From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #146 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.pattygriffin.net/PattyInConcert.html * OR * go to http://www.atorecords.com * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Thursday, April 18 2002 Volume 06 : Number 146 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: Silver Bell [katnjeffnfam@attbi.com] MM: Favourite lyrics ["=?iso-8859-1?q?Ma'eee?=" ] Re: MM: Patty on the Billboard Album list [FlamingRed74@aol.com] MM: "Silver Bell" Track Listing ["Sanders" ] MM: Silver Bell [Lisa071573@aol.com] MM: RE: "Silver Bell" Track Listing ["Dave Short" ] MM: Re: RE: "Silver Bell" Track Listing ["folkyboy" Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:17:49 EDT > From: DLMSRM@aol.com > Subject: MM: Silver Bell > > I keep reading how wonderful the Silver Bell CD is. Does anyone know how I > can get a copy?? > Diane > > ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:43:00 +0100 (BST) From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Ma'eee?=" Subject: MM: Favourite lyrics Can't beleive nobody has put Laughing like a fool on fire so count your ribs and say your prayers and get to sleep EM Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:08:45 -0400 From: "Gary Jacques" Subject: MM: Evil Speaks Re: beautifully written piece on patti That was one of the best damn things I ever read about Patty. She is transcendent. EG - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 5:07 PM Subject: MM: beautifully written piece on patti SlateMagazine_039073@msnnewsletters.customer-email.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:01:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Short Subject: MM: Slate article The slate article without the bleeps-n-blurps. Great article!!!!! Songwriter Savant Where do Patty Griffin's songs come from? By Daniel Menaker Posted Wednesday, April 17, 2002, at 12:51 PM PT Songwriters often say that they don't know where their works come from, that they seem to come from outside themselves. In any given interview you might hear Bono, Alanis Morissette, Gillian Welch, or John Hiatt say so. Last week I talked to the accomplished and idiosyncratic country/pop/folk/whatever singer/songwriter Patty Griffinon the day before the release of her third CD, 1000 Kisses (ATO Records)and she was insistent on this very point: that there is something bigger than just herself involved in writing her songs. For a long time, these kinds of artistic disavowals struck me as coy, or merely attempts at modesty, or, conversely, grandiose claims of divine or spiritual inspiration. Or as an effort to inject interest and connectedness into a process that is often lonely, tedious, frustrating, heartbreaking, and unsuccessful. But recently, with 40 years' worth of listening and editing and writing experience perhaps reaching a critical mass, I've come to realize that most people who make this sort of artist-savant claim actually believe and mean exactly what they say. Griffin is a good case in point. Like many songwriters (her work has been covered by the likes of Emmylou Harris and the Dixie Chicks), she sometimes starts with the musicwith a phrase or a bit of melody, with a guitar riffand the words come later. But when they do, "they seem to come from nowhere," she says"they just sort of pop out." At other times, she simply sits and makes silly rhymes. "For 20 minutes or a half an hour I'll just make nonsense rhymes or just rhymes about my dog," she says. "And then serious ones begin to happen." Songwriting can be a physical discipline for her, as well. "Often I have to move my body in a certain way, like exercising, to begin to get into the right rhythm for writing a song." When she said this, she moved her shoulders around in a swimming kind of way, to show what she meant. (Onstage, when she isn't playing the guitar, Griffin's arms become anemonelike, tentacular, in a distinctive, wavy style; from far awayas when I saw her open for the Dixie Chicks at Radio City Music Hall a while back, and, before that, for Harris at the Beacon Theater in New Yorkthese movements look mannered, but closer up, they seemed entirely natural.) Her lyrics, which often repeat themselves in repeated musical phrases, are trancelike, as wellas if the author were in some way possessed. In "Mary," an anthemic three-chord song whose words appear to marry Jesus' mother and Mary Magdalene and Everywoman, from Griffin's second CD, she sings: Mary, You're covered in roses You're covered in ashes You're covered in rain You're covered in babies, You're covered in slashes, You're covered in wilderness, You're covered in stains. And from the new CD, in "Be Careful," another three- or four-chorder, similarly poignant about the general lot of women: "Be careful how you bend me/ Be careful where you send me/ Careful how you end me ..." This chorus is preceded by haunting and even more incantational verses that are essentially lists of women in different attitudes and situations ("All the girls on the telephone/ All the girls sitting all alone " etc.). It's not surprising that Griffin and many others like her honestly feel in the grip of something "beyond" themselves, feel "inspired" (a word whose root means "breathe in," as the oracle breathed in psychoactive fumes at Delphi), when they are writing music. These creative experiences have a long, grand tradition and literature. (Plato, an early proponent of this idea, says that "all good poets, epic as well as lyric, composed their beautiful poems not by art but because they are inspired and possessed.") What did come as something of a surprise to me in our conversation was the vehemence of Griffin's resistance to the possibility