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A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Thursday, August 1 2002 Volume 06 : Number 282 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: KFOG [Amy Leonard ] Re: MM: Patty Griffin review-I agree ["dana howery" ] MM: RE: Female Rockers ["Willms, Gregory J." ] MM: Whitaker Center Tree branch/leaf stuff ["Steve Capes" ] MM: RE: RE: Female Rockers ["Willms, Gregory J." ] MM: Re: Lori's favourite Male voice conundrum [beccasean@peoplepc.com] MM: Re: Lori's favourite Male voice conundrum [beccasean@peoplepc.com] MM: Southgate House, Kentucky [Gashlycrumb@aol.com] MM: Female Rockers ["Rob Hanning" ] Re: MM: Patty Griffin review-I agree [xenacrazy@att.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 22:51:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy Leonard Subject: MM: KFOG Hey All, Got a heads up for you. Patty is featured on SF radios KFOG, on their Live from the Archives show this week. Just caught it tonight, thank god!!!!! But, for anyone that missed it, the show will replay on Sunday night at 8pm PST on KFOG or at www.kfog.com. Pretty good mini-set they have from her- Making Pies, Chief(along with a nice story about why she wrote it), and Rain. Check it out if you get the chance! Have a good one, Amy Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:19:23 -0500 From: "dana howery" Subject: Re: MM: Patty Griffin review-I agree so she should just do the same thing everytime....never do anything different...never grow musically. i guess you'd probably like her to just make a "better" record like all of those music company execs wanted her to do, more mainstream. of course they'll think it's great and they won't hold her albums back, never to be released....will they? there's a number of people on this list who have seen her in concert; tell me: do none of you like "mil besos"? i get the impression from the radio shows i have listened to, that audiences really like that song; am i wrong? i turned a friend on to patty and what he likes and i like also is the incredible variety of things patty can do: folk, rock, country, blues, old standards, spanish, french, cover versions at least as good as the origionals and anything else not in that list. Sure, i would like to have all those "silver bell" songs and other unreleased songs on an official cd, but i like "1000 kisses" just the way it it( and i like "living with ghosts" and "flaming red" just the way they are). i'm sure patty's next album will be something entirely different and it won't be 10 songs that all sound alike. it's fantastic that she's (hopefully) now with a label that will support that. i'm going to see patty in st. louis next week and i want to hear "mil besos" along with all the other songs and i can't wait to hear that accordion. hey, it wouldn't be called "1000 kisses" without "mil besos" on the album. dana howery ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:51:05 -0400 From: "Willms, Gregory J." Subject: RE: MM: Re: FW Lori's favourite Male voice conundrum Oh good god, it's worse than I ever could have possibly imagined... >Good choice - but it's Scott Stapp. Creed. I love them - I can't help it. >how >cute is he?????? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:11:37 -0400 From: "Lori Garvey" Subject: Re: MM: Re: FW Lori's favourite Male voice conundrum Greg - you grew up with The Beatles (who I love), I wouldn't expect you to like them. This is okay - most men don't like Creed anyway. When they first came out and no one saw them, everyone liked them until the video "Higher". Most men are jealous. ANYWAY, back to Patty. What other female now a days can rock? I can't think of any that are that good. Too bad. Patty needs more exposure and needs to tour with a full band. Although I absolutely love her tour now, I just want to see it live. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willms, Gregory J." To: "'Lori Garvey'" ; ; ; Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:51 AM Subject: RE: MM: Re: FW Lori's favourite Male voice conundrum > Oh good god, it's worse than I ever could have possibly imagined... > > >Good choice - but it's Scott Stapp. Creed. I love them - I can't help it. > >how > >cute is he?????? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 07:01:21 -0500 From: LouAnn Muhm Subject: MM: Female Rockers > What other female now a days can rock? Ani DiFranco Bonnie Raitt Bif Naked The Indigo Girls and others I'm forgetting... