From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #161 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.pattygriffin.net/PattyInConcert.html * OR * go to http://www.atorecords.com * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Thursday, April 25 2002 Volume 06 : Number 161 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Re: "Success" [] MM: NPC: Gillian Welch [] MM: Patty tickets (extras) [FlamingRed74@aol.com] MM: from the MM list manager - a special request - all please read [Mike ] MM: evil on Jewel, etc. ["Gary Jacques" ] MM: Who said what when to who [diamondmask@juno.com] MM: From the Folk Music List [diamondmask@juno.com] Fwd: MM: Re: Jewel, etc [SM082987@aol.com] MM: Off topic post...but some of you might want to know... ["Sanders" ] MM: More West Coast Dates!!! ["Sanders" ] Re: MM: Re: Jewel, etc [FlamingRed74@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:59:08 -0700 From: Subject: MM: Re: "Success" Aaron J Adler wrote: >I >think we should be quite pleased with Patty's current level of "success" >as it allows her to continue making music and touring, playing venues >small enough where we don't need binoculars just to see what she's doing >(or pay $65 for a ticket). Amen to that! As long as Patty (or, for that matter, any other artist I like) makes enough money to 1) pay their bills, 2) keep releasing records, and 3) keep touring, I don't wish for anything more. With "success" comes pressure -- to build on that success, to expand that audience, to become more 'accessible,' to make more money. And next thing you know the artist who you saw at the Troubadour for $8 and hung out with after the show is playing the Universal Amphitheatre at $65 a pop and assigned seating. Call me selfish that way, but I don't necessarily WANT to share my favorite artists with a million screaming teenagers (or even a million SUV-driving soccer moms). IMO (and I'm admittedly new here, so I may be missing something) Patty has something of the best of both worlds -- with those big royalty checks from the Dixie Chicks (and not-quite-so-big checks from Emmylou Harris) she can live comfortably, and still do her music the way she wants to, not the way some A&R guys tells her she should. So, in the words of Maria McKee (who's also enjoying those same royalty checks), "thank God for the Dixie Chicks!" Trent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:07:35 -0700 From: Subject: MM: NPC: Gillian Welch Michael Morris wrote: >Actually I just wanted to agree with Sean when he said that Gillian >Welch's TIME - THE REVELATOR album was one of the best albums of 2001. >It is so awesome and I've never met another living soul who shared the >same opinion. Sometimes when I've caught glimpses of Gillian performing >(on tv usually for various O'BROTHER appearances), she seems shy and a >bit awkward. In that respect, she sort of reminds me of Patty. I find >that completely endearing. Have you seen 'Down from the Mountain,' the concert-film/documentary on the first 'O Brother' concert in Nashville? Gillian Welch is essentially the star of the movie, both in interviews and performances, and matches the above description exactly. When I first saw this movie (which is now available on VHS & DVD, btw) I didn't really know anything about her, but by the end I KNEW I had to pick up 'Time (The Revelator).' It's a real shame she wasn't a part of the 'O Brother' touring line-up (though her replacement, Patty Loveless, is no slouch either). Trent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:16:42 EDT From: FlamingRed74@aol.com Subject: MM: Patty tickets (extras) Hey guys, World Traveller Don Henn has some extra tickets available for some upcoming Patty shows. Here's what he has available. 1 ticket for Somerville (tomorrow) 2 Tickets For the Ram's Head- 4/30 1 Ticket for The Birchmere 5/1 As always, he's offering the tickets at NO CHARGE to any takers. If you're interested, let me know & I will give you his cell phone # to make arrangements to get your tickets. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:48:59 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: MM: from the MM list manager - a special request - all please read Hi everyone :-) Sorry to interrupt this Jewel.....er Patty Griffin mailing list for this, but as list manager I have to (again) address something that has been a problem on this list for quite a while now, and no matter how many times I post on this (three times the last half of 2001), some list members still insist on not changing their habits. Of course some are new here and perhaps new to mailing lists and do not know about this particular quandary, and they are excused, but I hope they realize why I am making this request and change their posting habits. What I am referring to is people