From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #154 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.pattygriffin.net/PattyInConcert.html * OR * go to http://www.atorecords.com * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Tuesday, April 23 2002 Volume 06 : Number 154 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Patty at the Ark ["Jennifer Caputo" ] MM: Newbie [SarMcl@aol.com] MM: Calvin College ["Don Henn" ] MM: trade [Chris Murphy ] MM: Calvin College Critic ["Don Henn" ] MM: Patty at the Ark [Jynx419@aol.com] MM: RE: Calvin College Critic [amber bass-patterson ] MM: Re: RE: Calvin College Critic ["Jessica Boyer" Subject: MM: Patty at the Ark There really are so many amazing things to say about the show on Sunday. First off, I posted some of my pics: http://www.pattygriffin.net/Images/042102.html One of the coolest things was all of the people I met - I love it when people are friendly and approach me!!!! I met quite a few of you out there - Lori, David T., Ed, Jeff, Kate P (finally), Brad, etc. Saw some old pals, Don, Sarah, Eugene and Debbie. I'm sure there were more.... The audience was packed of old fans and new, young and old. I sat next to David's young daughter (was she about 3?) at the in-store - what a cutie!!! I'm really bad at reviews. Patty was on her game more than ever. She was talkative and comfortable on stage despite being extremely sleepy at the in-store. Yes its true!! We got Nobody's Crying.. and it was most incredible. Has to be in the top 10 moments of my life ever :-) I was completely captivated the entire evening and was left pretty speechless for a while after the show. I had a chance to speak with the whole crew - Doug, Brian, and Michael (both of them). Chatted with the tour manager a bit too about the pattygriffin.net site. The best part was when I spoke with Patty at the in-store and she said that she was so glad to finally meet me!!!! yay!!! man... talk about making my day 1000 times better than it already was! For those who have been wondering where the updates have been on the site, they are coming soon!! I had my final presentation this afternoon so I'm done till the fall! I'll get the site back in order over the next week. I've got tons of goodies to add including a transcript from David Hall of his interview with Patty on april 4th. Patty did Acoustic Cafe here this afternoon but since we don't get it (even though it's taped here) - i'm not sure if/when it aired. From what I gather they air on Sundays.... anyone know anything about it? As always, thanks to Don for ticket and company! talk to you all soon jen www.pattygriffin.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:15:06 -0400 From: SarMcl@aol.com Subject: MM: Newbie Hi fellow Patty fans: I am a newbie to the list. Have been a fan of Patty's for about 3 years now. Actually came across her back in 1999 on Lilith Fair and have had the opportunity to see her many times live. Most recently just this past Saturday in Cleveland. Awesome show!! Anyways, just wanted to say hello and look forward to speaking to you all! Barra(rhymes with Sarah) :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:48:08 -0400 From: "Don Henn" Subject: MM: Calvin College MMers , Patty was a striking figure as she took the stage at Calvin College. Flaming red hair down & flowing , & blood red necklace pendant & lipstick against her pale white skin. The contrast conjured up a few lines from Don McLean's "Vincent" , that I checked out when I got home. "A silver thorn , a bloody rose , lie crushed and broken on the virgin snow. " Great song , that I'm listening to on repeat as I write. If that wasn't contrast enough , she was wearing a black , v-neck , satiny dress with sheer , puffy shoulders , & a leather or satiny half-sleeve that extended from the top of her thumb to a little more than halfway up her right forearm. Being a man , I'm not aware of the subtle nuances of color that women are , so I can't say if it was funereal black , for "Long Ride Home" , or the color that ex-lister Paul once described as "obey me" black : ) Set list: Making Pies Chief Long Ride Home Be Careful Rain Flaming Red / Patty & Doug You Never Get What You Want / solo Poor Man's House / solo Nobody's Crying Tony Ruby's Arms Mad Mission Mary Encore Mil Besos Top of the World Let Him Fly Ballad of Hollis Brown OK ! I was wrong ! After chipping away as much of the calcification around my mind as I could , & divorcing myself from my infatuation with Patty's ending on TOTW , I admit that TOTW is as good a song as any for Doug to exhibit his considerable skills. I was actually looking forward to his solo at the end , & was slightly disappointed that it wasn't as long , or quite as good as the Chicago version. I