From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #125 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.pattygriffin.net/PattyInConcert.html * OR * go to http://www.atorecords.com * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Wednesday, April 10 2002 Volume 06 : Number 125 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Re: question ["Elena" ] MM: Patty "the soprano" Griffin ["Connell, Michael P" ] MM: Mike [mark_fitzgerald@keybank.com] Re: MM: Re: question [Smaragaid@aol.com] MM: Re: 1000 Kisses/meaning of songs [DM13DM@aol.com] MM: RE: Re: 1000 Kisses/meaning of songs [Stephen Golato ] MM: CD Universe Order? ["Chris" ] MM: RE: Re: Meaning of Long Ride Home ["Scheiner, Andy" ] MM: Re: RE: Re: Meaning of Long Ride Home ["Elena" ] MM: Re: Joe's Pub April 9 ["Lisa Zwick" ] MM: Re: Re: Joe's Pub April 9 ["Chris" ] MM: Interpretation of Top of the World [David Tumbarello Subject: MM: Re: question > Did anybody get the new CD at a retail store (vs. through the mail)? I did - I bought it at Amoeba Records here in Los Angeles. It was sitting on the "new releases" rack (I was so excited to see it from practically across the room). When I was rung up I told the clerk "you have to play this today - everyone in the store will buy it the second they hear it!". I don't know if that meant anything to her but I figured it was worth a shot... - --Elena ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:57:46 -0400 From: "Connell, Michael P" Subject: MM: Patty "the soprano" Griffin >lol, apparently the reviewer for USA today never took a music class! >> USA Today says: "Even the slighter material provides a winning showcase > >for Griffin's classic country-folk voice, an achingly pure soprano..." It's weird though. For what it's worth, the reviewer (Elysa Gardner) is their main pop/rock/what-have-you reviewer and she's pretty well regarded (I think she is anyway...seems right on to me most of the time). You'll see her often in little clips talking about artists on VH1's Behind the Music and some other music related shows on MTV and VH1 (not that the MTV staff has any musical knowledge) . Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:05:20 EDT From: Smaragaid@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Joe's Pub April 9 Hey, yupyup... I was definitely there! I've never seen her live, and to hear her play my favorite song of hers (Tony, that is....and I don't think I'm alone here either on this one) was incredible. I definitely teared up more than once during the entire set. I was apparently one of the few on here who did not have the CD beforehand. Since I work freelance for Joe's Pub and the Public Theater, I was trying to get one of their promo copies, but I never got around to going down there. So basically the entire set list was new to me. And there wasn't a song that I didn't fall in love with. Definitely love Flaming Red love! Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:04:03 -0700 From: "Laura Taylor" Subject: MM: Meaning of Long Ride Home I read in the article last week from an Austin newspaper that the interviewer (and many people) automatically think "long ride home" is about a wife at her husbands funeral. am i the only one who thinks it's about a man at his wife funeral? "one day i took your tiny hand put your finger in the wedding band your daddy gave a piece of land we laid ourselves the best of plans" and thoughts? - -lt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:05:39 -0400 From: mark_fitzgerald@keybank.com Subject: MM: Mike You didn't hear? It's just Blood and Sweat now. And I hear Sweat's not even the original guy. >We get acts here about 25 to 35 years after they were in their prime. >>Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:09:12 EDT From: Smaragaid@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Re: question Oh yeah....I was the tall guy in the blue button down...sitting facing in between Doug and Patty...I think that Kim was right behind me... Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:27:27 EDT From: DM13DM@aol.com Subject: MM: Re: 1000 Kisses/meaning of songs In a message dated 4/10/02 12:52:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stephen.golato@sanchez.com writes: << What do you mean? Why should they have been altered? Because it's a female singing? >> Well, yes. That's what I mean. Is there anything wrong with that? By the way, I didn't say they "should" have been altered. I only asked if anyone else found it a little odd. Maybe odd was the wrong word. After years of hearing the Boss sing "I met a little girl...We got married...", it sounds a little odd to me hearing those words from a female voice. Not that there's anything wrong with it. I would have the same reaction hearing Bruce sing "Ain't no talking to this man...I'm gonna let him fly...". Does that make me a chauvinist? A homophobe? The Cowboy Junkies did a great version of Springsteen's "Thunder Road" last year on tour and Margo Timmins tweaked the words a bit to make them a little more gender appropriate. Maybe I've got that on my mind. I hope this doesn't regress into some sort of PC bash fest. Patty can sing any song with any lyric and I would enjoy (and buy) it. I guess when choosing to perform a cover song, there will always be comparisons (fairly or unfairly) to the original version. Was the arrangement changed. Were the lyrics changed. Was the tempo changed. etc. Sometimes those cover songs which are virtually identical to the originals are the ones that receive the most critique. I happen to think both versions of "Stolen Car" are great. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:43:18 -0400 From: Stephen Golato Subject: MM: RE: Re: 1000 Kisses/meaning of songs No, there's nothing wrong with it at all. I didn't mean it that way if you took it that way. I wasn't sure if that was the reason you asked or not. And I wasn't trying to be PC or whatever in my comment. So there's no PC bash here. I was just giving my opinion about storytelling in songs. I agree at first you might not expect to hear Patty singing those lyrics. And I think hearing Bruce singing in your example probably would be more noticable. As I said, I just wasn't clear on what you thought should be altered. So if it seemed odd to you, I wasn't saying you shouldn't have felt odd. Or maybe it took you by surprise. And I wasn't calling you a chauvinist or homophobe or however you might have taken it. I could be misreading your email. I'm posting to the whole list so that this doesn't start into something that it's not. I wanted to nip it in the bud before it got blown out of proportion because of a misunderstanding in email. Anyway, I hope this clears it up. - -----Original Message----- From: DM13DM@aol.com [mailto:DM13DM@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 1:27 PM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: Re: 1000 Kisses/meaning of songs In a message dated 4/10/02 12:52:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stephen.golato@sanchez.com writes: << What do you mean? Why should they have been altered? Because it's a female singing? >> Well, yes. That's what I mean. Is there anything wrong with that? By the way, I didn't say they "should" have been altered. I only asked if anyone else found it a little odd. Maybe odd was the wrong word. After years of hearing the Boss sing "I met a little girl...We got married...", it sounds a little odd to me hearing those words from a female voice. Not that there's anything wrong with it. I would have the same reaction hearing Bruce sing "Ain't no talking to this man...I'm gonna let him fly...". Does that make me a chauvinist? A homophobe? The Cowboy Junkies did a great version of Springsteen's "Thunder Road" last year on tour and Margo Timmins tweaked the words a bit to make them a little more gender appropriate. Maybe I've got that on my mind. I hope this doesn't regress into some sort of PC bash fest. Patty can sing any song with any lyric and I would enjoy (and buy) it. I guess when choosing to perform a cover song, there will always be comparisons (fairly or unfairly) to the original version. Was the arrangement changed. Were the lyrics changed. Was the tempo changed. etc. Sometimes those cover songs which are virtually identical to the originals are the ones that receive the most critique. I happen to think both versions of "Stolen Car" are great. *************************************************************************** This electronic mail transmission contains confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the person(s) named. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by another person is strictly prohibited. *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:44:38 -0500 From: "Sheryl Novak" Subject: MM: Re: Meaning of Long Ride Home yeah, I'm with you... sheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: Laura Taylor To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 12:04 PM Subject: MM: Meaning of Long Ride Home I read in the article last week from an Austin newspaper that the interviewer (and many people) automatically think "long ride home" is about a wife at her husbands funeral. am i the only one who thinks it's about a man at his wife funeral? "one day i took your tiny hand put your finger in the wedding band your daddy gave a piece of land we laid ourselves the best of plans" and thoughts? -lt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:52:05 -0700 From: "Chris" Subject: MM: CD Universe Order? Did anyone else order 1000 Kisses from CD Universe and has still yet to get the CD, like me? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:06:18 -0700 From: "Scheiner, Andy" Subject: MM: RE: Re: Meaning of Long Ride Home But, on the other hand, it could still be from the female perspective. The groom may have had unusually small hands for a man. And maybe that's why they failed to realize their "best laid plans": he couldn't keep up with all the farm and/or ranch work (milking the cows, handling the plow/tractor) since his hands were *abnormally* tiny. I could see how that could really turn a marriage sour over 40 years time. I'll check with my wife when I get home this evening, but I'm guessing she'll say that, had I possessed abnormally small hands, over time, she'd have developed a deep emptiness and lonliness and our marriage would have been frought with regret and unfufilled dreams. ;-) - Andy - -----Original Message----- From: Sheryl Novak [mailto:snovak1@austin.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 1:45 PM To: Laura Taylor; mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: Re: Meaning of Long Ride Home yeah, I'm with you... sheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: Laura Taylor To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 12:04 PM Subject: MM: Meaning of Long Ride Home I read in the article last week from an Austin newspaper that the interviewer (and many people) automatically think "long ride home" is about a wife at her husbands funeral. am i the only one who thinks it's about a man at his wife funeral? "one day i took your tiny hand put your finger in the wedding band your daddy gave a piece of land we laid ourselves the best of plans" and thoughts? -lt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:12:02 -0600 From: "Howes, Meghan" Subject: MM: RE: CD Universe Order? yep, Chris, I'm still waiting too... *sigh* - -----Original Message----- From: Chris [mailto:Chris_354@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 11:52 AM To: Mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: CD Universe Order? Did anyone else order 1000 Kisses from CD Universe and has still yet to get the CD, like me? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:21:03 -0700 From: "Elena" Subject: MM: Re: RE: Re: Meaning of Long Ride Home Yeah, and I bet the forty years of things she wished she never said were things like: "Get yer tiny paws offa me!" and "Have it your way, little hand man!" and "It's TRUE what they say about men with small hands!!" Sorry, I'm a little punchy today. For the record, whenever I listen to "The Long Ride Home", I nearly cry every time. I picture a little old man riding home in the limo, realizing possibly for the first time just how much he took his wife for granted, how much he really loved her and never having dreamed that he would have to live without her. It doesn't seem like a song that a woman would sing at all to me (this is not to say that I don't think women don't take their husbands for granted, just that it sounds like an emotion from a male perspective, even without the 'one day I took your tiny hand' part). When I first heard the song I thought it was a cover for that very reason. Andy said: "But, on the other hand, it could still be from the female perspective. The groom may have had unusually small hands for a man. And maybe that's why they failed to realize their "best laid plans": he couldn't keep up with all the farm and/or ranch work (milking the cows, handling the plow/tractor) since his hands were *abnormally* tiny. I could see how that could really turn a marriage sour over 40 years time. I'll check with my wife when I get home this evening, but I'm guessing she'll say that, had I possessed abnormally small hands, over time, she'd have developed a deep emptiness and lonliness and our marriage would have been frought with regret and unfufilled dreams. ;-)" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:48:32 -0400 From: "Lisa Zwick" Subject: MM: Re: Joe's Pub April 9 I also thought at first that it seemed strange...but then I remembered her trying to fly at the Dixie Chicks concert, and I figured it's just that she needs something to do with her hands when she's not playing. It kinda grew on me tho. It showed that she wasn't just singing the words, but she was listening to them as well. And I guess what you saw as nervousness I saw as passion...I thought she'd pop a blood vessel the way she seemed to be so into it...but then again, I have nothing to compare it to. - -Lisa - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:45 PM Subject: MM: Joe's Pub April 9 > Tony (I was SHOCKED when she started to play this) - Did anybody else find > her movements a little awkward or out of character on this one. I was > thrilled to hear it live (I kind of never thought I would). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:01:15 -0700 From: "Chris" Subject: MM: Re: Re: Joe's Pub April 9 Would the trying to fly thing be like the thing she did at the end of Blue Sky during the Dixie Chicks shows? If it is, it did seem strange, but it definitly made people pay some kind of attention to her, which is always a good thing. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Lisa Zwick To: mad-mission Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 11:48 AM Subject: MM: Re: Joe's Pub April 9 > I also thought at first that it seemed strange...but then I remembered her > trying to fly at the Dixie Chicks concert, and I figured it's just that she > needs something to do with her hands when she's not playing. It kinda grew > on me tho. It showed that she wasn't just singing the words, but she was > listening to them as well. > > And I guess what you saw as nervousness I saw as passion...I thought she'd > pop a blood vessel the way she seemed to be so into it...but then again, I > have nothing to compare it to. > > -Lisa > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:45 PM > Subject: MM: Joe's Pub April 9 > > > Tony (I was SHOCKED when she started to play this) - Did anybody else find > > her movements a little awkward or out of character on this one. I was > > thrilled to hear it live (I kind of never thought I would). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:02:32 -0700 (PDT) From: David Tumbarello Subject: MM: Interpretation of Top of the World Ok. I'll go out on a limb again (forgive me Gary Jacques) and give you my take on the song. **DISCLAIMER** The following interpretation is my view and does not represent the views of the author, artist, this list, blah blah blah. Okay, nearly every sentence sounds like it could be a different character saying it: "I wish I was smarter" "I wish I was stronger" "I wish I loved Jesus as much as my wife does" and the author goes on with other voices from our landscape, maybe a neighbor says "I wished it'd been easier instead of any longer" and someone regrets "I wished I could've stood where you would be proud." All different characters. Someone else says "I don't have to answer any of these questions. Don't have no guide to teach me no lessons". Someone else can't get up from his/her chair and eat supper when THEY call him/her for supper. And so on. These are people who wish they were someone else, better or stronger or wiser. Why do I read it this way? Well, the song is about regret, people wishing they were someone they're not, instead of accepting & embrasing who they are. The author says "everyone's singing we just want to be heard" but their voices disappear; it is final. They wish they were more talented or adequate their whole life then some day they disappear, pass on. The author shows hope at the end of the song because she says she is going to take a hold of that little songbird (herself) and express herself, to the top of the world. Earlier she thought she may have broken wings--the chorus is the author in her own voice--but in the end she takes up the challenge and sings to the top of the world, or from the top of the world. So her singing is a metaphor for whatever god has given us. (I wish I had a better word for god, but you get the point.) Dave Tumbarello > If anyone would like to share what they think or > what they heard Patty say > is the meaning of the song Top of the World, please > email me. I'd love to > hear from you. We don't tend to get into the > meaning of Patty's songs > (either what she has said they are about or what > individuals say it means to > them) on the list that much. However, I find it > very interesting to find > out what Patty or fans like/dislike about her songs > or what they are about. > > Riff > "Don't just exist. Live." > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: DM13DM@aol.com > >p.s. Does anyone else find it odd that the words to > "Stolen Car" weren't > >altered a bit? > > > *************************************************************************** > > This electronic mail transmission contains > confidential and/or privileged > information intended only for the person(s) named. > Any use, distribution, > copying or disclosure by another person is strictly > prohibited. > *************************************************************************** Yahoo! 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