who quote ENTIRE posts from other list members in their replies. This is frowned upon for many reasons.... This is a major item in most "netiquette" listings, so it's not just me who this upsets. it's my "job" as list manager to address these issues from time to time. Excessive/unnecessary quoting makes it a lot tougher for people to deal with their daily email, especially so on a mailing list. Those of you/us that read the now-quoted post the first time it hit the list do not need another *full* copy in our inbox, which we still have to wade through to see if the person who quoted the entire post added anything else (original text from them) in the middle of the quoted text. Many people DO do that, quote some text from a previous post, make a statement, quote some more, make another statement, quote some more, make another statement and so on and so on. That is fine as that person is using the all of the quoted text to make the statement and to support his/her point. Also, it's a major pain for the mad-mission-digest readers. The digests contain 20+ list posts in them. When you are reading an individual post you can quickly see if a post's new text is done and the rest is quoted text and you can move onto the next post. However, in a digest you have to continue scrolling until you find the next new post and when the digest is loaded with many entirely quoted posts it makes it very, very tedious. If you do not believe me, head to http://www.smoe.org/lists/mad-mission/ and read digest # 159 & 160 as if you are reading all of this for the first time. (there are worse examples in the list archives, I just chose the two newest digests as an example) Another reason. The above link is the lists official archives. Space is money and posts that are quoted entirely are a waste of archival space, and some posts get entirely quoted numerous times. It all adds up. (this list has been around 51 months now and the archives for this list alone take up 30M of space, and there are over 100 lists at smoe.org. The owners of smoe are often adding new hard drives, at THEIR expense) So, what I am asking is, for everyone who is either always or at times guilty of this, to please edit out whatever quoted text that is not necessary to support what you want to say and only keep in what you need to help make your point. I hope you understand where I am coming from, as this only goes to help each of us better enjoy this list. I am not blowing smoke here...every time I make a post like this I get many replies saying "thank you, it's been very frustrating" etc etc. Feel free to ask if you have any questions, Mike :-) - - * The Patty Griffin/Mad-Mission@smoe List Homepage is at: * http://www.quackquack.net/pattyg * * Rachel O'Brien's Patty Griffin Lyrics Archive is at * http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/3079/patty.html * * Jen Caputo's Time Does The Talking website is at * http://www.pattygriffin.net * * Katie Peterson's Patty Griffin Guitar Tabs Archive is at * http://members.tripod.com/~Lifey/patty.html * * Jerry Zigmont's Flaming Red - A Patty Griffin Website is at * http://members.tripod.com/PattyGriffin * * DuckOfPrey or WhyADuck55 on AOL and/or AOL Instant Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:40:28 -0400 From: "Gary Jacques" Subject: MM: evil on Jewel, etc. Here's an idea. Go to the f-ing Jewel site and post this f-ing crap. By the way I hear Jewel broke a leg and a rib while riding horses at her boyfriends house outside Dallas. Thank God she did not break that fabulous ass. EG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:21:55 -0700 From: diamondmask@juno.com Subject: MM: Who said what when to who What I find more irritating than this vent about Jewel is the fact that people still haven't learned how not to quote entire messages and headers when responding to the point it's difficult to tell where one message ends and another begins...... Copy and Paste is a wonderful function that makes your replies much more readable and succinct. And, it's easy to do. Instead of just hitting "reply" and sending the entire message you're replying to, just highlight the text you want to respond to, and copy it. Then paste it into your message and respond to it. Makes for a much neater and understandable message. For my 2 cents....Jewel was pretty good until she was told to become a model and take herself way to seriously. jiswa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:23:33 -0700 From: diamondmask@juno.com Subject: MM: From the Folk Music List Hi everyone-- With all this talk about Patty Griffin, I had to tell you about the following festival where she is headlining! Along with being the publicist for Signature Sounds I'm also working with the wonderful WAM! (Women and Music) Festival happening this