From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #285 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.pattygriffin.net/PattyInConcert.html * OR * go to http://www.atorecords.com * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Friday, August 2 2002 Volume 06 : Number 285 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: 1,000 kisses and art ["Tremmel, Matt" ] Re: MM: Patty Griffin review-I agree ["Lisa Zwick" ] MM: FW: Article in Boston Phoenix about folkies who rock...and their fans' reaction ["Luca, Joseph" Subject: MM: 1,000 kisses and art I agree with Dana. I can't get over how pushing fans can be. i guess that's why fan is short for fanatic. Many people agree that music is an art form. People viewing art obviously have subjective views at both extremes on a particular work. I guess that's where the word critic comes from. 1,000 kisses isn't what I thought it was going to be. It was short, it had songs I didn't think were her best (Chief, Pies...), it had a bunch of covers. But you know what, it's a favorite now. And I get Chief and Pies and I like the covers better than the originals. who wants to always get a similar product or what you expect in the next record? That's what the Music Industry provides or tries to control, a formula. I love Patty because she goes against the grain. She challenges people to like her music and lyrics in whatever genre she chooses. Most of the things that I like whether Music or otherwise are things I've had to take a second look at. It's as if it take some time for something out of the ordinary and then you get it and it is extraordinary. What I find most interesting about 1,000 kisses is that it was a healing record for her. bad experience with Interscope, delays and promises and then no rights to her songs. Her friend told her to just come play some music for fun and record what you want. It's a personal experience we get to share and it's a record where Patty and a few of her closest friends had full control of it's sound or song choices. What a great thing to share in as a fan. And what a great record to be recorded in a few days time. Hooray for artistry and thanksto Doug for calling a friend in need. just a thought. Matt Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:19:23 -0500 From: "dana howery" Subject: Re: MM: Patty Griffin review-I agree so she should just do the same thing everytime....never do anything different...never grow musically. i guess you'd probably like her to just make a "better" record like all of those music company execs wanted her to do, more mainstream. of course they'll think it's great and they won't hold her albums back, never to be released....will they? there's a number of people on this list who have seen her in concert; tell me: do none of you like "mil besos"? i get the impression from the radio shows i have listened to, that audiences really like that song; am i wrong? i turned a friend on to patty and what he likes and i like also is the incredible variety of things patty can do: folk, rock, country, blues, old standards, spanish, french, cover versions at least as good as the origionals and anything else not in that list. Sure, i would like to have all those "silver bell" songs and other unreleased songs on an official cd, but i like "1000 kisses" just the way it it( and i like "living with ghosts" and "flaming red" just the way they are). i'm sure patty's next album will be something entirely different and it won't be 10 songs that all sound alike. it's fantastic that she's (hopefully) now with a label that will support that. i'm going to see patty in st. louis next week and i want to hear "mil besos" along with all the other songs and i can't wait to hear that accordion. hey, it wouldn't be called "1000 kisses" without "mil besos" on the album. dana howery ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:21:29 -0400 From: "Lisa Zwick" Subject: Re: MM: Patty Griffin review-I agree Oops, my bad. I was wrong about the torpedo. I listened to the song much louder, and I heard it...faintly. At normal volume, it's pretty much mute. - -XC - ------ - ----- Original Message ----- > I love Mil Besos live. But it's just not the same on > 1000 Kisses. It's sorta bland after seeing her perform > the song three times, so lively, enjoying herself so > much while playing her torpedo. I don't even hear the > torpedo on 1000 Kisses...did she discover it after > recording the album? > Although I've been listening to 1000 Kisses more since I > saw her live, and i appreciate it more, Mil Besos is > still missing that liveliness on the cd. > > -Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:56:27 -0400 From: "Luca, Joseph" Subject: MM: FW: Article in Boston Phoenix about folkies who rock...and their fans' reaction Howdy--- Perhaps the message without the attachment will go through better... Ciao. -----Original Message----- From: Luca, Joseph Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 8:40 AM To: 'mad-mission@smoe.org' Subject: Article in Boston Phoenix about folkies who rock...and their fans' reaction Howdy--- In light of recent discussions, and on the cusp of Dylan's return to Newport, the attached article might be of some interest. Patty's move from LWG to FR generates a bit of commentary... Ciao, Joe http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/music/other_stories/documents/02366720.h tm Top of Form Bottom of Form ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:52:23 -0400 From: Stephen Golato Subject: MM: RE: My favorite Maleand female voice My favorite male voices: Ryan Adams, Dave Matthews, David Gray, and for something completely different....Aaron Lewis from the band Staind. Oh, and I like voice of the lead singer of the band Lifehouse. Favorite female rockers: Patty Griffin and Pat Benatar. Favorite female voices(not necesarrily female rockers): Patty Griffin, Pat Benatar, Sarah McLachlan, Kate Bush (Hounds of Love CD....Wow!), Tori Amos (first three records), and early Suzanne Vega (first two or three records). Steve "Don't just exist. Live." *************************************************************************** This electronic mail transmission contains confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the person(s) named. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by another person is strictly prohibited. *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:03:21 +0100 From: "Matthew Smith" Subject: FW: MM: My favorite Male voice Yeah, calm down man, it's not like she said NSync or Geri Halliwell. I don't know what people are getting so hot under the collar about. Are you only allowed to like patty and noone else? Get a bloody life (and a worthwhile issue) Sean! EM Who do you like that somebody else on this list might not be ecstatic about? (So we can all flame you!) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Lori Garvey Sent: 01 August 2002 21:38 To: Mad-Mission@smoe.org; beccasean@peoplepc.com Subject: Re: MM: My favorite Male voice Wow Sean - are you a hostile man? Relax - don't take life so seriously. It's good to have fun once in a while dude. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:17 PM Subject: Re: MM: My favorite Male voice > As well you should get shit (or SH*t as you call it) > for liking Creed, but you wanted to tell us or you > would not have said, "You don't even want to know who > my favorite male singer is" or whatever it was that you > said. That's like saying, "There's something I'm not > supposed to tell you" or something like that. > > Sean > > "Lori Garvey" wrote: > > > > > Do you all see why I didn't want to tell you?? I knew > I > > would get SH*t for > > it! > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:03:21 +0100 From: "Matthew Smith" Subject: FW: MM: My favorite Male voice Yeah, calm down man, it's not like she said NSync or Geri Halliwell. I don't know what people are getting so hot under the collar about. Are you only allowed to like patty and noone else? Get a bloody life (and a worthwhile issue) Sean! EM Who do you like that somebody else on this list might not be ecstatic about? (So we can all flame you!) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Lori Garvey Sent: 01 August 2002 21:38 To: Mad-Mission@smoe.org; beccasean@peoplepc.com Subject: Re: MM: My favorite Male voice Wow Sean - are you a hostile man? Relax - don't take life so seriously. It's good to have fun once in a while dude. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:17 PM Subject: Re: MM: My favorite Male voice > As well you should get shit (or SH*t as you call it) > for liking Creed, but you wanted to tell us or you > would not have said, "You don't even want to know who > my favorite male singer is" or whatever it was that you > said. That's like saying, "There's something I'm not > supposed to tell you" or something like that. > > Sean > > "Lori Garvey" wrote: > > > > > Do you all see why I didn't want to tell you?? I knew > I > > would get SH*t for > > it! > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:08:37 +0100 From: "Matthew Smith" Subject: FW: MM: RE: Re: RE: Female Rockers What about Imaani Coppola? 1 album and two songs live on a Jools holland show. She kicked ass EM - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Yaffa Rasowsky Sent: 02 August 2002 00:06 To: Moody, Bryan Cc: 'Lori Garvey'; Willms, Gregory J.; 'LouAnn Muhm'; mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: Re: MM: RE: Re: RE: Female Rockers one hit wonder my ass, listen to her other stuff! and for ani fans, get your hands on *tegan and sarah* ------ faabulous also.. joan osborne patti rothberg kate buuush > > and others I'm forgetting... Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:04:41 -0400 From: "Willms, Gregory J." Subject: RE: MM: My favorite Male voice I'm going to go with Sean on this one. I don't think he's hot under the collar, he was just pointing out that she was looking for attention by bringing it up the way she did. And by the way, Creed is just as bad (if not worse) than NSync of Geri Halliwell. - -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Smith [mailto:mantabirostrisuk@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 11:03 AM To: Mad-Mission Subject: FW: MM: My favorite Male voice Yeah, calm down man, it's not like she said NSync or Geri Halliwell. I don't know what people are getting so hot under the collar about. Are you only allowed to like patty and noone else? Get a bloody life (and a worthwhile issue) Sean! EM Who do you like that somebody else on this list might not be ecstatic about? (So we can all flame you!