From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #283 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.pattygriffin.net/PattyInConcert.html * OR * go to http://www.atorecords.com * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Thursday, August 1 2002 Volume 06 : Number 283 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: MM: Re: FW Lori's favorite Male voice conundrum [amber bass-patterson] MM: FW: Lori's favourite Male voice conundrum ["Matthew Smith" ] MM: Re: Re: Lori's favourite Male voice conundrum ["Lori Garvey" ] MM: Females that rock... sort of ["Willms, Gregory J." ] Re: MM: Female Rockers [Danalee7@aol.com] Re: MM: My favorite Male voice [beccasean@peoplepc.com] Re: MM: Female Rockers [Cheri C ] MM: lori's obsession [Kaycee973@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:00:27 -0500 From: amber bass-patterson Subject: RE: MM: Re: FW Lori's favorite Male voice conundrum concerning creed, dave said, I wouldn't even be able to pick out any of their band members if my life depended on it. the only way i would recognize them is bc they sing a song on sesame street w/ elmo. oh wait, that's the goo goo dolls. i take it all back now. amber "Through Movement We Find Health" The Nia Technique ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:52:34 +0100 From: "Matthew Smith" Subject: MM: FW: Lori's favourite Male voice conundrum PJ Harvey and Patti Smith The original definition of the phrase "Basket Case" EM - -----Original Message----- From: beccasean@peoplepc.com [mailto:beccasean@peoplepc.com] Sent: 01 August 2002 14:58 To: Lgarvey2001@attbi.com Cc: Gregory.Willms@qwest.com; Smaragaid@aol.com; mantabirostrisuk@yahoo.co.uk; mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: Re: Lori's favourite Male voice conundrum I have to ask a question, and I do not mean to offend. I have to make a point first, your assertion that "Everyone liked them until..." is pretty out there. I can't say I have ever liked any note I have ever heard from them, nor does anyone else I know. Now, question, how old are you? I ask because I know Creed appeals to a younger crowd, and you say that there no wome rockers. Have you tried: PJ Harvey (A goddess) Sleater Kinney Liz Phair Bettie Serveert Patty Smith The Breeders Helium Chrissy Hynde of the Pretenders Kim Gordon of Sonic Youth Quasi the New Pornographers (Neko Case's power pop band) Scrawl Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:08:31 +0100 From: "Matthew Smith" Subject: RE: MM: Patty Griffin review-I agree Abso-damn-lutely mate! EM - -----Original Message----- From: glenn mcdonald [mailto:glenn@furia.com] Sent: 01 August 2002 06:48 To: dana howery; mantabirostrisuk@yahoo.co.uk Cc: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: RE: MM: Patty Griffin review-I agree > so she should just do the same thing everytime....never do anything > different...never grow musically. I think you were responding to Matthew, not me, but I'll answer this one point anyway. For me, the "variety" of things Patty can do is technically impressive but not any part of why I like her. If I want to hear country, bluegrass, guitar rock or whatever else, I know lots of other musicians who can do those, including plenty who can do them better than Patty can. I'm not into latin ballads, but I strongly suspect Patty isn't the state of the art there, either. Living With Ghosts, on the other hand, that's an album of a kind of song that absolutely nobody else I've ever heard can pull off. So yes, because that's the one thing I feel only Patty can do for me, that's what I, personally, most want from her. Do I think she has to do that every single album for the rest of her life? I don't know, but turn it around: do you resent my wanting to hear more than one such album in *my* life? glenn Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:23:37 +0100 From: "Matthew Smith" Subject: RE: MM: Patty Griffin review-I agree No, no, and no thrice more I hate "mainstream" music, and beleive me the musical situation in the UK is about a thousand times worse than in the USA. The current manufactured group being forced upon the listening public is called S club Juniors. Her is an idea of what they are like. Take some of the most cringe making rejects from the auditions for the Spice girls/Boyzone, reduce (already vanishingly small) talent levels by a factor of about 500 and make them about 9 or 10 years old, make sure they cannot sing or dance in tune/on time. Get the picture? The artistic progession/growing musically argument always seems to be used as an exscuse to become really obscure and awkward. It almost seems that some performers don't want people to like there stuff and respond to success by dissappearing rapidly up some minor musical alleyway, never to be seen/listened to again. Ritchie Blackmore anyone? Patty just sounds awkward singing in spanish, like a tourist having a stab at the local lingo. There EM - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org]On Behalf Of dana howery Sent: 01 August 2002 03:19 To: mantabirostrisuk@yahoo.co.uk; twasfeedback@furia.com Cc: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: Re: MM: Patty Griffin review-I agree so she should just do the same thing everytime....never do anything different...never grow musically. i guess you'd probably like her to just make a "better" record like all of those music company execs wanted her to do, more mainstream. of course they'll think it's great and they won't hold her albums