that she and she alone is responsible for her music. When I said I thought that "inspiration" might actually not be anything mystical but just the unconscious, creative right brain delivering artifacts to the conscious left hemisphere, she not only disagreed but seemed upset about the notion. "There has be something more than that," she said. "The mystery is beyond that. The fact that you're writing about experiences you've never had shows that. I mean, sometimes the whole room alters when I'm writing a song." Part of Griffin's unwillingness to take full authorial credit for her work may have to do with the fact that she appears to be a truly self-effacing person, and she has known hard times: a bad marriage, six years of waitressing at Pizzeria Uno in Boston, classic record-industry horror stories. She is one of seven children, was born in Old Town, Maine, and is from a family that has had to work hard for a living. She has lived and feels keenly the lot of the marginal, especially working-class women and outcasts of various kinds. Her songs reflect often these concerns: "Tony," about a gay boy in high school "with breasts like a girl" who commits suicide; "Making Pies," on the new CD, about a bakery worker who does the same tedious job every day in order to make a living; the quasi-feminist songs "Mary" and "Be Careful"; Bruce Springsteen's "Stolen Car"; "Chief," on the new CD, about a nonfunctional Native American Army vet; etc. When she talks about these songs, it's clear that she wants them to express, in their lyrical way, the suffering associated with broad social problems. She says, for example: "There's an imbalance when if a woman goes out for a walk at 3 in the morning and something happens to her it was somehow her fault, and with a man that's not true." So it makes sense that she would believe so passionately that she is somehow channeling these elegiac, quasi-protest songs. She needs to believe that she is being spoken through, and may fear that taking the creditbeing a musical auteurwill undermine what she sees as a sort of mission. In a limited way, she's wrong, as every other artist and Plato are when they assert that the human artist is the instrument of some greater force. Unless the person involved is one of the many plagiarists at large these days, he and he alone made the work. But in a broader way she's quite right. The brain is, from one way of looking at it, the receptaclethe vesselfor all kinds of information, data, stimuli from the outside world, and, often without any intellectual plan, the mind of the artist will synthesize and structure and give emotional depth to some portion of these stimuli, will chew them up, and spit out art. In that way the artist is an instrument after allan instrument played by the inchoate world around him ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:30:32 EDT From: FlamingRed74@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Patty on the Billboard Album list Thanks to Marc for posting the link to the sales info for this week! I had been meaning to look up all of that stuff while I was online, but kept forgetting! Patty's in at # 7. Wow! Simply Amazing! You go girl! LOL Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:33:22 -0500 From: "Sanders" Subject: MM: "Silver Bell" Track Listing Ahem! For those of you who keep asking for the "Silver Bell" track listing, listen up. The track listing for "Silver Bell" is as follows: 1) Little God 2) Boston 3) Perfect White Girls 4) Truth #2 5) What You Are 6) Silver Bell 7) Driving 8) Sooner Or Later 9) Top Of The World 10) Sorry And Sad 11) Making Pies 12) Mother Of God 13) One More Girl 14) Standing So, there you go. Take care and have a good day. - - Sanders ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 19:02:17 EDT From: Lisa071573@aol.com Subject: MM: Silver Bell I saw few posts about Silver Bell... Is there a bootleg copy floating around somewhere?? I'd love a copy if there is :) Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:42:19 -0500 From: "Dave Short" Subject: MM: RE: "Silver Bell" Track Listing The copy I have has the following track listing: 1. What You Are 2. Truth #2 3. Top of the World 4. Standing 5. Sorry and Sad 6. Sooner or Later 7. Silver Bell 8. Perfect White Girl 9. One More Girl 10. Mother of God 11. Making Pies 12. Little God 13. Driving 14. Boston Not a home-made or .mp3ed disc. Dave - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Sanders Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 5:33 PM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: "Silver Bell" Track Listing Ahem! For those of you who keep asking for the "Silver Bell" track listing, listen up. The track listing for "Silver Bell" is as follows: 1) Little God 2) Boston 3) Perfect White Girls 4) Truth #2 5) What You Are 6) Silver Bell 7) Driving 8) Sooner Or Later 9) Top Of The World 10) Sorry And Sad 11) Making Pies 12) Mother Of God 13) One More Girl 14) Standing So, there you go. Take care and have a good day. - - Sanders ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:39:46 -0500 From: "folkyboy" Subject: MM: Re: RE: "Silver Bell" Track Listing i do know someone decided to CHANGE the track listing to suit their own purpose and then trade their copy out. maybe thats how you got it that way? my copy is the 1st track lisiting ~tim - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Short" To: "PGriffin List" Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 9:42 PM Subject: MM: RE: "Silver Bell" Track Listing > The copy I have has the following track listing: > > 1. What You Are > 2. Truth #2 > 3. Top of the World > 4. Standing > 5. Sorry and Sad > 6. Sooner or Later > 7. Silver Bell > 8. Perfect