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:10:49 -0400 From: "Willms, Gregory J." Subject: MM: RE: Female Rockers Tori Amos Kim Deal Juliana Hatfield Luscious Jackson Liz Phair Amy Rigby PJ Harvey ...to name a few. > What other female now a days can rock? Ani DiFranco Bonnie Raitt Bif Naked The Indigo Girls and others I'm forgetting... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:33:10 -0400 From: "Steve Capes" Subject: MM: Whitaker Center Tree branch/leaf stuff Been out of loop for a long time now. Any chance of a copy of this down in Atlanta. Have a few things to trade. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:35:51 -0400 From: "Lori Garvey" Subject: Re: MM: Re: FW Lori's favourite Male voice conundrum Greg - my dear. I just noticed that most men do not like then. But - no they are absolutely NOT like Alice in Chains in my eyes or anyone else I know. I love Alice in Chains. Well, it's Jerry Cantrell now, and they are more grungy I think. If Creed had to be compared to anyone it would have to be Pearl Jam, but I don't like to say that - because I think Creed has better music. Just my opinion. Creed is doing very well for themselves right now, if you haven't been noticing. Anyway, about the Beatles thing, I like to try to get a rise out of you - I'm kidding. You probably have a collection like myself. I think Joni Mitchell is one if the best. I play a lot of her music - with all of her awesome tunings - who would not listen to that musical genius. I like basically everything, from Alice in Chains to Earth Wind and Fire Neil Young, STEELY DAN, Norah Jones whatever - if it's good - I'm listening! My song for the day is: Elmo's World. We must all sing that at least once today. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willms, Gregory J." To: "'Lori Garvey'" Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 7:59 AM Subject: RE: MM: Re: FW Lori's favourite Male voice conundrum > Are you suggesting that I'm jealous? Hardly. Scott > Stapp is probably one of the cheesiest lead singers to surface in my > lifetime. Their music is generic and it's a watered-down rip-off of a much > better and truer band... Alice In Chains. Creed is a millennium grunge band > that missed the boat back in '92. A day late and few million dollars short. > I don't think any less of you or anyone that likes Creed, I just don't care > for their music myself. > > And what does growing up with the Beatles have to do with liking Creed? I > like music in almost any form (I will never like rap and will always > consider an art form, but not music). I've got a gargantuan music > collection that spans from Herbie Hancock's Blue Note Years box set to Tool > to Sade to Joni Mitchell. The only connection I can see is that the Beatles > gave me an appreciation for good music, which would be why I dislike Creed. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lori Garvey [mailto:Lgarvey2001@attbi.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 7:12 AM > To: Willms, Gregory J.; Smaragaid@aol.com; mantabirostrisuk@yahoo.co.uk; > mad-mission@smoe.org > Subject: Re: MM: Re: FW Lori's favourite Male voice conundrum > > Greg - you grew up with The Beatles (who I love), I wouldn't expect you to > like them. This is okay - most men don't like Creed anyway. When they first > came out and no one saw them, everyone liked them until the video "Higher". > Most men are jealous. > > ANYWAY, back to Patty. > > What other female now a days can rock? I can't think of any that are that > good. Too bad. Patty needs more exposure and needs to tour with a full band. > Although I absolutely love her tour now, I just want to see it live. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Willms, Gregory J." > To: "'Lori Garvey'" ; ; > ; > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:51 AM > Subject: RE: MM: Re: FW Lori's favourite Male voice conundrum > > > > Oh good god, it's worse than I ever could have possibly imagined... > > > > >Good choice - but it's Scott Stapp. Creed. I love them - I can't help it. > > >how > > >cute is he?????? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:42:41 -0400 From: "Lori Garvey" Subject: MM: Re: RE: Female Rockers Tori Amos? Really, now all I hear her do is breathe. Bonnie - yes of course. Indigo girls don't rock to me - but they are awesome. Okay - now - Ani DiFranco - I just can't do it - I have tried and tried. Once she starts getting freaky with her voice I can't listen. Otherwise her voice is beautiful. I am going to listen to some of those other people listed to see if they can rock. Maybe I can obsess over someone new this week! OOOHHH I forgot someone that does rock. Susan Tedeschi. I can't find any tab or chords for her music if someone has it - please let me know where I can get it. And who sings Mother Mother - she can rock but doesn't have much out. Thanks Ldiddy - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willms, Gregory J." To: "'LouAnn Muhm'" ; Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 8:10 AM Subject: MM: RE: Female Rockers > Tori Amos > Kim Deal > Juliana Hatfield > Luscious Jackson > Liz Phair > Amy Rigby > PJ Harvey > > ...to name a few. > > > > What other female now a days can rock? > > Ani DiFranco > Bonnie Raitt > Bif Naked > The Indigo Girls > and others I'm forgetting... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:08:29 -0400 From: "Willms, Gregory J." Subject: MM: RE: RE: Female Rockers See if they can rock? PJ Harvey rocks more than almost anyone out there. No album collection is complete, and I mean NO album collection, without a copy of Rid Of Me. >I am going to listen to some of those other people listed to see if they >can rock. Maybe I can obsess over someone new this week! >> Tori Amos >> Kim Deal >> Juliana Hatfield >> Luscious Jackson >> Liz Phair >> Amy Rigby >> PJ Harvey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:28:18 EDT From: FlamingRed74@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Re: FW Lori's favourite Male voice conundrum I'm a man, & I must say that Creed didn't give me any feeling one way or the other... until a certan band member said "we are today's Led Zeppelin". LOL!!! That kind of put everything into perspective for me. Hmm... yeah, their music is THAT groundbreaking to even mention Led Zeppelin in the same breath... uh huh... As for what the guy looks like & men being jealous. I can't speak for anyone but myself here, but I wouldn't even be able to pick out any of their band members if my life depended on it. I haven't watched anything on MTV for at least 10 years now. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:30:39 EDT From: FlamingRed74@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Female Rockers In a message dated 8/1/2002 8:02:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lmuhm@unitelc.com writes: > > What other female now a days can rock? Darcie Miner!!! Darcie Miner!!! Darcie Miner!!! Darcie Miner!!! Oh, and Beth Hart, Bree Sharp, and Shannon Curfman aren't too bad either. :-) Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 06:41:23 -0700 (PDT) From: beccasean@peoplepc.com Subject: MM: Re: Lori's favourite Male voice conundrum After almost two years, I think I might have to resign from this list now. Creed? Sean On Wed, 31 July 2002, "Lori Garvey" wrote: > > Good choice - but it's Scott Stapp. Creed. I love them > - I can't help it. how > cute is he?????? ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 08:44:59 -0500 From: nblomgren Subject: Re: MM: Female Rockers At 07:01 AM 8/1/02, LouAnn Muhm wrote: > > What other female now a days can rock? > >Ani DiFranco >Bonnie Raitt >Bif Naked >The Indigo Girls >and others I'm forgetting... The Butchies Susan Tedeschi (already mentioned by another lister) - --nb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 06:57:44 -0700 (PDT) From: beccasean@peoplepc.com Subject: MM: Re: Lori's favourite Male voice conundrum I have to ask a question, and I do not mean to offend. I have to make a point first, your assertion that "Everyone liked them until..." is pretty out there. I can't say I have ever liked any note I have ever heard from them, nor does anyone else I know. Now, question, how old are you? I ask because I know Creed appeals to a younger crowd, and you say that there no wome rockers. Have you tried: PJ Harvey (A goddess) Sleater Kinney Liz Phair Bettie Serveert Patty Smith The Breeders Helium Chrissy Hynde of the Pretenders Kim Gordon of Sonic Youth Quasi the New Pornographers (Neko Case's power pop band) Scrawl I am thoroughly confused. Sean "Lori Garvey" wrote: When they first > came out and no one saw them, everyone liked them until > the video Higher Most men are jealous. > > ANYWAY, back to Patty. > > What other female now a days can rock? I can't think of > any that are that > good. Too bad. Patty needs more exposure and needs to > tour with a full band. > Although I absolutely love her tour now, I just want to > see it live. ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 06:58:05 -0700 (PDT) From: beccasean@peoplepc.com Subject: MM: Re: Lori's favourite Male voice conundrum I have to ask a question, and I do not mean to offend. I have to make a point first, your assertion that "Everyone liked them until..." is pretty out there. I can't say I have ever liked any note I have ever heard from them, nor does anyone else I know. Now, question, how old are you? I ask because I know Creed appeals to a younger crowd, and you say that there no wome rockers. Have you tried: PJ Harvey (A goddess) Sleater Kinney Liz Phair Bettie Serveert Patty Smith The Breeders Helium Chrissy Hynde of the Pretenders Kim Gordon of Sonic Youth Quasi the New Pornographers (Neko Case's power pop band) Scrawl I am thoroughly confused. Sean "Lori Garvey" wrote: When they first > came out and no one saw them, everyone liked them until > the video Higher Most men are jealous. > > ANYWAY, back to Patty. > > What other female now a days can rock? I can't think of > any that are that > good. Too bad. Patty needs more exposure and needs to > tour with a full band. > Although I absolutely love her tour now, I just want to > see it live. ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:10:40 EDT From: Gashlycrumb@aol.com Subject: MM: Southgate House, Kentucky Patty will be here in ONE DAY! I finally will get to see a full set, live performance of Patty. I am more excited that I can think about. I was wondering if she does autographs at the shows? I have not heard anyone say so.. But, have been wondering if I should take a long a cd cover. Anyone? matt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:10:21 -0500 From: "Rob Hanning" Subject: MM: Female Rockers Okay, I'll jump in... I'll second the Ani thing. Saw her in Feb. of this year, and she has gone so much more funky/jazzy. She's progressed far from the girl w/ guitar simplicity. If you even remotely enjoy her discs, you must check her out live. Also...Amanda Kravat...formerly of Marry Me Jane. Amanda has such an amazing voice. I only wish she would play somewhere outside NYC. And I'm disappointed that no one has mentioned Louise Post & Veruca Salt. Perhaps Louise's stuff is a bit too hard for some on this list, but she definitely rocks. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 14:15:32 +0000 From: xenacrazy@att.net Subject: Re: MM: Patty Griffin review-I agree I love Mil Besos live. But it's just not the same on 1000 Kisses. It's sorta bland after seeing her perform the song three times, so lively, enjoying herself so much while playing her torpedo. I don't even hear the torpedo on 1000 Kisses...did she discover it after recording the album? Although I've been listening to 1000 Kisses more since I saw her live, and i appreciate it more, Mil Besos is still missing that liveliness on the cd. - -Lisa > > so she should just do the same thing everytime....never do anything > different...never grow musically. i guess you'd probably like her to just > make a "better" record like all of those music company execs wanted her to > do, more mainstream. of course they'll think it's great and they won't hold > her albums back, never to be released....will they? > there's a number of people on this list who have seen her in concert; > tell me: do none of you like "mil besos"? i get the impression from the > radio shows i have listened to, that audiences really like that song; am i > wrong? i turned a friend on to patty and what he likes and i like also is > the incredible variety of things patty can do: folk, rock, country, blues, > old standards, spanish, french, cover versions at least as good as the > origionals and anything else not in that list. Sure, i would like to have > all those "silver bell" songs and other unreleased songs on an official cd, > but i like "1000 kisses" just the way it it( and i like "living with ghosts" > and "flaming red" just the way they are). i'm sure patty's next album will > be something entirely different and it won't be 10 songs that all sound > alike. it's fantastic that she's (hopefully) now with a label that will > support that. i'm going to see patty in st. louis next week and i want to > hear "mil besos" along with all the other songs and i can't wait to hear > that accordion. hey, it wouldn't be called "1000 kisses" without "mil > besos" on the album. > > > dana howery ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V6 #282 *********************************