back, never to be released....will they? there's a number of people on this list who have seen her in concert; tell me: do none of you like "mil besos"? i get the impression from the radio shows i have listened to, that audiences really like that song; am i wrong? i turned a friend on to patty and what he likes and i like also is the incredible variety of things patty can do: folk, rock, country, blues, old standards, spanish, french, cover versions at least as good as the origionals and anything else not in that list. Sure, i would like to have all those "silver bell" songs and other unreleased songs on an official cd, but i like "1000 kisses" just the way it it( and i like "living with ghosts" and "flaming red" just the way they are). i'm sure patty's next album will be something entirely different and it won't be 10 songs that all sound alike. it's fantastic that she's (hopefully) now with a label that will support that. i'm going to see patty in st. louis next week and i want to hear "mil besos" along with all the other songs and i can't wait to hear that accordion. hey, it wouldn't be called "1000 kisses" without "mil besos" on the album. dana howery Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:43:00 EDT From: FlamingRed74@aol.com Subject: MM: Portsmouth, VA Hey guys, Ok, finally some more time for another review. Last Friday, I had the rare opportunity of seeing Patty open a pretty large venue for Lucinda Williams. It was probably about an 8,000-10,000 seat venue.. even though it was only about 70% full. Patty had a rather large contingent of fans there, as evidenced by the LOUD hollers & screams coming from the audience. It was pretty cool to hear her voice coming from the LARGE PA system there, although some soft/subtle parts of the songs seemed to be lost in the "largeness" of everything. A pretty funny thing happened near the beginning of the set. An older gentleman was sitting beside me, and had never heard of Patty before. I can only assume that he thought she was just starting out, because after her 1st song he says "she has potential, one day she'll be pretty good" .. LOL! By the time she played Makin' Pies, I think Patty had a new fan b/c that guy and his wife whistled & cheered her on just as loudly as anyone else... The definite highlight was Top Of The World. She was kind of introducing every song, but instead of introducing TOTW, she just went into it once the crowd silenced their applause from the previous song. It was a GREAT beginning, and the crowd was SO quiet for such a large venue during the opening act's performance. I was pretty surprised at how well this went over with such a large crowd, who were predominantly new listeners. They did the new ending with Doug's guitar solo, and then trailing off until the end of the song, which is a nice touch (in my opinion). Ok, so I'll post the Carrboro & Knoxville reviews later tonight or tomorrow. :-) Whoever went to the Nashville show last night, speak up! I want to hear all about it. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:03:54 EDT From: Jynx419@aol.com Subject: MM: Progressive Patty & Darcie A few nights ago, I found an interesting music station on cable. I can't remember what song made me stop and listen, but within three songs, a Patty song (Every Little Bit) came on. So, I kept the station on and heard from a bunch of musicians I like. I also recognized names of singer/songwriters that the Mad Missioners have recommended. In case you're interested, the station is called progressive from Music Choice. Last night, I was listening to the music & staring at the screen (it's an exciting life, really). They print little blurbs about the musicians they play. So they say something about Bob Dylan, Norah Jones, Beth Orton, Chris Isaak, Patty Griffin, Johnatha Brooke, Ani Difranco, and right in between something about Bob Dylan and James Taylor, they mention that Darcie Miner of the Darcie Miner band is from Pennsylvania. I just about jumped off the couch (in my defense, it was the end of a long day & a wasp stung the bottom of my foot). Anyway, very cool for Darcie. I'm also happy that my music tastes seem to fall into this category. Progressive sounds so much better than cumbayah music, one of my husband's nicer names for what I like. Pam Disclaimer: The info provided is given purely at the whim of the writer. Your experience may or may not reflect that of the person's opinion given. Your mileage may vary. Money back not guaranteed. Listen at your own risk. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:13:52 -0400 From: "Lori Garvey" Subject: Re: MM: Re: FW Lori's favourite Male voice conundrum wow - I didn't know they said that - hopefully it was the one they kicked out of the band for saying they were better than Pearl Jam (or something like that) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:28 AM Subject: Re: MM: Re: FW Lori's favourite Male voice conundrum > I'm a man, & I must say that Creed didn't give me any feeling one way or the > other... until a certan band member said "we are today's Led Zeppelin". > LOL!!! That kind of put everything into perspective for me. Hmm... yeah, > their music is THAT groundbreaking to even mention Led Zeppelin in the same > breath... uh huh... > > As for what the guy looks like & men being jealous. I can't speak for anyone > but myself here, but I wouldn't even be able to pick out any of their band > members if my life depended on it. I haven't watched anything on MTV for at > least 10 years now. > > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:15:27 -0400 From: "Lori Garvey" Subject: Re: MM: Female Rockers I can't for the life of me find anything for Darcie Miner - I have tried. I even checked to see if she was playing in Boston. (I checked cdnow.com) Darcie??? Beth Hart can but she needs to eat a steak and wash up. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:30 AM Subject: Re: MM: Female Rockers > In a message dated 8/1/2002 8:02:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > lmuhm@unitelc.com writes: > > > > > What other female now a days can rock? > > > Darcie Miner!!! > Darcie Miner!!! > Darcie Miner!!! > Darcie Miner!!! > > Oh, and Beth Hart, Bree Sharp, and Shannon Curfman aren't too bad either. > :-) > > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:16:04 -0400 From: "Lori Garvey" Subject: MM: Re: Re: Lori's favourite Male voice conundrum Don't resign because of me. We all still love Patty Griffin. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:41 AM Subject: MM: Re: Lori's favourite Male voice conundrum > After almost two years, I think I might have to resign > from this list now. Creed? > > > Sean > > > On Wed, 31 July 2002, "Lori Garvey" wrote: > > > > > Good choice - but it's Scott Stapp. Creed. I love them > > - I can't help it. how > > cute is he?????? > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 10:52:31 -0700 From: MH Subject: Re: MM: Female Rockers Is my memory failing or didn't this discussion already happen here? It's only my opinion but Melissa Etheridge is THE female rocker, suprisingly unmentioned so far, not only does she create the best rock grooves of anyone mentioned here, she also writes great personal moving lyrics at the same time. That's a double play that's difficult for any musician. At the risk of starting another firestorm: a reunion of Led Zeppelin roadies would make better music than Creed on their best day. Gimme a break. Laters- MH in LA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:16:16 -0400 From: "Willms, Gregory J." Subject: MM: Females that rock... sort of If you can appreciate a truly beautiful female alto voice and timeless music, check out Mary Fahl's old group, October Project. They have two albums, I recommend only the first. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:37:36 -0400 From: "Lori Garvey" Subject: MM: My favorite Male voice Do you all see why I didn't want to tell you?? I knew I would get SH*t for it! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:28 AM Subject: Re: MM: Re: FW Lori's favourite Male voice conundrum > I'm a man, & I must say that Creed didn't give me any feeling one way or the > other... until a certan band member said "we are today's Led Zeppelin". > LOL!!! That kind of put everything into perspective for me. Hmm... yeah, > their music is THAT groundbreaking to even mention Led Zeppelin in the same > breath... uh huh... > > As for what the guy looks like & men being jealous. I can't speak for anyone > but myself here, but I wouldn't even be able to pick out any of their band > members if my life depended on it. I haven't watched anything on MTV for at > least 10 years now. > > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:10:06 EDT From: Danalee7@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Female Rockers In a message dated 8/1/02 10:55:45 AM, jimilives@mindspring.com writes: << It's only my opinion but Melissa Etheridge is THE female rocker, >> Yup and Indigo Girls stand there too. I saw Melissa at Sedona a couple of years ago and she was really rocking along with her audience- Indigo Girls a couple of weeks ago- same. Both are awesome live. Dana in Berkeley ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 13:17:51 -0700 (PDT) From: beccasean@peoplepc.com Subject: Re: MM: My favorite Male voice As well you should get shit (or SH*t as you call it) for liking Creed, but you wanted to tell us or you would not have said, "You don't even want to know who my favorite male singer is" or whatever it was that you said. That's like saying, "There's something I'm not supposed to tell you" or something like that. Sean "Lori Garvey" wrote: > > Do you all see why I didn't want to tell you?? I knew I > would get SH*t for > it! ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 16:26:39 -0400 From: Cheri C Subject: Re: MM: Female Rockers I would have to add Michelle Malone from Atlanta to this list. Try her album 'Beneath the Devil Moon'....talk about rocking! Try any other of her other albums for tastes of folk, blues, country, and everything in between....... www.michellemalone.com Enjoy!!! Danalee7@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/1/02 10:55:45 AM, jimilives@mindspring.com writes: > > << It's only my opinion but Melissa Etheridge is THE female rocker, >> > Yup and Indigo Girls stand there too. I saw Melissa at Sedona a couple of > years ago and she was really rocking along with her audience- Indigo Girls a > couple of weeks ago- same. Both are awesome live. > Dana in Berkeley ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:28:17 EDT From: Kaycee973@aol.com Subject: MM: lori's obsession isnt this a patty list? while i am all for discussing other music on here.. i think this has gone too far. B'b".B8B8.B7B4B(`{b"}B4B(`B7.B8B8 .b"B' B'b".B8B8.B7B4B(`{b"Kimb"}B4B(`B7.B8B8.b"B' B'b".B8B8.B7B4B(`{b"}B4B(`B7. B8B8.b"B' ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V6 #283 *********************************