From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #287 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.pattygriffin.net/PattyInConcert.html * OR * go to http://www.atorecords.com * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Friday, August 2 2002 Volume 06 : Number 287 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Message from the MM list owner - all please read ["Connell, Michael P] MM: RE: a critic of glenns review ["Matthew Smith" ] Re: FW: MM: My favorite Male voice [Dome93@aol.com] MM: Re: My favorite Male voice ["* Darcie *" ] MM: RE: Jerry's comment about Matt's comment about 1000 Kisses ["Matthew ] MM: RE: Re: My favorite Male voice ["Matthew Smith" ] MM: mm: re: Favorite male voice [Jon Crouse ] MM: Re: mm: re: Favorite male voice ["Lori Garvey" ] MM: RE: Re: mm: re: Favorite male voice ["Matthew Smith" Subject: MM: Message from the MM list owner - all please read Just some reminders that I must demand, as things are getting out of hand netiquette-wise. 1) Do NOT post one-liners! (like "exactly!", or "I agree!" or one-liner reply questions that really shouid be private to the person you are replying to). 2) For the fifth time this year I must say, please, please, please, please, please do not quote ENTIRE posts in your post! Edit out what is not necessary and only keep in what is needed to support your point. This is especially annoying when someone posts a short one-liner like "Exactly!" and then has some 45 lines of a quoted post below their one-line (we've had about 6 of those in the last 5 hours). It's doubly annoying to the digest subscribers. If you do not believe me, head to http://www.smoe.org/lists/mad-mission/v06.n285 to read the latest digest. It's a mess with quoted text, much of which is not quoted properly with the > markings. Another thing, if your replies with quoted text do not mark the quoted text so it's easier to see what is your post and what you are quoting, please take the time to read the Help files for your email software and make the necessary changes to then quote properly. There are very few email programs out there that do not have options for the displaying of quoted text, so most of you out there whose posts have exhibited this trait should be able to make the change. As for the off-topic discussion of late. This IS a discussion list and off-topic discussion is of course welcome, but we have to remember to follow nettiquette for the benefit of the others either reading or not reading the discussion. Which also reminds me, it would be nice for people who are posting off-topic to, as a courtesy to others, ensure the acronym NPC (which stands for No Patty Content) is included in the subject of your post. If your post is in reply to a post that did not have NPC in the subject and yours is NPC, then please take the time to type that into the subject. This is for the benefit of other readers who may not want to read the off-topic posts and makes it easier for them to work their way through the posts or use their filters to mark or eliminate them. While I have gotten some complaints at home about this ongoing discussion, it will die down soon enough on its' own and I am NOT going to ask for it to stop. I only ask that people think before they post, read the post you are replying to carefully to ensure you are not taking something wrong (some of you have), and for Pete's sake please follow some nettiquette :-) By the way, before some of you give me the old "people in glass houses should not throw stones" line, I myself did not use NPC in my subject as I want to ensure, as list owner, that as many of the lists subscribers read this as possible due to the list administrative nature of it. Any questions please CC any replies to mikec@smoe.org which is my normal list-manager email address. Mike (from work) - - Mike Mike Connell BAE SYSTEMS Controls 600 Main Street Mail Drop A32 Johnson City, NY 13790 desk: (607) 770-4738 pager: 1-888-470-8135 michael.p.connell@baesystems.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:21:37 +0100 From: "Matthew Smith" Subject: MM: RE: a critic of glenns review What ever happened to freedom of speech. It's his website and he is allowed to write what ever he wants on it, and some people on this list might agree with it. Sorry if somebody might dare to differ from your opinion. Sorry again EM PS That last sentence sounded pretty close to placing Patty on a very high pedestal Some people might think the same about the words you have just written. That does not mean they all have to tell you - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Mike Gorecki Sent: 02 August 2002 16:51 To: Mad Mission Subject: MM: a critic of glenns review Glenns Review .......reviewed oh my god! What a tremendous jacka##! I can't believe people are allowed to publish this crap. What a bunch of blowhard self-important crap. I wish we could write him back... I'd tell him what to do with his review. ...poor patty. I envy her talent, I don't envy the world she has to live in order to share it with us. Mike Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 09:47:00 -0700 (PDT) From: beccasean@peoplepc.com Subject: MM: Onto other things, like the ACL Music Festival So are any other MMers going to see Patty, Gillian, the Gourds, Ryan Adams, Eilco, the Jayhawks, Caitlin Cary, and many