imagine that when you have a guitar player with Doug's ability , if he doesn't have the occasional opportunity to display it , he would feel stifled. Patty broke a string on "Chief" , & discussed her frustration with the many problems she was having ; breaking a string on the 2nd song , bad hair , wrinkly dress , etc. Fortunately , she knew the source of her problems - "Mercury in retrograde " That damn Mercury ! It's almost as bad as Saturn on the cusp : ) She had a problem with a capo later , & just threw it down on the floor with disdain , & picked up another. That'll show the cursed fates they can't defeat her : ) The first 5 songs were excellent , with "Be Careful" & "Rain" standing out for me. Michael was on the piano for "Rain" , & it seemed too loud at first , but when I narrowed my focus on the vocals , it didn't seem to interfere. The music on both songs was as good , or better , than ever. "Flaming Red" was top-notch , with Doug doing his best work on it yet , including the creative use of feedback at the end. When Doug left the stage after FR , there was a loud OW ! that came from the wings. Patty looked , & we all wondered , but it remains a mystery. Guess it was just a little backstage horseplay. Patty's 2 song solo set was outstanding as usual. She discussed how depressing it's getting to put on the TV or read the news b/c of all the war & turmoil in the world , & said she thought that she should be playing her next song more often , & went into "Nobody's Crying" Now there's some good news that helps balance out all the bad for me. Great version , which , as the music director ( I think ) who introduced her suggested , " Transports one to a better place" Patty seems to be changing the endings on a number of her songs ; the high voice at the end of FR , the whispery one at the end of YNGWYW , & now doing a whispery , scat-like ending on "Tony". "Ruby's Arms" seems to capture me more strongly each time I hear it. Hearing that song is like discovering Patty all over again. It seems like it was made for her unique voice & vocal abilities. Thank you , Tom Waits ! I don't know if it was the superior acoustics at Calvin , or that I was just too lazy to focus at Headliner's but the music didn't seem to interfere with the quiet vocals as it did there. I heard every whisper. Don't have any notes after "Tony" , so I guess "Ruby's Arms" left me dumbstruck. Everything else seemed to be up to Patty's super-high performance standards , & she ended with a new (for her ) Bob Dylan song , "Ballad of Hollis Brown". Great composition & lyrics , with outstanding vocals & music. Patty's choice of covers astounds me almost as much as her own compositions. Her musical sense is unrivalled in my eyes. A duo called Over the Rhine was the first opener , doing a short set. All of their talent seems to be manifested in the incredible voice of the female singer. Sade flitted across my mind early on , & Fiona jumped into it a few times later , but this woman had such a great voice , & abilities to go with it , that it made me wonder why I like Patty's so much better. Wasn't hard to figure out , once Patty started singing. The deep , rich , tonal quality , & the occasional achey-breaky melencholia sound that just captures the heart of anyone open to it. I had the same problem that I've had before with Patty , in that the piano distracted me from her vocals. I guess I'm just an anal purist who fells too territorial about great feminine vocals. I'll definitely remember Over the Rhine , & hope to catch them again sometime. Michael's set seemed to be stronger than any since Austin , in spite of the fact that he didn't do "Elizabeth Lee" , which has become my favorite. I hope it was just due to a shortened set b/c of the other opener. It might be that his set was more varied. A few of them had a lot of similar vocal & guitar rhythms that gave me a sense of sameness. Michael has a level of talent where I think it won't take much to break through to big time. Hope I have time to do Cleveland & Ann Arbor before I leave for the next leg. Don't know how Patty & the band does it. All I have to do is show up , & it's wearing me out. The Louisville show ended around midnight , I think , & they had to travel 300 miles & get to the in-store in Chicago at 12:30. No way I was going to make it. I got my sleep & made it to the concert. Ain't nothing left at all In the end of being proud Patty Griffin "Long Ride Home' Don ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:24:07 -0400 From: Chris Murphy Subject: MM: trade I have a copy of the Star Hill concert that I would love to trade someone for another concert?!?! I recently was at the Chicago show, and saw a case to a videotape in the mens bathroom, So I know you are