From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #149 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.pattygriffin.net/PattyInConcert.html * OR * go to http://www.atorecords.com * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Friday, April 19 2002 Volume 06 : Number 149 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: chicago show [Jon Schneider ] Re: MM: Ten ["Don Henn" ] Re: MM: Track Listing Clarification ["Lisa Zwick" ] MM: "What You Are" & "Little God" -- what gives? ["Corey Atkins" ] Re: MM: Track Listing Clarification ["Jennifer Caputo" ] Re: MM: Ten ["Don Henn" ] Re: MM: Ten [Jynx419@aol.com] Re: MM: Re: Track Listing Clarification [Danalee7@aol.com] Re: MM: Track Listing Clarification [Greg Smith ] MM: Bell Silver [PattyGriffinFan@aol.com] Re: MM: Bell Silver [Greg Smith ] MM: My thoughts on the Chicago show ["Rob Hanning" ] Re: MM: CD/MP3 ["=?iso-8859-1?q?Ma'eee?=" ] Re: MM: Ten [OneMoreGirl24@aol.com] Re: MM: Track Listing Clarification ["Lisa Zwick" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:23:59 GMT From: Jon Schneider Subject: MM: chicago show I just signed up for the list and apparently missed the Chicago reviews. I'd love to see them. Is there any way to get a copy of the reviews. I can't believe I missed the show. After 1 week of listening, I have determined that not only is 1000 Kisses Patty's finest work to date, it will go down as a classic album in the vein of Joni Mitchell's Blue; perfect. By the way I would nominate Steve Earle and Lucinda Williams as artists with memorable lines. Great to be aboard ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:15:44 -0400 From: "Don Henn" Subject: Re: MM: Ten Thought of CSNY , but don't know how much is Neil's. Don't know all of Bruce's music , but he's up there. Don't know all of Jackson's , but ditto I went looking for the heart That I flung into that sea of stone Patty Griffin "Boston" Don > Neil Young? Bruce Springsteen? > > On Fri, 19 April 2002, "Don Henn" wrote > > The only other lyricists that > > have such a gold mine of great lines is Dylan > > & Joni Mitchell > Don > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:31:14 -0400 From: "Lisa Zwick" Subject: Re: MM: Track Listing Clarification Actually, I just burn the mp3's straight onto cd. It works fine in all my cd players. My burner actually seems to PREFER that I record with mp3's and not wavs. besides, it would take me forever...literally...to make everything into wavs... I was just wondering if there's any way to copy directly from cd to cd, instead of putting the tracks on the puter first. - -Lisa - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Fotter" To: "Lisa Zwick" Cc: "mad-mission" Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:20 AM Subject: Re: MM: Track Listing Clarification > On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Lisa Zwick wrote: > > > My cd burner won't copy directly from cd to cd. I always just make the > > tracks into mp3's and then create a new cd. I thought this was normal. But > > is there some way to make copying the actual disc work? > > if you ahve the space on your harddisk (about 750ish megs) extract the cd > to your hard disk and then make the copied cd from that. i dont use > windows, but thetool you sue shoule have something that does DAE or lets > you make images - i think easy cd has something called disk extractor, but > ic ould be way wrong. > > encoding the cd tracks to mp3 and then back to wav to burn them onto a > play-it-in-a-regular cd player will impact the sound quality. > > fwiw, i just got a cheap toshiba dvd player that reads cdr/cdrws of burned > mp3 files. nice to have 8-10 hours of music on a single cd. > > m- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 09:41:05 -0600 From: "Corey Atkins" Subject: MM: "What You Are" & "Little God" -- what gives? One of the (many) goddesses on this list sent me "Silver Bell" and I've listened to it CONSTANTLY for almost 2 weeks now. It is sheer brilliance. I hadn't heard either "What You Are" or "Little God" before getting the album, and I thing they're both incredible. Anybody have nay background info or story on the songs? Where they came from, Patty's inspiration for writing them, etc? And I have to say it's a trip to see so much about Patty all over in the 'mass media' -- sort of like how I felt seeing the place where I live all over TV during the Olympics. Kinda surreal (but cool!) - -CA in SLC ******* ******* ** "El teatro es la poesma que se levanta ** ** del libro y se hace humana." ** ** ** ** "Theatre is the poetry which rises ** ** from the page and is made human." ** ** ** ** --Federico Garcma Lorca ** ******* ******* _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 08:43:27 -0700 (PDT) From: beccasean@peoplepc.com Subject: Re: MM: Ten It's funny, when CSNY got back together a couple of years ago, Crosby said that they tallied all the songs that the four of them had written, and it was some number around 1,000 and that Neil had written 750 of them. In my completely biased opinion, Neil Young and Bob Dylan are in a class unto themselves. Patty is great, and if she's still writing great lyrics in 30 years, she'll get an invite to their club. Sean On Fri, 19 April 2002, "Don Henn" wrote > > Thought of CSNY , but don't know how > much is Neil's. Don't know all of Bruce's > music , but he's up there. Don't know all of > Jackson's , but ditto > > I went looking for the heart > That I flung into that sea of stone > > Patty Griffin > > "Boston" > > Don > > > > > Neil Young? Bruce Springsteen? > > > > On Fri, 19 April 2002, "Don Henn" wrote > > > > The only other lyricists that > > > have such a gold mine of great lines is Dylan > > > & Joni Mitchell > Don > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > > http://www.peoplepc.com ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:37:24 -0400 From: "Jennifer Caputo" Subject: MM: Re: chicago show > I just signed up for the list and apparently missed the Chicago reviews. > I'd love to see them. Is there any way to get a copy of the reviews. > I can't believe I missed the show. As soon as I get done with my exams i'll post all of the reviews at www.pattygriffin.net for now - head over to the discussion board because i know a few have been posted there in the in concert forum. - Jen www.pattygriffin.