many more in Austin in September? I've got a crew of at least six making the trip from Jackson, MS and I've got a bunch of friends in Austin coming out. Sean (being neither caustic nor hostile, just curious) ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:05:30 -0500 From: "Sheryl Novak" Subject: MM: Re: Onto other things, like the ACL Music Festival yes, my husband & I are planning to go also...can't wait!! sheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: beccasean@peoplepc.com To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 11:47 AM Subject: MM: Onto other things, like the ACL Music Festival So are any other MMers going to see Patty, Gillian, the Gourds, Ryan Adams, Eilco, the Jayhawks, Caitlin Cary, and many many more in Austin in September? I've got a crew of at least six making the trip from Jackson, MS and I've got a bunch of friends in Austin coming out. Sean (being neither caustic nor hostile, just curious) ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:56:13 -0700 From: Jerry Skomer Subject: MM: Matt's comment about 1000 Kisses Hey Matt: I read with interest your comments about 1000 Kisses. I have to confess that I, too, at first thought the album to be a little weak. But after I saw her perform the songs *live* I understood what she was doing and was a little embarassed that I had pretty much missed the artistry within that CD that was so apparent to a lot of others! Oh well, no is perfect. It made me admire Patty even more, as she reminded me that artists are often ahead of us when dealing with their craft. I have this motto from a hard-won lesson in life: "Stay where you belong." It took me years to understand the incredible wisdom of this, and Patty's 1000 Kisses underscores this value. After years of dancing awkwardly with the "big" record labels, she went back and simply made great, accessible music. I like what she said in an interview recently (and I am paraphrasing): She said that she was making music that was more about just picking up the guitar and playing and singing than anything else. And in that respect it WAS a healing record. But it is so much more (and I think you will agree with that). After watching her perform, I could see that she really enjoyed playing the songs and that they meant something both musically and artistically. When she steps back and yells "yeah" in the middle of "Chief," allowing her band to come forward with it almost Irish-like, happy sounds, she's showing a pure joy of music making. It's a small moment, but a telling one in my opinion. The rest of the 1000 Kisses is filled with similar dead-on less-than-large moments where her huge talents shine forth. Examples? The way she sings "Rain"--she rarely repeats her singing and inflection on the chorus. The spare first half of "Long Ride Home," where she waits until the song is almost half over before the band softly comes in to join her and add to the high emotion of the song. Really nice touches everywhere on that album. A friend of mine, who doesn't know Patty's music, said it was a "little gem." I had to agree. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 13:58:33 -0400 From: Dome93@aol.com Subject: Re: FW: MM: My favorite Male voice I was just going to note that this was one of the funniest and most calm exchanges we've had recently. I don't think Sean was being uptight and I don't think (for once) anyone was being overly sensitive about other people's reactions to their opinions. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:10:16 -0400 From: "* Darcie *" Subject: MM: Re: My favorite Male voice Wow good schtuff. I have to say I'm in love with the sound of Phil Anselmo's voice. Love him better in Down than in Pantera though. Springsteen DUH! And the sound of Tom Waits' voice is so damn eerie it makes my skin crawl, I love it. Lindsey Buckingham of course. Steve Earle of course. Lord the list could go on.... Maynard...mmmmmm now that is a performer. What a song he can sing. ~darc - ----- Original Message ----- From: beccasean@peoplepc.com Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 11:16 AM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: Re: My favorite Male voice Neil Young Uncle Tupelo Gillian Welch & David Rawlings Wilco Neko Case Son Volt/Jay Farrar Modest Mouse PJ Harvey Liz Phair the Shins My Morning Jacket Television Richard Buckner Whiskeytown Cracker Marah Jayhawks Gomez North MS All-Stars the Gourds Meat Puppets Ben Harper Slobberbone Kudzu Kings Guided By Voices Alejandro Escovedo Bruce Springsteen Steve Earle the Clash the Jam Dead Kennedys Misfits (old, with Glen) Husker Du ReplacementsGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:23:13 +0100 From: "Matthew Smith" Subject: MM: RE: Jerry's comment about Matt's comment about 1000 Kisses Jerry I've tried again and again to appreciate 1000 kisses; it took a little while for me to get into LWG. I do not think that the whole album is bad, just some songs. I also think the 1000 kisses versions of ones that I have heard on the various bootlegs, such as Long ride home (which sounds like it's on a radio station that is too close to a Dolly Parton station, yeehaw style backing inelegantly underlines the rhythm which the guitar only on the LFML alludes to) and "Nobody's crying" (in which the accordion and resonator guitar simply detract