From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #101 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.quackquack.net/pattyg * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Tuesday, March 26 2002 Volume 06 : Number 101 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Is it possible to over-post? Yes [Scott Antall ] MM: Re: new member here--Patty at SXSW ["Sheryl Novak" ] Re: MM: My $20 worth [FlamingRed74@aol.com] Fwd: MM: enough. [Femboty2k@aol.com] MM: Misunderstood ["Gary Jacques" ] Re: MM: Truth 1? ["Lisa Zwick" ] Re: MM: enough. ["* Darcie *" ] Re: MM: My $20 worth ["Sarah Stanley" ] MM: This Is Why We Call Them GOOD Songwriters [Richard Challen ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:48:01 -0500 From: Scott Antall Subject: MM: Is it possible to over-post? Yes If we keep the list to a discussion about Patty, many of us will be more happy. Feel free to email each other directly on any other topic. Remember, hundreds of people are getting these emails. Hundreds of people who signed up for a list about Patty Griffin, that is. Thanks, Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 14:50:16 -0600 From: "Sheryl Novak" Subject: MM: Re: new member here--Patty at SXSW That's a great review--and quite accurate, I might add! I was at that show and couldn't have been more pleased with her performance. The place was crowded with all of us Austinites who know and love Patty. Any one else out there who saw this show? ...sheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: Balmoon@aol.com To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 8:48 AM Subject: MM: new member here--Patty at SXSW Hi-- Thought I'd introduce myself. I just joined this list a few days ago, thanks to Dana, who I know from the Jackson Browne list we're both on. I've been a Patty fan since Living With Ghosts came out, and have seen her live four times now--once opening for Shawn Colvin, twice at the Verde Valley Music Festival in Sedona, and once at the Concert for a Landmine-Free World this past fall in Chicago (speaking of which, if anyone has a recording of that concert, please email me offlist--I'd love to trade for it!). Anyway, had to check twice to make sure I signed up for the Patty list and not the Britney list--lol--never dreamed you'd be discussing Britney on this list! But we get off topic on the Jackson list all the time, so I guess I shouldn't be too surprised . . . :-) For my first contribution to this list, here's a nice review of Patty's appearance at SXSW--and my apologies if this has already been posted before I joined up here. Best wishes, Beverly http://austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2002-03-22/music_roundup8.html Southern Rock Opera BY CHRISTOPHER HESS March 22, 2002: Patty Griffin Jovita's, Friday 15 To hear total silence fall over any crowd during SXSW is unusual at the very least and amazing at best. To hush a packed room during a free day show where people are eating is downright spectacular. Patty Griffin is one of those artists who commands that kind of attention, and when the petite Austinite took the stage in a lacey black dress with long black leather arm bands and an acoustic guitar she had every eye and ear in the joint. Backed by accordion/ keyboards, cello, and a guitarist, Griffin started out with a few tunes off her upcoming album, guaranteeing that at least everyone here would be buying a copy. "Chief" was a highlight, an intense narrative sung as only Griffin can with a series of short and effective mandolin breakdowns. Then she tore into "Flaming Red," the raucous and rocking title track off her last album. Take away the drums and the electric guitars and this song is even more urgent, more convincing. Turns through her "Mad Mission" and Springsteen's "S! tolen Car" floored everyone. It was a lovefest, sure enough, and Griffin was as gracious and appreciative of the attention as everyone there was grateful for the show. If this show was any indication, ATO Records made the smartest move possible in picking up Griffin's next album. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:51:17 -0600 From: LouAnn Muhm Subject: Re: MM: Truth 1? I wonder if it was on the ill-fated first album( the first one that got shelved, for which the demo--LWG--was substituted and released). I have a boot of Patty's show at the Ark in Ann Arbor in 1999, and it is eerie. She is talking about Silver Bell and it's imminent release, and she says something like (from memory, not exact quotation) "I just recorded a new CD in New Orleans (is it New Orleans? I'm forgetting now). I was afraid to go back there, because I recorded my first record there. Then the label basically told me that it sucked, so I said "well, you liked the demo so much--why not just release that?' so they did and that was Living With Ghosts." Then she went on to say that she had a much better experience this time and that she couldn't wait for the album to be released. Like I said, eerie. > From: Greg Smith > Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:14:49 -0500 > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > Subject: MM: Truth 1? > > Okay, so Truth Part 2 was intended for Silver Bell. Anyone know what Truth 1 > was recorded for? Was it recorded for the Silver Bell sessions but not > included? > > Greg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:02:16 EST From: FlamingRed74@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: My $20 worth Actually, Gary DID hear Patty say that "it" was about a man.. because I heard her say it too during the interview with John Hiatt. The thing is though, Gary was talking about the song "Peter Pan", not "Flaming Red"... just to clear things up. :-) Dave (who usually stays out of these heated discussions) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:46:54 EST From: Femboty2k@aol.com Subject: Fwd: MM: enough. oh stop.....i've been on this list for 3 years and believe me it's usually totally boring. Why are you reading the posts if you're not interested. Apparently it's been keeping your attention. i'm changing my email name to retiredwhoredancersillylittletwitnotalentmiddriff wearingselloutcrazylazybitch! And it's all because of Barbie damn it! Barbie fucked up my head man! That silly little doll managed to turn me into a dancing whore that people have less respect for than a fucking pedophile. Say, I should sue Matel. I'm done with this list. Tina Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd05.mx.aol.com (rly-zd05.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.229]) by air-zd01.mail.aol.com (v84.10) with ESMTP id MAILINZD14-0326152724; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 15:27:24 -0500 Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [66.89.201.78]) by rly-zd05.mx.aol.com (v84.10) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINZD56-0326152702; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 15:27:02 -0500 Received: from smoe.org (ident-user@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smoe.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g2QKQn7R005602 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 15:26:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g2QKQnwn005601 for mad-mission-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 15:26:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200203262026.g2QKQnwn005601@smoe.org> From: "Jessica Boyer" To: References: <20020326170514.49238.qmail@web20409.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: MM: enough. Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:40:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ok, ok, i give in. i can't take it anymore, and i see no reason to. i am relatively new to this subscription list. i joined hoping to learn a little more about Patty and meet some more of her fans, and have intelligent discussion with others who feel passionately about the same music i do. now, people are emailing me individually just to insult me. obviously there are a few of you in here who benefit from bashing ideas and speaking rudely and closedminded-ly (ok, you can make fun of that if you want, yeah, i made it up.) but either you are on the wrong list, or i am. please don't get me wrong, i have met a few people in here with intelligent things to offer and the willingness to listen to new ideas. i have learned a few new things about Patty and have enjoyed our discussions. but my life is too stressful already to need even a couple strangers telling me what to think, or attacking the basis for any of my beliefs or traits. don henn: thanks for the link, i tried. oh well! :) sadly, jhesi boyer, unsubscribed the Dictionary.com definition: close-mind7ed (klsmndd, klz-) or closed-mind7ed (klzd-)adj. Intolerant of the beliefs and opinions of others; stubbornly unreceptive to new ideas. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:08:39 -0500 From: "Gary Jacques" Subject: MM: Misunderstood Let me clear things up. Dave is the only one paying any attention here. Thank you Dave. LOL See you at the Keswick. By the way I have had a copy of 1000 kisses for over a month now. Nobody Cryin rules!...I blew a blood vessel in my eye singing that one the other night. LOL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 19:35:58 -0500 From: "Lisa Zwick" Subject: Re: MM: Truth 1? Wait, there was another cd that had the same fate as Silverbell? This happened to her before?? - -Lisa - ----- > I wonder if it was on the ill-fated first album( the first one that got > shelved, for which the demo--LWG--was substituted and released). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:37:10 -0500 From: "* Darcie *" Subject: Re: MM: enough. LOL That's the funniest thing I've read all day. Good Lord you guys crack me up. Sham on. ~darc http://www.darcieminerband.com http://www.beyondmusic.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: Femboty2k@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 7:12 PM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: Fwd: MM: enough. oh stop.....i've been on this list for 3 years and believe me it's usually totally boring. Why are you reading the posts if you're not interested. Apparently it's been keeping your attention. i'm changing my email name to retiredwhoredancersillylittletwitnotalentmiddriff wearingselloutcrazylazybitch! And it's all because of Barbie damn it! Barbie fucked up my head man! That silly little doll managed to turn me into a dancing whore that people have less respect for than a fucking pedophile. Say, I should sue Matel. I'm done with this list.Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 23:01:25 -0500 From: "Sarah Stanley" Subject: Re: MM: My $20 worth >- I don't fully understand all the hostility directed towards Britney >Spears, 'N Sync, etc. They do not claim to be anything more than they >are and there have always been entertainers who fill that sort of light, >fluffy role. Don't we all occasionally need a break from the gravity >and stress of being adults by just shaking our asses a little? These >'artists' (for lack of a better term) are NOT in competition with Patty. > They serve entirely different needs musically. i completely loved this paragraph. i've gotten into so many heated discussions with people concerning this very topic that we're all debating. and the above paragraph sums up my perspective! see, Me, i'm your typical girl who considers herself wise in the ways of the world and doesn't take shit. You know, a feminist but not a femi-nazi; an vegetarian animal-activist; a folk-loving, introspective musician herself. The kind of girl who wears a Rosie the Riveter button on her purse and who stands up for herself without waiting around for Prince Charming. But I'm also a HUGE advocate of music. Music of ANY kind. I take A LOT of flak from my friends about some of the music I listen to. Pick any genre and I can give you artists that I like from there - bubble-gum pop (if that's a 'genre') is one of them. I am a firm believer in music healing the soul. And if your soul is stressed and bogged down from all the tragedy and chaos in this world that we must face each and every day, what is so damn wrong with turning on some ass-shakin', no-brain stuff to groove to (if that's what you're into at that moment)? I mean as much as I LOVE my Tori and my Patty and all the other incredible talents, I also love to go to the local dance club and shake my ass and ESCAPE for a couple hours. I'm sorry, but sometimes the seriousness of my favorites can be too much. I'm not about to take a stand against someone else's music just to prove a point that I'm a liberated woman. I know who I am - turning on some Britney doesn't make me any less intelligent or any more at risk or any less of a Women in this world. And taking a stand just for the sake of taking a stand doesn't do anyone any good. I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't admit that I like to listen to some NSync or some Britney now and then. Is it my main choice? My favorite type of music? no... But do I have to keep to the same thing day in and day out? Are there RULES in music? HELL NO! I'm ready for the flames. C'mon. Hit me baby, one more time. :) PEACE, Sarah ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "May you dream you are dreaming in a warm soft bed And may the voices inside you that fill you with dread Make the sounds of thousands of angels instead Tonight where you might be laying your head... I wish you well..." -- Patty Griffin _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 00:10:49 -0500 From: Richard Challen Subject: MM: This Is Why We Call Them GOOD Songwriters ah the MMers and all their messages i read around midnight... yes, i too love Patty's lyrics. and i tend to drop my own interpretations into them. that's why they're good songs. that's why she's a good songwriter, like dylan or springsteen or tom waits or anyone who speaks directly to you, the listener. but please, let's not argue what they "really mean" and what patty was "really thinking." that's just a losing proposition. when i interviewed patty, i fell into that trap myself... my questions about songs on the new record started to include MY interpretations of said songs. not surprisingly, patty left the meanings pretty vague. also not surprisingly, those were NOT the questions that got her talking. (although i think she preferred my interpretation of "chief" better that hers, LOL..) a little mystery is good. don't worry about it. you'll never know what patty was REALLY thinking when writing "peter pan," so add your own meaning and enjoy... - --rICH Listen to Rich: Check out the official website of Backyard Green, featuring tour dates, lyrics, pictures, and sound clips from the new album: http://www.backyardgreen.com And be sure to check out Rich's solo website at: http://listen.to/rich.com http://www.geocities.com/richardchallen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 23:35:12 -0500 From: "keene beach" Subject: MM: just don't want to see it disappear There may be no rules in music but there sure as hell are in the music business and like it or not it all comes down to profit. Once again, fun, happy music definately has its place and its not the individual bands/groups that I have a problem with. Hell, how could you? They aren't individuals they are products just like a burger, a car or laundary detergent. What I fear, and I don't think its without warrant, is that meaningful music is no longer able to find a place on the shelf next to Britney and others because it doesn't sell kadrillion albums in x amount of time (and no Matt, I don't think it takes any talent to do that, if I had the marketing money behind me that Brit/sink/bb do I could move copies of me reciting the phone book) for example Patty's trouble with Silver Bell and Wilco's recent experience with Yankee Hotel Foxtrot. We all talk about buying extra copies of albums to give to friends, in an effort to turn them onto music we "believe" in, ever done that with a product album? Wouldn't it be great if we didn't have to do that, or at the very least could actually buy the album i.e., Silver Bell so we could do it. Think of how hard and long Patty has worked to get where she is, and you want to compare her to a tits and ass group/act that was totally the creation of a businessman who already had the monetary backing to ensure success by putting the "product" in every magazine, on MTV and with Happy Meal tie-ins for their latest 20 minute "behind the scenes" video. So in summation, yeah, I'm frustrated by the greedy music industry that places easy profit over substance. I'm glad Patty has a label, I just fear there are hundreds just like her that will never get a chance because they weren't "talented enough" to sell on MTV. And oh yeah, Peaches En Regalia rocks Matt. Keene ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V6 #101 *********************************