From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #128 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.pattygriffin.net/PattyInConcert.html * OR * go to http://www.atorecords.com * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Thursday, April 11 2002 Volume 06 : Number 128 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: RE: Re: Pets and Patty ["Scheiner, Andy" ] MM: 1000? 10000? [adamk@zoom.co.uk] MM: FW: RE: Re: Pets and Patty ["Scheiner, Andy" ] MM: Re: new to list ["Lisa Zwick" ] MM: Addendum to Christmas in April? ["Sanders" ] MM: Set List and review collections from shows from 2002. ["Sanders" ] MM: Oberlin folk fest ["Sarah Stanley" ] MM: Re: Interpretation of Top of the World ["Sheryl Novak" ] MM: HMV - Cambridge ["bdubin00" ] MM: Re: The quality-quantity thing [Richard Challen Subject: MM: RE: Re: Pets and Patty Yes, perhaps "1000 Kisses" has been overlayed with an audio signal that's only discernable by the feline ear (thus explaining why Harvey the yellow lab didn't respond similarly)!! It could be some call to cats to rise up against their human oppressors and canine tormenters!! And with the CD at #11 on Amazon's sales, hmmm... this could get very ugly - I know I'll be locking our two cats, Tigger and Jessie, in the basement for the next few weeks just to be safe. But yet, the recent article in the Austin-American Statesman weekly magazine describes Patty with a dog, not a cat... it must be Doug Lancio !! - he's leading the cat revolution!! - Andy - -----Original Message----- From: Sean and Rebecca Courtney [mailto:beccasean@peoplepc.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 8:38 PM To: mad-mission Subject: MM: Re: Pets and Patty Why do I feel like I am in a Jean Teasedale Twilight Zone? Sean np -what else? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Lisa Zwick > Earlier someone mentioned that their cat liked Patty. > Well, I put 1000 Kisses on in the living room, and first I saw her standing > on the couch, trying to stretch herself over to the stereo, then she went > and lay down on the floor beneath it, and now she's sleeping, purring > happily on the couch. I think she likes it ;) > > -Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:52:21 +0100 (BST) From: adamk@zoom.co.uk Subject: MM: 1000? 10000? "What? Adam gets 9000 more kisses than the rest of us? What gives? Is there some sort of currency conversion I'm not aware of where 1 American kiss equals 10 British ones? Just curious.... ; P" Ahh, you smartass. Okay, I admit, I haven't been the same since we went metric. Once I've taken my shoes and socks off, I'm lost. Get your own zoom email - click here - http://www.zoom.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 07:19:51 -0700 From: "Scheiner, Andy" Subject: MM: FW: RE: Re: Pets and Patty OK, with the new data point from Will's neighbor's dog howling during Nobody's Crying, I humbly submit my wife's counter-theory as more likely (many thanks, Mary). This would fit with Patty being the one behind the scheme rather than Doug (if I recall from the A-A Statesman magazine article, her dog was quite little, so perhaps he needs the assistance in cat chasing)... - -----Original Message----- From: Gallo, Mary [mailto:GalloMary@PRAIntl.com] Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 9:47 AM To: Scheiner, Andy Subject: RE: RE: Re: Pets and Patty Hey, I think you're way off base here. The cats are not rising up - they're submitting and becoming complacent! Maybe it is a dog-scheme. To lull cats into a sense of oblivion so as to make them easy targets! (Lock Jessie and Tigger in the basement for a couple of weeks???) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:07:55 -0400 From: "Lisa Zwick" Subject: MM: Re: new to list About that...did anybody who was at Joe's or Borders find the accordian to be really out of place? I thought it was way too overpowering...especially at Borders. And now I can't help noticing it in Making Pies on the cd. - -Lisa - ----- Original Message ----- From: "will" To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 9:26 AM Subject: MM: new to list > What does Patty's band consist of on this tour? What instruments? A > taper likes to know these things in advance ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:21:25 -0500 From: "Sanders" Subject: MM: Addendum to Christmas in April? First, I have received my 10 requests for "Silver Bell". For those who are interested in acquiring a copy of the songs, I suggest you visit the following website: http://www.pattygriffin.