Saturday, April 27th at Mt. Holyoke College in South Hadley, MA. Our main stage line-up this year is really fantastic: Patty Griffin Kris Delmhorst Tish Hinojosa Toshi Reagon Voices on the Verge (featuring Erin McKeown, Jess Klein, Rose Polenzani, and Beth Amsel) Jill Sobule Antigone Rising bitch and animal Alix Olson Doria Roberts Plus special guests! Our second stage line-up includes: Amy Fairchild, Edie Carey, and Anne Heaton. With crafts, artisans, hot air balloon rides, and festival refreshments this festival is not to be missed! For directions and complete festival information, please visit: www.wamfest.com. Tickets are $24 adv./$30 the day of. South Hadley is 2 hours West of Boston, 3 1/2 hours from NYC, 45 minutes from Hartford, and 2 hours from Albany. best, ~flora - -::- : -::- : -::- : -::- -::- : -::- : -::- : -::- Flora Reed Signature Sounds Tour Publicity PO Box 106 -::- Whately, MA 01093 ph: 413.665.4036, f: 509.691.0457 flora@signaturesounds.com www.signaturesounds.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:29:19 EDT From: SM082987@aol.com Subject: Fwd: MM: Re: Jewel, etc Return-path: From: SM082987@aol.com Full-name: SM082987 Message-ID: <189.713f701.29f9f890@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:25:52 EDT Subject: Fwd: MM: Re: Jewel, etc To: MAd-mission@smoe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10564 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/mixed by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Return-path: From: SM082987@aol.com Full-name: SM082987 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:24:04 EDT Subject: Re: MM: Re: Jewel, etc To: beccasean@peoplepc.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10564 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Good thing I caught this last post of yours because I was ready to rip you a new asshole. You can't like Patty and dislike Jewel, really. I have a feeling you are trying to be honest with yourself but you are not.I know what you're thinking, that Patty is misunderstood and Jewel is the child of the media. What if tomorow you see "Tony" played all over MTV and VH1 ad nausuem? Jewel is probably 13 years Patty's junior, you forget that Sarah had the balls to bring Jewel to the Lilith stage in 1998? Does this not mean that Jewel has no room to grow? Who talks about the sleeping in the van anymore except you? What news organization? What radio? Who? You are immature, and you need to give Jewel a break. She probably loves Patty.- brian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:30:34 -0500 From: "Sanders" Subject: MM: Off topic post...but some of you might want to know... To Whom It May Concern: I am not sure if many of you are familiar with this band, but Belle & Sebastian, who are Patty Griffin fans, will be on Late Night with Conan O'Brien tomorrow night (4/26). Just thought I would share that bit of info with the few of you that might want to know. Take care and have a good day. ...eight more days till I see Patty live again...yay! - - Sanders ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:33:52 -0500 From: "Sanders" Subject: MM: Patty Griffin's show in Nashville, TN on May 7, 2002. If you will be in town for Patty Griffin's SOLD OUT show at the Belcourt Theater in Nashville, TN on Tuesday, May 7, 2002, please e-mail me off-list as I have some news to share with those of you who might be interested. Take care and have a good day. - - Sanders ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:39:17 EDT From: Songbird22@aol.com Subject: MM: Patty on Jeff Klein album Patty did guest vocals on this album and Matthew Ryan produced it. I know that there are a few labels interested in him (Interscope one of them). The album isn't out yet, though. http://www.jeff-klein.com/ Check it out. His songs are good! :) And he mentions Patty in his bio as well. jessica www.jessicaweiser.com | www.aftersilence.net new album AFTER SILENCE available 5/15!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:55:15 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: NPC - Re: MM: Who said what when to who jiswa wrote: >Copy and Paste is a wonderful function that makes your >replies much more readable and succinct. And, it's easy >to do. Instead of just hitting "reply" and sending the entire >message you're replying to, just highlight the text you want >to respond to, and copy it. Then paste it into your message >and respond to it. Makes for a much neater and understandable >message. No, that often causes other problems. Simply, it is then hard, at times, to tell what is the new text and what is the actual quoted text, as some people interspace quoted and new text throughout an email if/when they want to reply to different areas of the post they are replying to. If someone