from her voice and the song) are simply not very good versions. One adjective that I would not use with 1000 kisses is accessible. What do you mean by "almost Irish like"? EM - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Jerry Skomer Sent: 02 August 2002 18:56 To: 'mad-mission@smoe.org' Subject: MM: Matt's comment about 1000 Kisses > After years of dancing awkwardly with the "big" record labels, she >went back and simply made great, accessible music. I like what she said in >an interview recently (and I am paraphrasing): She said that she was making >music that was more about just picking up the guitar and playing and singing >than anything else. And in that respect it WAS a healing record. But it is >so much more (and I think you will agree with that). >After watching her perform, I could see that she really enjoyed playing the >songs and that they meant something both musically and artistically. When >she steps back and yells "yeah" in the middle of "Chief," allowing her band >to come forward with it almost Irish-like, happy sounds, she's showing a >pure joy of music making. Jerry Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:25:37 +0100 From: "Matthew Smith" Subject: MM: RE: Re: My favorite Male voice A bustle in your hedgrow kicks but, eh? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org]On Behalf Of * Darcie * Sent: 02 August 2002 19:10 To: MM Subject: MM: Re: My favorite Male voice Wow good schtuff. I have to say I'm in love with the sound of Phil Anselmo's voice. Love him better in Down than in Pantera though. Springsteen DUH! And the sound of Tom Waits' voice is so damn eerie it makes my skin crawl, I love it. Lindsey Buckingham of course. Steve Earle of course. Lord the list could go on.... Maynard...mmmmmm now that is a performer. What a song he can sing. ~darc - ----- Original Message ----- From: beccasean@peoplepc.com Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 11:16 AM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: Re: My favorite Male voice Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 11:32:49 -0700 (PDT) From: beccasean@peoplepc.com Subject: MM: Re: My favorite Male voice(s) On the basis of voice alone, all other things being equal, my favorite male voices would probably be: (again, in no particular order, except the first) #1-Jeff Buckley everyone else: Mike Patton (Faith No More, Mr. Bungle, Fantomas, Tomahawk) Maynard Keyes (Tool, Perfect Circle) Ben Harper David Garza Cesar Rosas Marc Olsen Gary Louris Willie Nelson Jerry Garcia Ralph Stanley Mike Mills (R.E.M.) Al Green Solomon Burke Joe Pernice Gram Parsons David Bowie the Everly Brothers and probably a few others I am forgetting "* Darcie *" wrote: > > Wow good schtuff. > I have to say I'm in love with the sound of Phil > Anselmo's voice. ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:54:16 -0700 From: "Lorri Deyer" Subject: [none] must not not not forget Mr. Lyle Lovett's voice: gorgeous and versatile ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:56:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Crouse Subject: MM: mm: re: Favorite male voice So very right you are...and Mr. Lovett can let it rip on stage as well as on record, he's a fabulous performer. Just to put my .02 in... Jimmie Dale Gilmore (Spinning Around the Sun is on my all-time top 10...so many hate his voice, I dig it) Kurt Cobain Bruce (got the new one yet? I just did, listening for the first time right now) Lorri Deyer wrote:must not not not forget Mr. Lyle Lovett's voice: gorgeous and versatile Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:04:26 -0400 From: "Lori Garvey" Subject: MM: Re: mm: re: Favorite male voice I forgot my all time favorite - and I am sure a lot of you will agree FREDDIE MERCURY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Crouse" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 3:56 PM Subject: MM: mm: re: Favorite male voice > So very right you are...and Mr. Lovett can let it rip on stage as well as on record, he's a fabulous performer. > Just to put my .02 in... > Jimmie Dale Gilmore (Spinning Around the Sun is on my all-time top 10...so many hate his voice, I dig it) > Kurt Cobain > Bruce (got the new one yet? I just did, listening for the first time right now) > Lorri Deyer wrote:must not not not forget Mr. Lyle Lovett's voice: gorgeous and versatile > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 21:09:08 +0100 From: "Matthew Smith" Subject: MM: Favourite male voice Nat King Cole He could sing the ingredients on a toothpaste tube and it would sound good EM Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 21:15:00 +0100 From: "Matthew Smith" Subject: MM: RE: Re: mm: re: Favorite male voice I think it was the three part harmonies that they (Queen) wrote that really set them apart from thier contemporaries What about Ian Gillan (Deep Purple) not a technically good voice, but a powerful and distinctive one, nonetheless. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Lori Garvey Sent: 02 August 2002 21:04 To: Jon Crouse; mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: Re: mm: re: Favorite male voice I forgot my all time favorite - and I am sure a lot of you will agree FREDDIE MERCURY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 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