for 14 years and I still can't quite get Let Him Fly. But hey, Patty doesn't even play that one. - -----Original Message----- From: Ed Felker [mailto:Ed.Felker@falmouthinstitute.com] Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 8:52 AM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: easy guitar songs? So I take it from my week or so of observing this list that many of you play guitar, at a variety of levels. Well, I've just taken up guitar after many years of thinking about it. But I'm just beginning (about two weeks, 2 lessons). I've already identified a handful of songs that I would like to learn how to play, a Tom Waits song, a couple of Jayhawks tunes that lend themselves well to acoustic guitar, stuff like that. Can someone recommend a Patty song that might be appropriate for a beginner to learn? Something with fairly basic and common chords? I don't sing. At all. So it doesn't have to be easy to sing (I can't imagine any of her songs are.) Anyway, thanks for any input or suggestions. Ed. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:03:10 -0500 From: "Willms, Gregory J." Subject: MM: RE: easy guitar songs? Oh, you'll also probably want to invest in a capo if you want to start playing Patty's stuff. - -----Original Message----- From: Ed Felker [mailto:Ed.Felker@falmouthinstitute.com] Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 8:52 AM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: easy guitar songs? So I take it from my week or so of observing this list that many of you play guitar, at a variety of levels. Well, I've just taken up guitar after many years of thinking about it. But I'm just beginning (about two weeks, 2 lessons). I've already identified a handful of songs that I would like to learn how to play, a Tom Waits song, a couple of Jayhawks tunes that lend themselves well to acoustic guitar, stuff like that. Can someone recommend a Patty song that might be appropriate for a beginner to learn? Something with fairly basic and common chords? I don't sing. At all. So it doesn't have to be easy to sing (I can't imagine any of her songs are.) Anyway, thanks for any input or suggestions. Ed. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:08:02 -0500 From: "Sarah Stanley" Subject: MM: Gem Tree closing Hi guys and gals! Okay, so I've got TONS of requests for the Gem Tree and I said I was going to close the "request line" by Sunday night. Since I'm at work and can't gather the group and assign exact branches just yet since all my branch info is at home, I will continue to take any last minute "stragglers" up until tonight -- let's say by 8pm (EST). :) So, if you meant to email me but didn't quite get around to it yet....DO SO NOW! Send me your name, email and location. I will try to assign the leaves to the branches tonight.... Thanks! And look for the next email soon! Peace and go see "Bowling for Columbine," Sarah ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ "way up North I took my day all in all was a pretty nice day and I put the Hood right back where You could taste heaven perfectly Feel out the summer breeze didn't know when we'd be back And I, I don't didn't think We'd end up like like this -- Tori Amos _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:11:05 EST From: Jynx419@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: easy guitar songs? Good luck with the guitar Ed! I'm thinkin' Change would be a great song to begin with: Capo 1 Am7 G / D :/ Am7 G/ C D:/ G / D / It's a little fast, but if you start slow, get the chords & the chord changes down, the rest will fall into place. Pam ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:11:59 -0700 From: "Jason Burton" Subject: MM: RE: easy guitar songs? My first Patty tunes on guitar were "Poor Man's House" and "Moses". Jason www.creekdipping.com - Victoria Williams & Mark Olson www.singlecollector.com - Hard to find CDs - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Ed Felker Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 6:52 AM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: easy guitar songs? So I take it from my week or so of observing this list that many of you play guitar, at a variety of levels. Well, I've just taken up guitar after many years of thinking about it. But I'm just beginning (about two weeks, 2 lessons). I've already identified a handful of songs that I would like to learn how to play, a Tom Waits song, a couple of Jayhawks tunes that lend themselves well to acoustic guitar, stuff like that. Can someone recommend a Patty song that might be appropriate for a beginner to learn? Something with fairly basic and common chords? I don't sing. At all. So it doesn't have to be easy to sing (I can't imagine any of her songs are.) Anyway, thanks for any input or suggestions. Ed. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:28:09 +0000 From: "Roy Larsen" Subject: Re: MM: easy guitar songs? Ed, Many of Patty's songs are played in an open tuning. If you can get past the inconvenience of re-tuning your guitar (or have the luxury of having more than one), open tuning often has two immediate paybacks for the beginner. First is the incredibly rich sound you can get with no fingering at all and the second is that many of the cords you do form are pretty simple. For instance "Rain" uses a modified open D tuning. In addition to the open D, it uses three other cords that use just two fingers in the same position up and down the fret board. You can find the TAB on www.pattygriffin.net (a truly outstanding site). Ron's TAB has a slight typo for the first group of cords in that they only show 5 strings. The missing sixth string is the high D which is always played open. The trick to open tuning is to remember the tuning pattern to get from standard tuning (EADGBE) to the desired open tuning. For "Rain" this is DADDAD, which means 750750. This translates to: - - finger the low E at the 7th fret and tune it down until it matches the adjacent A. - - finger the A at the 5th fret and tune it to the adjacent D (which should already be right). - - tune the G down until it matches the D (thus the 0 in the tuning pattern). - - finger the third string (was the G but is now a D) at the 7th fret and tune the B (second string) down to match it. - - finally, finger the second string at the 5th fret and tune the high E down to D to match. To get yourself tuned back to standard tuning, just remember that the low A and D (5th and 4th strings) are already correct and just use the standard 555450 tuning to get yourself back. The only reservation I have for suggesting this to someone just starting out is that you may be so thrilled with the sound and feel of open tunings that you may never learn standard chords. And that would be a shame. :^) Roy >From: "Ed Felker" >To: >Subject: MM: easy guitar songs? >Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:51:51 -0500 > >So I take it from my week or so of observing this list that many of you >play guitar, at a variety of levels. Well, I've just taken up guitar after >many years of thinking about it. But I'm just beginning (about two weeks, 2 >lessons). > >I've already identified a handful of songs that I would like to learn how >to play, a Tom Waits song, a couple of Jayhawks tunes that lend themselves >well to acoustic guitar, stuff like that. > >Can someone recommend a Patty song that might be appropriate for a beginner >to learn? Something with fairly basic and common chords? I don't sing. At >all. So it doesn't have to be easy to sing (I can't imagine any of her >songs are.) > >Anyway, thanks for any input or suggestions. > >Ed. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:40:44 -0500 From: "Willms, Gregory J." Subject: RE: MM: easy guitar songs? We're all very impressed with your vast knowledge of open tunings, but it's probably not a very good idea for someone who is literally 2 weeks into playing to start messing around with them. Open and alternate tunings force you to approach the guitar from a whole new angle, which may disrupt the learning process for a beginner. ...not to mention the complexities it adds to guitar theory as a whole. - -----Original Message----- From: Roy Larsen [mailto:roy_larsen@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 1:28 PM To: Ed.Felker@falmouthinstitute.com; mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: Re: MM: easy guitar songs? Ed, Many of Patty's songs are played in an open tuning. If you can get past the inconvenience of re-tuning your guitar (or have the luxury of having more than one), open tuning often has two immediate paybacks for the beginner. First is the incredibly rich sound you can get with no fingering at all and the second is that many of the cords you do form are pretty simple. For instance "Rain" uses a modified open D tuning. In addition to the open D, it uses three other cords that use just two fingers in the same position up and down the fret board. You can find the TAB on www.pattygriffin.net (a truly outstanding site). Ron's TAB has a slight typo for the first group of cords in that they only show 5 strings. The missing sixth string is the high D which is always played open. The trick to open tuning is to remember the tuning pattern to get from standard tuning (EADGBE) to the desired open tuning. For "Rain" this is DADDAD, which means 750750. This translates to: - - finger the low E at the 7th fret and tune it down until it matches the adjacent A. - - finger the A at the 5th fret and tune it to the adjacent D (which should already be right). - - tune the G down until it matches the D (thus the 0 in the tuning pattern). - - finger the third string (was the G but is now a D) at the 7th fret and tune the B (second string) down to match it. - - finally, finger the second string at the 5th fret and tune the high E down to D to match. To get yourself tuned back to standard tuning, just remember that the low A and D (5th and 4th strings) are already correct and just use the standard 555450 tuning to get yourself back. The only reservation I have for suggesting this to someone just starting out is that you may be so thrilled with the sound and feel of open tunings that you may never learn standard chords. And that would be a shame. :^) Roy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:55:53 -0500 From: "Ed Felker" Subject: RE: MM: easy guitar songs? First, let me say that -- again, being new here -- I'm really pleased with the thoughtful responses I got to this question today. Thanks to everyone