From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #188 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.pattygriffin.net/PattyInConcert.html * OR * go to http://www.atorecords.com * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Friday, May 10 2002 Volume 06 : Number 188 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Struggling Artists [brian1964@webtv.net] MM: Silver Bell Track info [Themadtaper@aol.com] MM: Re: I wrote a song about Patty Griffin ["Horwitz, Paul" ] Re: MM: Re: I wrote a song about Patty Griffin [Chris Negrin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 23:56:40 -0700 (MST) From: brian1964@webtv.net Subject: MM: Struggling Artists It is so difficult for singer/songwriters of Patty's caliber to be heard and appreciated in today's shallow, hollow, commercial market, as we all know. I just wanted to bring to peoples' attention another great female artist who I believe most PG fans would really enjoy: Mary Karlzen. If you love Flaming Red, as I do, you really should hear Mary's newest CD "Dim the Watershed", a great album. Songs like Time, Pictures of You, Wonderland, and Harbor Lights rival some of Patty's best. I think it's a crying shame that some of the very best musical artists of our day will go unknown and forgotten. What a horrible reflection on our culture these days. Support Mary. Get her CD. It's worth it. marykarlzen.com. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:56:27 -0400 From: Themadtaper@aol.com Subject: MM: Silver Bell Track info Can anyone give me the exact track listing of Silver Bell? The name's of the songs as well as the order they appear on the CD? thank's Peace be with you David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 08:07:00 -0700 From: "Horwitz, Paul" Subject: MM: Re: I wrote a song about Patty Griffin If I may venture a gentle criticism of this one: it seems a little . . . creepy. Every now and then a post on this list goes beyond the usual idolatry to something that reminds me a little more of a certain young man's love for Jodie Foster. Perhaps a more fruitful approach to writing a song about Patty Griffin, if one is in fact demanding to be written, would be to try to imagine life from her perspective and write from the first person (or better yet, just to emulate her and write from one's own perspective) rather than to use the third person to heap the kind of praise on her that, if it were directed at me, would cause me to double-lock my doors and stop signing autographs in front of the Dakota. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:10:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Crouse Subject: MM: new opener? I see in the May 10 Austin Chronicle (hard copy) in the Stubb's ad it mentions Patty's May 23 Austin show opener as Son y No Son...no idea whether they'll be doing other dates. I've never heard them but it looks like they're a pretty steady working Austin-based Cuban/Salsa band... Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:17:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Negrin Subject: Re: MM: Re: I wrote a song about Patty Griffin I thought it was a nice expression of ones own affection towards patty, in patty's style of songwriting albeit not in the first person. - --Chris "Horwitz, Paul" wrote: If I may venture a gentle criticism of this one: it seems a little . . . creepy. Every now and then a post on this list goes beyond the usual idolatry to something that reminds me a little more of a certain young man's love for Jodie Foster. Perhaps a more fruitful approach to writing a song about Patty Griffin, if one is in fact demanding to be written, would be to try to imagine life from her perspective and write from the first person (or better yet, just to emulate her and write from one's own perspective) rather than to use the third person to heap the kind of praise on her that, if it were directed at me, would cause me to double-lock my doors and stop signing autographs in front of the Dakota. Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:26:18 -0700 From: "Horwitz, Paul" Subject: Re: MM: Re: I wrote a song about Patty Griffin Actually, at the risk of being wishy-washy, I thought my own language was too harsh. To a certain degree, it was perhaps motivated by a cumulative and increasingly uncomfortable sense that a number of posters on this list did not just like and respect Patty Griffin, but worshipped her, would brook no criticism, and apparently were also convinced her music has a miraculous effect on cats. Having not responded to these messages for too long, I let the dam burst in response to the song lyrics, which places an unfair burden on one person's sincere efforts; as for the harsh language, I guess I just couldn't resist the John Hinckley comparison. I'm perhaps a little uneasy about songs of praise and tribute in general, for the same reason I'm not nuts about award-banquet speeches etc.; I fear they're not that interesting. But that strictly personal opinion is no reason to call the song "creepy" if it ain't, and it wasn't. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:01:53 -0400 From: "Sarah Stanley" Subject: Re: MM: Re: I wrote a song about Patty Griffin >no criticism, and apparently were also convinced her music has a > >miraculous effect on cats. i was the first one to bring up a cat reaction a while back and i had to chime in here. i don't find myself "creepy" at all and I certainly don't think Patty is the end-all be-all of music and life in general. But I do know she has a great effect on me and has seemed to effect my cat at times. I have an enormous love of animals and respect for their life and the way i relate to them and they to me. And i KNOW that there are things that animals can tune in to, such as music...i've seen it with my own cat and previous furry companions. There are even cd's you can buy for your cat based on what they like to listen to, (visit: http://www.romeomusic.com/funforcats/) Just as music can be therapy on us humans, it can also have effects on animals as well. Have you never heard of someone leaving some music on for their furry companion when they'll be gone a long day? And just so it's less "miraculous" sounding, here's an excerpt from an article published in 2000 in the Nordic Music Therapy Journal, written by Bjxrn Grinde on the Biological Perspective of Music Appreciation: "Music can have a mental effect on animals as well, exemplified by the study of Uetake et al.(1997) who demonstrated that dairy cows exposed to soothing music are more willing to be milked. There are various accounts of animals, such as birds, dogs and apes, that take a particular interest in music, but dogs who "join in" when people sing probably do so because they have a tendency to howl with the pack rather than because they enjoy the particular song." Meow, Sarah ;) ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ "Maybe I'm a witch, lost in Time Running through the fields of Scotland By your side...." -- Tori Amos _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:14:57 -0700 (PDT) From: beccasean@peoplepc.com Subject: Re: MM: Re: I wrote a song about Patty Griffin Okay, I've been silent on this issue too long, so here we go...back into Jean Teasedale land. I'm sure that whoever it was that cast aspersions as to your cat's....err...furry companion's musical taste was not aware of this ground-breaking piece by the world famous Bjxrn Grinde and his/her article in the renowned Nordic Music Therapy Journal. We all need to be more compassionate to all posters and their pets on this list, after all animals are people too....oh wait, no they're not, but wouldn't it be great if they were? Ruff ruff, Sean P.S. I still hate Jewel and my dogs are big Iron Maiden fans On Fri, 10 May 2002, "Sarah Stanley" wrote > no criticism, and apparently were also convinced her music has a miraculous effect on cats. i was the first one to bring up a cat reaction a while back and i had to chime in here. i don't find myself "creepy" at all and I certainly don't think Patty ....has seemed to effect my cat at times. I have an enormous love of animals and respect for their life and the way i relate to them and they to me. And i KNOW that there are things that animals can tune in to, such as music...i've seen it with my own cat and previous furry companions. There are even cd's you can buy for your cat based on what they like to listen to, (visit: http://www.romeomusic.com/funforcats/) Just as music can be therapy on us humans, it can also have effects on animals as well. Have you never heard of someone leaving some music on for their furry companion when they'll be gone a long day? And just so it's less "miraculous" sounding, here's an excerpt from an article published in 2000 in the Nordic Music Therapy Journal, written by Bjxrn Grinde on the Biological Perspective of Music Appreciation: "Music can have a mental effect on animals as well, exemplified by the study of Uetake et al.(1997) who demonstrated that dairy cows exposed to soothing music are more willing to be milked. There are various accounts of animals, > such as birds, dogs and apes, that take a particular interest in music, but > dogs who "join in" when people sing probably do so because they have a > tendency to howl with the pack rather than because they enjoy the particular > song." > > Meow, > Sarah ;) ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:14:57 -0700 (PDT) From: beccasean@peoplepc.com Subject: Re: MM: Re: I wrote a song about Patty Griffin Okay, I've been silent on this issue too long, so here we go...back into Jean Teasedale land. I'm sure that whoever it was that cast aspersions as to your cat's....err...furry companion's musical taste was not aware of this ground-breaking piece by the world famous Bjxrn Grinde and his/her article in the renowned Nordic Music Therapy Journal. We all need to be more compassionate to all posters and their pets on this list, after all animals are people too....oh wait, no they're not, but wouldn't it be great if they were? Ruff ruff, Sean P.S. I still hate Jewel and my dogs are big Iron Maiden fans On Fri, 10 May 2002, "Sarah Stanley" wrote > no criticism, and apparently were also convinced her music has a miraculous effect on cats. i was the first one to bring up a cat reaction a while back and i had to chime in here. i don't find myself "creepy" at all and I certainly don't think Patty ....has seemed to effect my cat at times. I have an enormous love of animals and respect for their life and the way i relate to them and they to me. And i KNOW that there are things that animals can tune in to, such as music...i've seen it with my own cat and previous furry companions. There are even cd's you can buy for your cat based on what they like to listen to, (visit: http://www.romeomusic.com/funforcats/) Just as music can be therapy on us humans, it can also have effects on animals as well. Have you never heard of someone leaving some music on for their furry companion when they'll be gone a long day? And just so it's less "miraculous" sounding, here's an excerpt from an article published in 2000 in the Nordic Music Therapy Journal, written by Bjxrn Grinde on the Biological Perspective of Music Appreciation: "Music can have a mental effect on animals as well, exemplified by the study of Uetake et al.