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=trade Second, I just wanted to apologize to Mike, our wonderful list manager, for posting this offer on the list. I just thought I would help a few people out since several people have been asking in recent weeks on the list about the songs from "Silver Bell". Also, to clarify on the recording. I would have to consider this a "pseudo Silver Bell" as Mike puts it. All 14 songs are included on the recording though. Take care and have a good day. - - Sanders ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:38:36 -0500 From: "Sanders" Subject: MM: Set List and review collections from shows from 2002. If you attended either of the Joe's Pub shows, would you please add a review and set list to the following site: http://www.pattygriffin.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=concert Also, if you plan on seeing Patty this tour, use the above link to post your own reviews and set lists from shows. Also, I am not sure if there is any interest in having "Mad Mission Mailing List" meetups before or after the shows to allow everyone to put faces with the posts you read on this list, but I think it would be fun. I think the discussion boards on pattygriffin.net would be a good place to organize such events. Just an idea... - - Sanders ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:23:42 EDT From: Danalee7@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Interpretation of Top of the World In a message dated 4/11/02 2:22:37 AM, Amanda4865@aol.com writes: << I seem to recall Patty saying that this song was about her grandfather when I saw her touring for Flaming Red. Has anyone else heard this or am I remembering incorrectly? >> No, it was Poor Man's House that she says was inspired by her grandfather who came over from Ireland and struggled all his life over here. Dana ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:40:33 -0400 From: "Connell, Michael P" Subject: MM: RE: Addendum to Christmas in April? Sander said: > Second, I just wanted to apologize to Mike, our wonderful list manager, > for posting this offer on the list. I just thought I would help a few > people out since several people have been asking in recent weeks on the > list about the songs from "Silver Bell". Also, to clarify on the > recording. I would have to consider this a "pseudo Silver Bell" as Mike > puts it. All 14 songs are included on the recording though. Take care > and have a good day. No apology is necessary as this is not a clone of Silver Bell nor it's advance/unmastered version of CD that the suits received. Since none of the _actual tracks_ from Silver Bell are included, it's perfectly OK to offer this on the list. It's no different than any of the other tape/CD trees or offers that have popped up on the list from time to time. While some may argue even those are copyright infringements, which they technically are, they are not nearly as frowned upon by the RIAA and/or record companies as pirating an actual CD, released or advance, is. At least not in my conversations with those entities. I probably should have contacted Sanders privately and asked him exactly what was on the CDR before I had posted to the list earlier today, but I was at work and I am always more tightly wound when at work. So I apologize myself for that. (on the other hand, it helped fellow MMers (hopefully) better realize a distinction as to what is more acceptable to trade/offer and what is not at all allowed) Mike :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:05:03 -0400 From: Jennifer Caputo Subject: [none] Hey guys, I was hoping you could all head over to the message board and leave a message for Patty in the appropriate thread: http://www.pattygriffin.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=gener;action=display ;num=1018024994 I am going to print them all out and deliver them to her next week so please leave your message as soon as possible :-) Dont post your message here because it will be easier for me to just print them all out directly from the board. We've done this on the John Mayer board a few times and he LOVES reading them. He usually sends a message back to the board which is always a treat. Anyway, I just think it would mean a lot to Patty, especially after all of this recent transition period for her to know that we're all still here for her and in total support of what she's doing. Thanks :-) Jen www.pattygriffin.