out there! :-) Let me know C-Dawg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:21:13 -0400 From: "Don Henn" Subject: MM: Calvin College Critic MMers , That review was waaaay too positive. Big disappointment of the night - Patty was delighted with the piano at Calvin the last time she was there , but she never touched a key this trip. No "Night" : ( , no "Peter Pan : ( , no "Mother of God" : ( , and no "Take it With Me" : ( While looking up the "Ruby's Arms" quote , I discovered that Patty does another Tom Waits song besides "Take it With Me". She performed "Clap Hands" at the Nashville "Dancin' in the District" show. I'm always a little disappointed when I find out that a great new song isn't hers. Jesus Christ This Goddamn rain Will someone put me On a train Tom Waits "Ruby's Arms" Don ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:04:23 EDT From: Jynx419@aol.com Subject: MM: Patty at the Ark Hi Everyone! Going to try to keep this short, since there are already a few reviews out there. I had the good fortune to see Patty for the second time Sunday. Thanks to Jen's generosity and LouAnn's misfortune, two of my friends also made it to the show and were in awe of Patty. I really enjoyed the first show, but this second time around Patty was more comfortable up there on the stage. It was the best concert I've ever attended. Patty's voice, Patty's lyrics...like Don says, transcendent! On Sunday, she opened with Mil Besos and I thought, "Oh no, they took away her guitar!" I play a bit, so maybe I took this more personally then I should. Thank goodness, she had the guitar for almost every song. The music has been listed, so I won't repeat it. Loved it when her dog put his two cents in & she stopped, looked towards the barking and said, "I'm trying to have a serious moment, here." Then, she jumped right back into Rain. I was so happy to hear Flaming Red again. Man, I love that song! Then again, I feel affection for a lot of Patty's songs. I was also struck by how beautiful Patty is in person. The Conan cameras didn't do her justice. It was great to meet Jen, Don, Eugene and Ed. Hope to see you again, next time Patty is in town. Oh & I liked Michael Fracasso (sp?). Anybody else hear a bit of a Buddy Holly influence? Okay, enough gushing for now! Pam ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:12:11 -0500 From: amber bass-patterson Subject: MM: RE: Calvin College Critic i'd love to hear her perform "clap hands." does anyone have a copy of the nashville show don is referring to? amber "Through Movement We Find Health" The Nia Technique - -----Original Message----- From: Don Henn [SMTP:donhenn@msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 11:21 AM To: mad-mission Subject: MM: Calvin College Critic MMers , That review was waaaay too positive. Big disappointment of the night - Patty was delighted with the piano at Calvin the last time she was there , but she never touched a key this trip. No "Night" : ( , no "Peter Pan : ( , no "Mother of God" : ( , and no "Take it With Me" : ( While looking up the "Ruby's Arms" quote , I discovered that Patty does another Tom Waits song besides "Take it With Me". She performed "Clap Hands" at the Nashville "Dancin' in the District" show. I'm always a little disappointed when I find out that a great new song isn't hers. Jesus Christ This Goddamn rain Will someone put me On a train Tom Waits "Ruby's Arms" Don ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:42:41 -0500 From: "Jessica Boyer" Subject: MM: Re: RE: Calvin College Critic ditto! one of my favorite tom wait songs ever... > i'd love to hear her perform "clap hands." does anyone have a copy of the nashville show don is referring to? > > amber > Jesus Christ > This Goddamn rain > Will someone put me > On a train > > Tom Waits ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:46:41 -0400 From: "Martin, Sarah J" Subject: MM: Patty Griffin- In Studio Performance tomorrow Patty will be doing an in studio performance on Wed. April 24th at 98.9 The Point in Portland, Maine. It will be broadcast live at noon (eastern time). To listen go to www.989thepoint.com and click "listen now". I won tickets...I can't wait! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:14:10 EDT From: MactheMutt@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Calvin College In a message dated 4/23/02 11:32:32 AM Central Daylight Time, donhenn@msn.com writes: > Everything > else seemed to be up to Patty's super-high > performance standards , & she ended with > a new (for her ) Bob Dylan song , "Ballad of Hollis > Brown". Great composition & lyrics , with > outstanding vocals & music. Oh man, Patty doing Dylan........Sweet. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:07:26 +0100 (BST) From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Ma'eee?=" Subject: MM: 1000 Kisses UK review..........?*##*? Brief 1st listen review Pretty good, but a bit of an anticlimax, frankly. Rain, Chief, Be careful, Making Pies, Nobody's Crying, all pretty good, but all the extra production and intruments tend to detract from the song, not enhance it. It's a bit like Skunk Anansie's first 2 Albums: Paranoid and Sunburnt had a raw, direct quality to it, as though it was recorded at a gig, but without the crowd noise. Stoosh was a bit too over thought out and overproduced, so they returned to thier original producer (Andy Wallace, I think) for the third and final one. I ordered the second down Album at the same time and I was more inpressed with that one than 1000 kisses (please don't flame me too much, my mailbox can't cope with much). They just locked themselves in a barn for 28 days and came out with a master of 15 songs. The various bootlegs (LFML I & II and Starr Hill) show what she is capable of, albeit in very low-fi; and what a huge catalogue of songs she has to choose from. Makes me feel very cheated at the 39 minutes that the CD is. Where is: Unnecessary Standing Still Made of Clay Vertigo Bubba's Sulky Lounge We are Water The Longer you Wait You Don't have me Off you Go Truth I could go on but my memory isn't great. Why dont they do some proper live recordings on her current tour? You could fill 2 CDs with her material with no covers or fillers and still have some left over. This would be the only way non US fans could get to hear these songs as the rest of the world's population does not appear to be important enough for them to tour outside the USA. Mary Gauthier and Catie Curtis seem to manage to acknowledge a world outside the USA. EM A very, very pissed of Brit PS Whoever mentioned the accordian being irritating, I concur, turn it down of remove it altogether. PPS Please bear in mind that I am just trying to express my honest opinion, not trying to have a go at anyone, so please think before any knee-jerk flaming. Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:42:56 +0100 (BST) From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Ma'eee?=" Subject: MM: Fwd: 1000 Kisses UK review..........?*##*? 2nd time lucky? This does not appear to have made it out to the list, even though I sent it 3 hours ago. Sorry if you all get it twice I'm sending it again --- Ma'eee wrote: > Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:07:26 +0100 (BST) > From: Ma'eee > Subject: 1000 Kisses UK review..........?*##*? > To: Mad Missioners > > Brief 1st listen review > Pretty good, but a bit of an anticlimax, frankly. > Rain, Chief, Be careful, Making Pies, Nobody's > Crying, > all pretty good, but all the extra production and > intruments tend to detract from the song, not > enhance > it. > > It's a bit like Skunk Anansie's first 2 Albums: > Paranoid and Sunburnt had a raw, direct quality to > it, > as though it was recorded at a gig, but without the > crowd noise. Stoosh was a bit too over thought out > and overproduced, so they returned to thier original > producer (Andy Wallace, I think) for the third and > final one. > > I ordered the second down Album at the same time and > I > was more inpressed with that one than 1000 kisses > (please don't flame me too much, my mailbox can't > cope > with much). They just locked themselves in a barn > for > 28 days and came out with a master of 15 songs. > > The various bootlegs (LFML I & II and Starr Hill) > show what she is capable of, albeit in very low-fi; > and what a huge catalogue of songs she has to choose > from. Makes me feel very cheated at the 39 minutes > that the CD is. Where is: > Unnecessary > Standing Still > Made of Clay > Vertigo > Bubba's Sulky Lounge > We are Water > The Longer you Wait > You Don't have me > Off you Go > Truth > I could go on but my memory isn't great. Why dont > they do some proper live recordings on her current > tour? You could fill 2 CDs with her material with > no > covers or fillers and still have some left over. > This would be the only way non US fans could get to > hear these songs as the rest of the world's > population > does not appear to be important enough for them to > tour outside the USA. Mary Gauthier and Catie > Curtis > seem to manage to acknowledge a world outside the > USA. > > EM > A very, very pissed of Brit > PS Whoever mentioned the accordian being irritating, > I > concur, turn it down of remove it altogether. > > PPS Please bear in mind that I am just trying to > express my honest opinion, not trying to have a go > at > anyone, so please think before any knee-jerk > flaming. > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V6 #154 *********************************