White Girl > 9. One More Girl > 10. Mother of God > 11. Making Pies > 12. Little God > 13. Driving > 14. Boston > > Not a home-made or .mp3ed disc. > > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org]On > Behalf Of Sanders > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 5:33 PM > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > Subject: MM: "Silver Bell" Track Listing > > > Ahem! For those of you who keep asking for the "Silver Bell" track > listing, listen up. The track listing for "Silver Bell" is as follows: > > 1) Little God > 2) Boston > 3) Perfect White Girls > 4) Truth #2 > 5) What You Are > 6) Silver Bell > 7) Driving > 8) Sooner Or Later > 9) Top Of The World > 10) Sorry And Sad > 11) Making Pies > 12) Mother Of God > 13) One More Girl > 14) Standing > > So, there you go. Take care and have a good day. > > - Sanders ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:41:46 -0500 From: "Sandi Campbell" Subject: MM: RE: Borders/Park West - My 2 cents So it was us you met at the Park West, Randy. But I do feel it necessary to put in my .02 here on Patty's show. It seems as if everyone wants to nitpick the crap out of the performance (this and every other one, so it's not just you), but still say how much they enjoyed it. Personally, I don't know how you can nit pick so much and still enjoy anything. Don't get me wrong, I think you were a nice guy, I'm not trying to be mean, although I'm sure this will probably shoot some flames in my direction because that's the way things go, but it's all my own opinion. Anyway, I thoroughly enjoyed every second, millisecond, nanosecond, of Patty and the rest of her ensemble (pronounced with a French accent, which Patty seemed to get a giggle out of) performed last night. I was there to enjoy it, not to sit there and scrutinize just so I can say I'm a better fan for being picky. I'm not a better or worse fan for it, I'm just a fan. A huge fan. Just like everyone else on this list. I'm not going to post a lengthy, wordy review of the concert, because I don't think it's necessary. It was fabulous. It was beyond fabulous. It was beyond description. I was blown away. I want more. I don't have the set list, although I could probably name most of the songs she did. I was mostly mesmerized. How could you not be? And I was even more excited to see the place packed to the gills with all those people. Go Patty! And a huge thanks to ATO, they deserve it here, big time. And now I'm done. Flame away, if you must. - -Sandi "Everything before is gone, or going somewhere" - Patty Griffin - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org]On Behalf Of MactheMutt@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:10 AM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: Borders/Park West Saw Patty today at Borders and at the Park West. Her voice is just awesome..no other way to describe it, she is flawless. I enjoyed the Borders performance of "Making Pies" so much I got goosebumbs. That's my fave song off 1M Kisses...."You can cry or die...or just make pies all day"....I love that line. "Mil Besos" at PW was very cool and got, probably the most enthusiastic response from the crowd and as Dave mentioned..Waits' "Ruby's Arms" was beautiful. She also did Stolen Car, Chief, Rain, Long Ride Home and (encore) Tommorrow Night off the new CD. I was dissapointed not to hear..."Reprise" (hee hee) Patty was gorgeous and charming. Her band on the other hand seemed to be kind of ...not clicking, not near as tight as they were on ACL or West54th...and please somebody...get that girl a drummer. Doug Lancio was doing his best The Edge (U2) impersonation, his style sounds so much like 80's U2 it's scary...but for a band that's been playing together as long as they have been...they seemed to be a little "off". "Mary" did not sound a whole lot like "Mary"...'cept for the lyrics. On one song, Lancio and the Cello player Brian Standefer (BTW Brian..."killer boots man") seemed to simultaneously break into a solo at the same time. (redundant?) Ramos..the Accordian/Keyboardist ran out of juice in his accordian and had to borrow a battery from Doug in the middle of a song and worst of all....Patty broke the high E string on her Gibson towards the beginning of the show, and used another guitar the rest of the night. PLUS, I coulda used a couple more Flaming Red songs, altho I gotta admit..."Flaming Red" without drums wasn't near as good. Sounds like I'm complaining...but really...my wife and I both enjoyed the day. First time I've seen her live and MAN..is she LITTLE! I love it when a little woman like that can just BELT out the songs. That girl has some pipes. Oh yeah, my wife told me the band sounded fine to her. At Borders I tried to get one of those 1M Kisses Posters off the wall but the INFO girl said I couldn't have one...then some guy walked by with a cardboard folder full of them, pulled one out and handed it to a young girl.....so I say, "Hey, what chance do I have to get one of those from you?" and he says..."Oh no, I need all these. Sorry". Butthead...so I didn't get ANYTHING signed. Then at Park West they were selling them for 10 bucks...10 BUCKS!..I dont think so. We met a couple girls from this list there, but didn't get their names. Oh yeah..the opening act, Mike Fiasco (whatever his last name is) has a great voice but wasn't too good solo. I was sitting front row and could hear as much of the audience talking as I could hear him playing. People were a little rude and I was waiting for him to tell everybody to shut-up but he never did....probably like you all want me to shut up now. So I will. Randy ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V6 #146 *********************************