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:40:23 -0400 From: "Jennifer Caputo" Subject: Re: MM: Track Listing Clarification > Actually, I just burn the mp3's straight onto cd. It works fine in all my cd > players. My burner actually seems to PREFER that I record with mp3's and not > wavs. besides, it would take me forever...literally...to make everything > into wavs... > Lisa, It's a super bad idea to burn from mp3's. I would personally never ever accept an mp3 burned discs and if you look at source files from shows youll see that a taper doens't exist that wants their recordings being converted to mp3's because of the huge loss in quality due to the compression. This is a huge debate in the trading world because so many people don't understand that trading mp3 sources shows is just wrong unless the person who you are trading with is aware of it and will not trade it out any furthur. I don't mean to sound nasty but you really should try to find another way of burning shows. - Jen www.pattygriffin.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:48:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Fotter Subject: Re: MM: Track Listing Clarification On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Lisa Zwick wrote: > Actually, I just burn the mp3's straight onto cd. It works fine in all my cd > players. My burner actually seems to PREFER that I record with mp3's and not > wavs. besides, it would take me forever...literally...to make everything > into wavs... > smaller files, easier for you and the puter. fwiw thoug, even with a great encoder (like bladeenc) and high bitrate mp3s, ths the tracks will still loose some souend quality gets lost. but like i mentioned beofre i'm just ripping stuff right to mps and then buring the mp3 files to cd and then playing those on my pc and home dvd player. just gotta find one for the car! > I was just wondering if there's any way to copy directly from cd to cd, > instead of putting the tracks on the puter first. > as the other poster mentioned, two drives - one to read, the other to totally off-topic. anyone out there a solaris hacker? i'm trying to do some load balancing stuff and need to use vrrp. I can only seem to find undocumented implementations of a vrrp daemons for solaris as it'spretty new and used mostly on cisco stuff. i'm having a major stupid moment and can't get it to work correctly. i get it done and i'm outta here for the day. i'll grasp at straws anywhere now so email me offlist if you've got anything. m-p - -- matt fotter http://www.fotter.com/ up 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours 48 minutes ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:35:12 -0400 From: "Don Henn" Subject: Re: MM: Ten Just my opinion , that's all. Ani has one of my favorites quotes ever. I did not design this game I did not name the stakes I just happen to like apples And I am not afraid of snakes Ani DiFranco "Adam and Eve" Don > But really, this list is obviously not limited to 3 people and is greatly subject to interpretation. my 2 cents Ani?? > --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:24:41 EDT From: Jynx419@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Ten In a message dated 04/19/2002 11:52:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, donhenn@msn.com writes:> > > Just my opinion , that's all. Ani has one of my > favorites quotes ever. > > I did not design this game > I did not name the stakes > I just happen to like apples > And I am not afraid of snakes > > Ani DiFranco > > "Adam and Eve" > > I love Ani's lyrics! Lyle Lovett writes great lyrics, too! She hates my mama She hates my daddy too She loves to tell me She hates the things I do She loves to lie beside me Almost every night SHe's no lady she's my wife "She's No Lady" Lyle Lovett ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:47:23 EDT From: Danalee7@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Re: Track Listing Clarification This is really interesting- I didn't even notice altho I was wondering why What You Are was the first song when it is so slow and dreamy- didn't seem like an opener to me. The songs are so different from each other with such varied styles anyway. I am just thrilled to have the songs in any order. Dana ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 13:02:18 -0400 From: Greg Smith Subject: Re: MM: Track Listing Clarification At 11:20 AM 4/19/2002 -0400, you wrote: >if you ahve the space on your harddisk (about 750ish megs) extract the cd >to your hard disk and then make the copied cd from that. i dont use >windows, but thetool you sue shoule have something that does DAE or lets >you make images - i think easy cd has something called disk extractor, but >ic ould be way wrong. Exact audio copy is a good way to extract songs from CD to burn them on to another CD. You can get the program at http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ It is very thorough, checks for errors and it's free. Greg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 