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 08:14:57 -0700 (PDT) From: beccasean@peoplepc.com Subject: MM: Re: My favorite Male voice Flame away. I guess my faves would be (in no particular order): Neil Young Uncle Tupelo Gillian Welch & David Rawlings Wilco Neko Case Son Volt/Jay Farrar Modest Mouse PJ Harvey Liz Phair the Shins My Morning Jacket Television Richard Buckner Whiskeytown Cracker Marah Jayhawks Gomez North MS All-Stars the Gourds Meat Puppets Ben Harper Slobberbone Kudzu Kings Guided By Voices Alejandro Escovedo Bruce Springsteen Steve Earle the Clash the Jam Dead Kennedys Misfits (old, with Glen) Husker Du Replacements and many many more, but no Creed, NSYNC, or Geri Haliwell. Sean (not hostile, just caustic) "Matthew Smith" wrote: > > Yeah, calm down man, it's not like she said NSync or > Geri Halliwell. I > don't know what people are getting so hot under the > collar about. Are you > only allowed to like patty and noone else? Get a > bloody life (and a > worthwhile issue) Sean! > EM > Who do you like that somebody else on this list might > not be ecstatic about? > (So we can all flame you!) ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:23:02 +0100 From: "Matthew Smith" Subject: MM: RE: 1,000 kisses and art Again, you have got the wrong end of the Stick I love Paul Simon, and you can't accuse him of staying in one place musically. When an artist goes up an obscure and awkward pathway their fans then tend to fall into two groups, the first are ones who already like the musical direction that the artist is heading in. The second is the fans who would convince themselves that they adore anything that an artist cares to record, be it rhythmical farts or synchronised zit popping. The latter of these is the more dangerous than the former, encouraging the artist to make music that eventually nobody will enjoy. I don't want her to re-record LWG. I would simply be happier if I could hear some of her LFML stuff on a proper CD which she will make some money from (sans accordion naturellement) EM Caveat: This email is simply my humble opinion, from my point of view, not a dictat or an attempt to flame anyone. So don't take it personally - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Tremmel, Matt Sent: 02 August 2002 13:15 To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: 1,000 kisses and art I agree with Dana. I can't get over how pushing fans can be. i guess that's why fan is short for fanatic. Many people agree that music is an art form. People viewing art obviously have subjective views at both extremes on a particular work. I guess that's where the word critic comes from. 1,000 kisses isn't what I thought it was going to be. It was short, it had songs I didn't think were her best (Chief, Pies...), it had a bunch of covers. But you know what, it's a favorite now. And I get Chief and Pies and I like the covers better than the originals. who wants to always get a similar product or what you expect in the next record? That's what the Music Industry provides or tries to control, a formula. I love Patty because she goes against the grain. She challenges people to like her music and lyrics in whatever genre she chooses. Most of the things that I like whether Music or otherwise are things I've had to take a second look at. It's as if it take some time for something out of the ordinary and then you get it and it is extraordinary. What I find most interesting about 1,000 kisses is that it was a healing record for her. bad experience with Interscope, delays and promises and then no rights to her songs. Her friend told her to just come play some music for fun and record what you want. It's a personal experience we get to share and it's a record where Patty and a few of her closest friends had full control of it's sound or song choices. What a great thing to share in as a fan. And what a great record to be recorded in a few days time. Hooray for artistry and thanksto Doug for calling a friend in need. just a thought. Matt Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:19:23 -0500 From: "dana howery" Subject: Re: MM: Patty Griffin review-I agree so she should just do the same thing everytime....never do anything different...never grow musically. i guess you'd probably like her to just make a "better" record like all of those music company execs wanted her to do, more mainstream. of course they'll think it's great and they won't hold her albums back, never to be released....will they? there's a number of people on this list who have seen her in concert; tell me: do none of you like "mil besos"? i get the impression from the radio shows i have listened to, that audiences really like that song; am i wrong? i turned a friend on to patty and what he likes and i like also is the incredible variety of things patty can do: folk, rock, country, blues, old standards, spanish, french, cover versions at least as good as the origionals and anything else not in that list. Sure, i would like to have all those "silver bell" songs and other unreleased songs on an official cd, but i like "1000 kisses" just the way it it( and i like "living with ghosts" and "flaming red" just the way they are). i'm sure patty's next album will be something entirely different and it won't be 10 songs that all sound alike. it's fantastic that she's (hopefully) now with a label that will support that. i'm going to see patty in st. louis next week and i want to hear "mil besos" along with all the other songs and i can't wait to hear that accordion. hey, it wouldn't be called "1000 kisses" without "mil besos" on the album. dana howery Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V6 #285 *********************************