did not read the initial post that is being quoted using your cut&paste method, they' might be lost as to who said what, which is partially what caused one misunderstanding earlier today on this list when one person quoted a post of someone who did exactly what you said (cut&paste), and that person attributed the wrong quote tothe wrong person. (hope that made sense!) The better solution is learning how to use "reply" properly and then edit OUT the un-needed quoted text, keeping only what is needed to support your point or remind folks what you are replying about. Mike :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:09:11 -0500 From: LouAnn Muhm Subject: Re: NPC - Re: MM: Who said what when to who > The better solution is learning how to use "reply" properly and then edit > OUT the un-needed quoted text, keeping only what is needed to support your > point or remind folks what you are replying about. Or, in Outlook Express, if you highlight the part you want to quote before you hit "reply," only the highlighted part will be quoted. My two cents. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:11:25 -0500 From: "Sanders" Subject: MM: First of the West Coast Dates!!! Patty Griffin will be playing the Great American Music Hall in San Francisco, CA on Friday, May 31 at 8:00pm. Tickets are $20.00 and are available at ticketweb.com now! They will be available at the box office starting on Saturday. I have a few more California dates, but I am going to wait to post them until I get confirmation. Take care and have a good day. - - Sanders ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:20:40 -0500 From: "Sanders" Subject: MM: More West Coast Dates!!! Patty Griffin will be playing the Belly Up Tavern in Solana Beach, CA on Wednesday, May 29, 2002 at 8:00pm. Patty will also be playing the Aladdin Theater in Portland, OR on Sunday, June 2, 2002 at 8:00pm. Tickets for the Solana Beach show are on sale NOW at ticketmaster.com and at the box office. Tickets for the Portland show go on sale Saturday, April 27 at 12:00pm at ticketmaster.com and at the box office. More dates to be confirmed. Take care and have a good day. - - Sanders ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:28:08 EDT From: FlamingRed74@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Re: Jewel, etc In a message dated 4/25/2002 8:30:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SM082987@aol.com writes: > >>Good thing I caught this last post of yours because I was ready to rip you > a > >>new asshole. You can't like Patty and dislike Jewel, really. >> > Ok, so this may be my 1st negative post to the MM list since I joined many moons ago (other than the blood-sucking Interscope posts.. ) Why in the hell would it be impossible to dislike Jewel, just b/c you like Patty Griffin?? That has to be the most asinine thing I've ever read on this list. That's like saying that if you like Kordell Stewart as a Quarterback , then you can't POSSIBLY dislike Michael Vick as a Quarterback. They're both black quarterbacks, who are very athletic and have a strong arm. Even though they do have some major differences, they both share a few things that make them "comparable". Just because 2 people/artists share some obvious similarities, it doesn't mean EVERYONE has to like them both. To make this musically related, Led Zeppelin & The Who are both INCREDIBLY talented hard rock bands. Personally, I love them both.. but I'm sure not everyone does, and I certainly wouldn't say that someone CAN NOT like 1, and not the other. That's absolutely insane. My personal feelings on Jewel? I've heard a few songs on her Rarities compilation that I liked. I think she's very average/run of the mill as a singer, & I've never really understood the people that say she's an amazing talent as far as singing goes. In my opinion, she's about half the overall talent as Patty Griffin, & she will never touch me like Patty does.. but that's my opinion. There are many people that are touched deeply by Jewel's songwriting, and that's great. She connects with a lot of people, & that's a special thing. She's not my favorite, but I certainly don't think I would ever even DISlike her, let alone hate her. It's ok that there are people that hate her. It's ok that people hate Patty Griffin. You can always find someone out there that hates any celebrity. It my be for reasons that you see as "valid", and it may be for reasons that you find as "stupid". Either way, it's going to happen. You shouldn't fault someone for being different and feeling differently than you feel. You also shouldn't fault someone for voicing that opinion, as long as they're doing just that, simply voicing their opinion. Dave ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V6 #161 *********************************