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:45:03 -0400 From: "Sarah Stanley" Subject: MM: Oberlin folk fest Okay, I got a TEENY bit more info on the folk fest Patty is scheduled to play at on May 11. It's at Oberlin College, OH (this college is right on, I've been before to see Patty there). The event is put on by the student organized folk club. It's outdoors at Tappin Sq. (??) and .... get this ... IT'S FREE!!!! (at least the first person i spoke with said so) :) So far nothing has been completely confirmed so this could all end up moot. But since Jen has posted the date (I think with verification from ATO?) and Pollstar has it listed as well I'd say it's a good chance Patty will still be there. The only other artist info as of now is still Sloan Wainwright, but like I said it's all tentative. I did get some phone numbers if any of y'all want them. The person I spoke with said they generally don't get the info until a couple weeks before the show, so.... we can pester them more then! General Ticket Info: 440-775-8169 Oberlin College Folk Club: 440-775-8565 Sarah ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ "When I choose a friend, I choose one who loves truth, respects Life and me, one who hears Music and sees the Moon, one who loves to see me smiling." -- Renee Locks _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:16:10 -0500 From: "Sheryl Novak" Subject: MM: Re: Interpretation of Top of the World OK, folks...here's the real deal...straight from the horses' mouth!! Patty did an interview at the KGSR studios here in Austin during SXSW, where she played 'Top of the World' live. Before she played the song, she spoke about it...these are her exact words-taken from the recording I made of the interview. "...the original version has a vocal with my mother's, my mom's vocals, so I didn't cut it again for this record hoping that eventually I could release that version, so...ahhh, I would like to play this song today because of all this talk of people dropping nuclear weapons after all these years...umm....it's just a little disturbing, and I wanted to just sort of, play something for people who are struggling with war and violence now." I hope that helps. 'patty cakes' .........sheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: David Tumbarello To: Stephen Golato ; mad-mission@smoe.org Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 2:02 PM Subject: MM: Interpretation of Top of the World Ok. I'll go out on a limb again (forgive me Gary Jacques) and give you my take on the song. **DISCLAIMER** The following interpretation is my view and does not represent the views of the author, artist, this list, blah blah blah. Okay, nearly every sentence sounds like it could be a different character saying it: "I wish I was smarter" "I wish I was stronger" "I wish I loved Jesus as much as my wife does" and the author goes on with other voices from our landscape, maybe a neighbor says "I wished it'd been easier instead of any longer" and someone regrets "I wished I could've stood where you would be proud." All different characters. Someone else says "I don't have to answer any of these questions. Don't have no guide to teach me no lessons". Someone else can't get up from his/her chair and eat supper when THEY call him/her for supper. And so on. These are people who wish they were someone else, better or stronger or wiser. Why do I read it this way? Well, the song is about regret, people wishing they were someone they're not, instead of accepting & embrasing who they are. The author says "everyone's singing we just want to be heard" but their voices disappear; it is final. They wish they were more talented or adequate their whole life then some day they disappear, pass on. The author shows hope at the end of the song because she says she is going to take a hold of that little songbird (herself) and express herself, to the top of the world. Earlier she thought she may have broken wings--the chorus is the author in her own voice--but in the end she takes up the challenge and sings to the top of the world, or from the top of the world. So her singing is a metaphor for whatever god has given us. (I wish I had a better word for god, but you get the point.) Dave Tumbarello > If anyone would like to share what they think or > what they heard Patty say > is the meaning of the song Top of the World, please > email me. I'd love to > hear from you. We don't tend to get into the > meaning of Patty's songs > (either what she has said they are about or what > individuals say it means to > them) on the list that much. However, I find it > very interesting to find > out what Patty or fans like/dislike about her songs > or what they are about. > > Riff > "Don't just exist. Live." > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: DM13DM@aol.com > >p.s. Does anyone else find it odd that the words to > "Stolen Car" weren't > >altered a bit? > > > *************************************************************************** > > This electronic mail transmission contains > confidential and/or privileged > information intended only for the person(s) named. > Any use, distribution, > copying or disclosure by another person is strictly > prohibited. > *************************************************************************** Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:04:09 -0400 From: FugitiveLA@aol.com Subject: MM: Silver Bell track list? I know this has been asked and answered, so I apologize, and feel free to reply off-list... Can someone provide the Silver Bell track list? Were the tracks ever put in order for the non-existent album? Thanks! P.S. Thank god for Audio Galaxy. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:09:30 -0300 From: David Lewis Subject: MM: Re: The Quality-Quantity > Quantity: I'd rather have 39 minutes of aural pleasure, than 70 to 80 > minutes of mediocre pap. Of course. I think the thing people find somewhat odd is that Patty has plenty of high-quality material to draw from... they could have added another song or two without degrading the quality at all. But I'm not complaining! :) 1000 Kisses is perfect. > By the way, Living With Ghosts clocks in at just over 38 minutes. Really. That kind of surprises me. Maybe 1000 Kisses seems a little shorter since cut 9 is out of place stylistically, relative to the rest of the album... and cut 10 is just not really a song but a nice... beautiful actually... little instrumental reprise of Nobody's Crying (I think). Although it might have made more sense for it to be a reprise of Rain... but whatever. What I'm most happy about is that Patty did not try to make any singles on this CD... she just did what she does best... and it shows. When an artists tries too hard, the end result is usually contrived... speaking from personal experience anyway :) I'm reminded of the words of a funny little gray creature "There is no try... only do" :) - -Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:30:37 -0400 From: "bdubin00" Subject: MM: HMV - Cambridge I just saw Patty play at the HMV in Cambridge. This was my first time seeing her but I owned her previous two albums. Simple enough it was great to hear her live. It made the albums make so much more sense. She commented that the crowd was so quite. I guess is that is why we did not get any encores. What we did get was quality. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:39:07 -0400 From: Richard Challen Subject: MM: Re: The quality-quantity thing Hey all, Far be it from me to put words into Patty's mouth, but when I interviewed her last month, she hinted at a few reasons why the album is shorter (39 min) than your typical album: 1) Universal owns the rights to 'Silver Bell,' but if '1000 Kisses' does well, they will either release it themselves or turn the rights over to ATO. Either way, I think everyone in Patty's camp is expecting for 'Silver Bell' to come out at some point down the line. So there was no need to re-cut all the SB songs again, and in fact doing so would probably hurt its sales potential. For the record, the only song to appear on both albums is 'Makin' Pies.' 2) Remember that Patty didn't have a major label budget when she was recording '1000 Kisses.' It came out of her own pocket! I know everyone's happy about the fact it was recorded in 'only 6 days,' but that's necessity more than anything... Studio time, equipment, and even 2" tape is expensive... I suspect if Patty had the budget to cut 20 songs, we'd have gotten a longer album. As such, they probably didn't cut many more tracks beyond what appears on '1000 Kisses.' 3) Again remembering that Patty wasn't signed when recording '1000 Kisses,' one idea behind the album was to collect songs that had been in her repetoire but never recorded before, songs that had 'slipped through the cracks,' as it were. Hence older songs, the Bruce cover that she's been playing for years, and 'Tomorrow Night.' Now that ATO is committed to her career, I suspect a newly recorded album will feature brand-new songs... and maybe lots of 'em?? 4) Now my 2 cents: I've had both 'Silver Bell' and '1000 Kisses' for several weeks now. While 'Silver Bell' is a longer album (14 songs, around 55 min), '1000 Kisses' is a better one. 'Bell' tries a lot of different approaches, but '1000 Kisses' hits a mood and sustains it beautifully. Like a rare gem, it's tiny but damn near flawless. Think about it this way: Would you rather be disappointed because an album is good but too short, or long enough but inconsistent? - --rICH Listen to Rich: Check out the official website of Backyard Green, featuring tour dates, lyrics, pictures, and sound clips from the new album: http://www.backyardgreen.com And be sure to check out Rich's solo website at: http://listen.to/rich.com http://www.geocities.com/richardchallen ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V6 #128 *********************************