who answered. The open tuning thing I had heard about elsewhere in my research and yeah, I think it's not something I want to mess with at this time. But I printed out Roy's email and have put it in a file (along with tabs for songs I like that have chords I've never heard of before) that I keep for future experimentation. I am still trying to wrap my brain around the basic fundamentals. I feel like things are progressing well for the amount of time I've been at it, but at this time my guitar knowledge is based more on memorization and mimicry. I hope that soon it will spill over into understanding. Thanks again for the nice responses and cool suggestions. I've printed them all out and look forward to trying some of this soon. Thanks. Ed. > ---------- > From: Willms, Gregory J. > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 1:40 PM > To: 'Roy Larsen'; Ed Felker; mad-mission@smoe.org > Subject: RE: MM: easy guitar songs? > > We're all very impressed with your vast knowledge of open tunings, but it's > probably not a very good idea for someone who is literally 2 weeks into > playing to start messing around with them. Open and alternate tunings force > you to approach the guitar from a whole new angle, which may disrupt the > learning process for a beginner. ...not to mention the complexities it adds > to guitar theory as a whole. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roy Larsen [mailto:roy_larsen@hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 1:28 PM > To: Ed.Felker@falmouthinstitute.com; mad-mission@smoe.org > Subject: Re: MM: easy guitar songs? > > Ed, > > Many of Patty's songs are played in an open tuning. If you can get past the > > inconvenience of re-tuning your guitar (or have the luxury of having more > than one), open tuning often has two immediate paybacks for the beginner. > First is the incredibly rich sound you can get with no fingering at all and > the second is that many of the cords you do form are pretty simple. > > For instance "Rain" uses a modified open D tuning. In addition to the open > D, it uses three other cords that use just two fingers in the same position > up and down the fret board. You can find the TAB on www.pattygriffin.net (a > > truly outstanding site). Ron's TAB has a slight typo for the first group of > > cords in that they only show 5 strings. The missing sixth string is the > high D which is always played open. > > The trick to open tuning is to remember the tuning pattern to get from > standard tuning (EADGBE) to the desired open tuning. For "Rain" this is > DADDAD, which means 750750. This translates to: > > - finger the low E at the 7th fret and tune it down until it matches the > adjacent A. > - finger the A at the 5th fret and tune it to the adjacent D (which should > already be right). > - tune the G down until it matches the D (thus the 0 in the tuning pattern). > - finger the third string (was the G but is now a D) at the 7th fret and > tune the B (second string) down to match it. > - finally, finger the second string at the 5th fret and tune the high E down > > to D to match. > > To get yourself tuned back to standard tuning, just remember that the low A > and D (5th and 4th strings) are already correct and just use the standard > 555450 tuning to get yourself back. > > The only reservation I have for suggesting this to someone just starting out > > is that you may be so thrilled with the sound and feel of open tunings that > you may never learn standard chords. And that would be a shame. :^) > > Roy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:35:23 +0000 From: "Amy Emerman" Subject: MM: this age business 29's an awesome age. I like 30 even better. THat's what I am now. I think it continues to get better. At least, so far, so good...I'm looking and feeling fantabulous and more attractive then ever. My best friend just turned 30 on the 16th and she says she feels better and has a better body now than ever before too. I think women become more self-confident and sexier as they get older, but that is a generalization and not always true. But I think it has a lot of truth to it. Amy someone wrote: >WOO HOOOO >I LOVE BEING 29 AND I HAVE LOVED EVERY YEAR BEFORE IT (EXCEPT 25... THAT >WHOLE 1/4 CENTURY THING FREAKED ME OUT A LITTLE.. :) >I WAS JUST DISCUSSING WITH A FRIEND OF MINE HOW WE HAVE LIVED OUR LIVES >PRETTY WELL SO FAR. AND THAT WE DONT HAVE ANY REGRETS. EVEN THE BAD >THINGS ... I WOULNDT CHANGE THEM FOR ANYTHING.. I CONSIDER IT A LEARNING >PROCESS. I AM A WORK IN PROGRESS AND I LOVE THAT I LEARN SOMETHING EVERY >DAY. >SO HERE I AM.... 29 AND HAPPY IN LIFE AND APPRECIATING IT EVERY DAY. >~KIM > >Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:23:03 -0500 >From: "Eugene Wendland" >Subject: Re: MM: Re: I agree > >Hey, isn't that cool, I'm about to celebrate my 29th birthday soon (for the >16th year in a row). Wifey say's it's more like my 16th birthday, 29 years >in a row. Look out Wendy, Captain Hook's right behind you!! > >Eugene > > > I AM 29! I AM 29! I AM 29! > > WOO HOOOO > > I LOVE BEING 29 > >------------------------------ > >End of mad-mission-digest V6 #391 >********************************* _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V6 #393 *********************************