(1997) who demonstrated that dairy cows exposed to soothing music are more willing to be milked. There are various accounts of animals, > such as birds, dogs and apes, that take a particular interest in music, but > dogs who "join in" when people sing probably do so because they have a > tendency to howl with the pack rather than because they enjoy the particular > song." > > Meow, > Sarah ;) ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:53:57 -0500 From: "Jessica Boyer" Subject: MM: Re: I wrote a song about Patty Griffin i don't think that is the issue here. this list is a place for fans of Patty. all of us have different levels of dedication and varying opinions, as *sometimes* tends to be the case with human beings. Amy Emerman shared her creative work with us, her own personal expression, and the reactions were discouraging. TO AMY: please keep writing. write every song you can. write passionately at the risk of being belittled by strangers. good luck with everything you endeavor to do. i have more to say but time is short... jhesi > Okay, I've been silent on this issue too long, so here > we go...back into Jean Teasedale land. I'm sure that > whoever it was that cast aspersions as to your > cat's....err...furry companion's musical taste was not > aware of this ground-breaking piece by the world famous > Bjxrn Grinde and his/her article in the renowned Nordic > Music Therapy Journal. We all need to be more > compassionate to all posters and their pets on this > list, after all animals are people too....oh wait, no > they're not, but wouldn't it be great if they were? > > Ruff ruff, > Sean > > P.S. I still hate Jewel and my dogs are big Iron > Maiden fans ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:51:01 -0500 From: "Brooke Saron" Subject: MM: RE: Re: I wrote a song about Patty Griffin Yeah...What's the deal? Let's talk about Patty! - -----Original Message----- From: Jessica Boyer [mailto:boyerj@pop.belmont.edu] Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 3:54 PM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: Re: I wrote a song about Patty Griffin i don't think that is the issue here. this list is a place for fans of Patty. all of us have different levels of dedication and varying opinions, as *sometimes* tends to be the case with human beings. Amy Emerman shared her creative work with us, her own personal expression, and the reactions were discouraging. TO AMY: please keep writing. write every song you can. write passionately at the risk of being belittled by strangers. good luck with everything you endeavor to do. i have more to say but time is short... jhesi > Okay, I've been silent on this issue too long, so here > we go...back into Jean Teasedale land. I'm sure that > whoever it was that cast aspersions as to your > cat's....err...furry companion's musical taste was not > aware of this ground-breaking piece by the world famous > Bjxrn Grinde and his/her article in the renowned Nordic > Music Therapy Journal. We all need to be more > compassionate to all posters and their pets on this > list, after all animals are people too....oh wait, no > they're not, but wouldn't it be great if they were? > > Ruff ruff, > Sean > > P.S. I still hate Jewel and my dogs are big Iron > Maiden fans ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 17:39:29 EDT From: MactheMutt@aol.com Subject: MM: Cat Stories In a message dated 5/10/02 2:03:53 PM Central Daylight Time, toricrzy@hotmail.com writes: > I have an enormous love of animals and respect for > their life and the way i relate to them and they to me. And i > KNOW that there are things that animals can tune in to, such as > music...i've seen it with my own cat and previous furry companions. > It's not that we don't believe some music can have some kind of effect on animals....it's that some of us (well at least me) don't share your "enormous love of animals", or of cat stories or cat TYPING. Not to mention the fact that sharing cat stories is like sharing home movies of your vacation in Terre Haute, Indiana or one of those "Let Me Tell You About My Grandchildren" bumper stickers. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 18:03:30 -0400 From: "Lisa Zwick" Subject: MM: Re: Cat Stories Oh, COME ON!! Like no one on this list talks about things other than Patty? It's not like we turned the list into a pet-worshipping list instead of Patty. But with all the varied emails coming from this list, I think you can survive a few written about pets (which were mentioned in relation to patty, mind you) and if you can't, then delete them. No one told you the life story of their pets...we simply mentioned them...and because we thought they had to do with Patty. - -Lisa - ------ > It's not that we don't believe some music can have some kind of effect on > animals....it's that some of us (well at least me) don't share your "enormous > love of animals", or of cat stories or cat TYPING. > Not to mention the fact that sharing cat stories is like sharing home movies > of your vacation in Terre Haute, Indiana or one of those "Let Me Tell You > About My Grandchildren" bumper stickers. ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V6 #188 *********************************