13:33:06 EDT From: PattyGriffinFan@aol.com Subject: MM: Bell Silver Um...someone wanna tell me about the Silver Bell track listing mix-up BEFORE I gave a copy to Patty last week?? Sigh. John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 13:42:28 -0400 From: Greg Smith Subject: Re: MM: Bell Silver At 01:33 PM 4/19/2002 -0400, PattyGriffinFan@aol.com wrote: >Um...someone wanna tell me about the Silver Bell track listing mix-up BEFORE >I gave a copy to Patty last week?? Neato! What did she say? She didn't have a copy, herself? Greg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:50:26 -0500 From: "Rob Hanning" Subject: MM: My thoughts on the Chicago show The show last night was my first live Patty experience, and well worth the 5 (?) year wait since I bought the first cd. I'm new to the list today, and have enjoyed reading the thoughts of some of the rest of you who were there last night. I was third in line...big guy with glasses, no hair & a red goatee. Saw the other letters from folks I talked to while waiting. Picking apart performances isn't my thing (I review movies moreso than music), but I'll say this...It doesn't matter to me what instruments Patty has or doesn't have when she's up there in front of me. I'm not interested in the concerts sounding exactly like the discs. If I was, I'd just sit at home and listen to them. I wouldn't be such a massive Jewel freak if it was just about the recordings. What drew me to Patty from the first time I heard her was her voice, and it's even more enveloping in person. Something in it just gets inside me...I thought I was going to lose it last night when she did 'Poor Man's House' and 'Sweet Lorraine'. When you put a voice that 'hits my spot' along with lyrics that mean something to me, well...it just doesn't get any better than that. Music has been my best friend since I was a tortured teenager, and artists who touch me like Patty does are few and far between. Hopefully it won't be too long before I can see her again. Rob - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 19:31:17 +0100 (BST) From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Ma'eee?=" Subject: Re: MM: CD/MP3 A little advice I you go from CD to mp3 you are losing at least 93 percent of the data on the original (93% of the musical detail) so putting back onto a CD from that is pointless. There is a piece of freeware called WinDac32 (look for it with www.google.com) This will extract all the data from a CD to your hard drive. Then write it to CD. Don't rip it to mp3 first. If patty were on the radio, you would bother to tune it properly wouldn't you? Good luck with your burning EM --- Lisa Zwick wrote: > My cd burner won't copy directly from cd to cd. I > always just make the > tracks into mp3's and then create a new cd. I > thought this was normal. But > is there some way to make copying the actual disc > work? > > -Lisa > > ----- > > > You have to be careful copying direct from disc to > disc. Unless you have a > super-fast machine with crazy RAM, you are likely to > get glitches on the CD > as it is very taxing for your machine to run two > CDROM drives at once. Use > Exact Audio Copy to rip the tracks from the CD... it > checks for errors as it > is doing so, then burn them to CD again. If you burn > a CD from your hard > drive the chance of errors is much slimmer. > > > > Greg Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:53:30 EDT From: OneMoreGirl24@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Ten I agree with Dylan and Joni, but there is still a lyrical genius among us... Adam Duritz, from the Counting Crows. There aren't many out there these days, but I wouldn't want to forget him! Eryn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:16:45 -0400 From: "Lisa Zwick" Subject: Re: MM: Track Listing Clarification Well I wasn't talking about shows. I haven't burned any shows. The one show I attempted to record, I used a tape recorder, and altho the tape sounded fine, I couldn't get it clear on my computer. I'm talking about just copying a cd for myself or someone else...say Silverbell. What i do now is make them into mp3's first and then record to cd. Which is the same thing I would be doing if I d/led the mp3's off Audiogalaxy, but without the d/ling. I was jsut wondering if there's a way to do this without making the mp3's at all, and just copying the disc. Not necessarily shows. We may be talking about two totall different things here... - -Lisa - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Caputo" To: "Lisa Zwick" ; "mad-mission" Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:40 AM Subject: Re: MM: Track Listing Clarification > > > > Actually, I just burn the mp3's straight onto cd. It works fine in all my > cd > > players. My burner actually seems to PREFER that I record with mp3's and > not > > wavs. besides, it would take me forever...literally...to make everything > > into wavs... > > > Lisa, > It's a super bad idea to burn from mp3's. I would personally never ever > accept an mp3 burned discs and if you look at source files from shows youll > see that a taper doens't exist that wants their recordings being converted > to mp3's because of the huge loss in quality due to the compression. This > is a huge debate in the trading world because so many people don't > understand that trading mp3 sources shows is just wrong unless the person > who you are trading with is aware of it and will not trade it out any > furthur. > > I don't mean to sound nasty but you really should try to find another way of > burning shows. > > - Jen > www.pattygriffin.net ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V6 #149 *********************************