From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #99 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.quackquack.net/pattyg * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Tuesday, March 26 2002 Volume 06 : Number 099 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Evil speaks again [Gary Jacques ] MM: RE: Evil speaks again ["Willms, Gregory J." ] MM: My $20 worth [aadler@juno.com] MM: Flaming Red [Danalee7@aol.com] Re: MM: My $20 worth [xenacrazy@att.net] RE: MM: sex appeal [Chris Murphy ] MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #98 [Matt Bouchie ] MM: my 2 cents ["Nancy Micciulla" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 09:57:25 -0500 From: Gary Jacques Subject: MM: Evil speaks again David with all due respect, this is complete nonsense. I saw the John Hiatt interview with Patty on the West 54th show and she admits that this is song is about a guy. Do you people realize that when you post this stuff you're not talking about Patty but rather yourself? This is what I like most about the mad-mission stuff, all you people telling your dark secrets, while trying to translate Patty songs. LOL I love this stuff. Crazy bastards! LOL EG David said "Peter Pan, which contains for me the most profound lyrics on this CD, is about someone who is ready to say goodbye to Peter Pan, a pixie that relies on blending in with the night, and disappearing into the background. She says goodbye to her youth, who may have chosen clothes and makeup and mannerisms to "fit in" with the crowd. No more blending in, she might say, it is time to define oneself as an adult." In fact she's getting rid of some child like boyfriend who is not growing with her.eom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:09:06 -0500 From: "Willms, Gregory J." Subject: MM: RE: Evil speaks again Don't most songwriters tell their listeners to interpret their songs in whatever way is most meaningful to them? - -----Original Message----- From: Gary Jacques [mailto:jacques@colorite-resins.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 9:57 AM To: 'David Tumbarello'; Danalee7@aol.com; mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: Evil speaks again David with all due respect, this is complete nonsense. I saw the John Hiatt interview with Patty on the West 54th show and she admits that this is song is about a guy. Do you people realize that when you post this stuff you're not talking about Patty but rather yourself? This is what I like most about the mad-mission stuff, all you people telling your dark secrets, while trying to translate Patty songs. LOL I love this stuff. Crazy bastards! LOL EG David said "Peter Pan, which contains for me the most profound lyrics on this CD, is about someone who is ready to say goodbye to Peter Pan, a pixie that relies on blending in with the night, and disappearing into the background. She says goodbye to her youth, who may have chosen clothes and makeup and mannerisms to "fit in" with the crowd. No more blending in, she might say, it is time to define oneself as an adult." In fact she's getting rid of some child like boyfriend who is not growing with her.eom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:18:07 -0000 From: "alan.teather" Subject: RE: Fwd: MM:talk about -SEX APPEAL!!!! Femboty, are you in America by any chance? Alan - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Ma'eee Sent: 26 March 2002 07:41 To: Femboty2k@aol.com; Mad Missioners Subject: Re: Fwd: MM:talk about -SEX APPEAL!!!! I think mid drift is better! It is what happen after one or two children; your midriff turns into a mid-drift! EM --- Femboty2k@aol.com wrote: > okay, so it's a midriff....Yet another misused > word/phrase I can add to my > silly little twit girl list. > > mid drift > nip it in the butt > doggy dog world > Return-path: > From: Femboty2k@aol.com > Full-name: Femboty2k > Message-ID: > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:30:27 EST > Subject: Re: MM:talk about -SEX APPEAL!!!! > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10564 > X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from > multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c > X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used > was text/plain > > You tell em! Darcie! > > I'd pay to get on stage and have a million people > checking out my mid drift > and I love every minute of. Yeah baby! > > My whole point is little girls ARE NOT porn stars > and they are not drug > addicts. Yes they may grow up to become drug > addicts with needles in their > arms and prostituting themselves but not because of > Britney Spears or any one > of her likes. But because they are confused and > misguided. They are confused > by their fathers and mothers (or lack of), and > uncles, brothers, next door > neighbors and priests. Get it? Do you understand? > They are fucked up in the > head because someone moron somewhere said modesty > was a requirement to being > a girl and if you were anything but modest then you > were a slut. > > The attitude that there is something wrong with the > way Britney Spears > dresses is the very attitude that gets women > mistreated and raped. It's the > attitude that confuses little girls. How do you > explain to a seven year old > that YOU don't like Britney's outfit. What do you > say? It's not pretty. I > don't like that color. Think about that for a > minute. You wonder why women > are psycho? We're' psycho because we are told when > we are young to grow up > and be nice girls, while our fathers pat our > brothers on the back for having > more than one girlfriend > > Now we're saying that it's not okay for Britney > Spears to dress they way she > wants. Why? What is all this for? What is wrong > with the female body? > What is wrong with posing for playboy? Someone > please tell me! What is so > wrong with being a women! > > Someone also needs to tell me why we treat hard core > criminals better then we > treat women who are unfortunate enough to be on the > street. Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 09:05:14 -0800 (PST) From: David Tumbarello Subject: MM: Re: Evil speaks again Nonesense or not, the words are about saying goodbye to someone called Peter Pan, not Mr Magoo, and in our culture, Peter Pan has an identity, someone only the kids can see who takes them to neverneverland... The other thing that bothers me about your reply to my interpretation is that you seem to be offended by the act of interpretation. For you, a song only means something if you hear it described by the artist. I am certain that Melville never described in an interview what Moby Dick was about. So does that mean that we cannot discuss Moby Dick. Let's say that Melville was asked what the book was about and he said "a whale". Now that would be (1) understatement (2) hyperbole (3) laughable. Ok. The song is about "a guy", as you put it. But this discussion list is about discussion. And sometimes good music can tell us something about the author, ourselves, others, the universe---you get the idea. David Tumbarello - --- Gary Jacques wrote: > David with all due respect, this is complete > nonsense. I saw the John Hiatt > interview with Patty on the West 54th show and she > admits that this is song > is about a guy. Do you people realize that when you > post this stuff you're > not talking about Patty but rather yourself? This is > what I like most about > the mad-mission stuff, all you people telling your > dark secrets, while > trying to translate Patty songs. LOL I love this > stuff. Crazy bastards! > LOL > EG > David said "Peter Pan, > which contains for me the most profound lyrics on > this > CD, is about someone who is ready to say goodbye to > Peter Pan, a pixie that relies on blending in with > the > night, and disappearing into the background. She > says > goodbye to her youth, who may have chosen clothes > and > makeup and mannerisms to "fit in" with the crowd. > No > more blending in, she might say, it is time to > define > oneself as an adult." > > In fact she's getting rid of some child like > boyfriend who is not growing > with her.eom Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards. http://movies.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 09:36:24 -0800 From: aadler@juno.com Subject: MM: My $20 worth Here's my $0.02 worth, adjusted for inflation.... - - I don't fully understand all the hostility directed towards Britney Spears, 'N Sync, etc. They do not claim to be anything more than they are and there have always been entertainers who fill that sort of light, fluffy role. Don't we all occasionally need a break from the gravity and stress of being adults by just shaking our asses a little? These 'artists' (for lack of a better term) are NOT in competition with Patty. They serve entirely different needs musically. - - No matter how Britney or anyone else dresses, you are going to have kids trying to grow up faster than anyone thinks they should be. At least with her out there doing what she's doing, it forces parents to discuss these issues with their children rather than avoiding them because they're uncomfortable. - - We do NOT encourage our men to be 'SEXY' as I think someone put it a few days ago. Our puritanical way of life would have us all deny our natural sexuality and its complex nature by stating simply that sex is for reproduction and nothing else. Until we stop making people feel guilty for wanting to have sex and be sexual, we'll have all the dysfunctionality that goes along with it, including rape, teenage pregnancies and rampant STDs. I could go on and on, but I digress..... - - If it weren't for the openness of art to interpretation, I wouldn't have had to sit through countless hours of classes wherein a teacher or professor stood there and told me what Heart of Darkness or Crime and Punishment meant. The only way you can go wrong in interpretation is by claiming to know what was in the author's mind and not being open to others' interpretations. - -Regardless of what someone may have heard in an interview with Patty, how are the lyrics "stupid girl/she was dressed like/she deserved everything that she got/bloody pumps/dead girl/hey world/thanks a lot thanks a lot" about a man? Maybe the song is written from a male perspective, that I can accept. But I would hope it's not from the perspecitve of anyone Patty would call a friend.... Please explain. :) - - I think Rain is a beautiful ode to precipitation, but I'm sure someone out there can read more into it. Thoughts? ; P Done for now, and hoping we can move onto some more pleasant topics soon... Aaron J. Adler (in L.A. and always looking for other local Patty fans) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 12:40:01 EST From: Danalee7@aol.com Subject: MM: Flaming Red Dave said: I would like to think that the author of the song is saying that what a person wears does not make them responsible for violence that happens to them. The singer takes on a masculine persona "Stupid girl / She was dressed like / She deserved everything that she got." Dave, you said this better than I did- I don't want anyone here to think that I think that anyone deserves any violence based on appearance, or that I think that Patty thinks that- This line to me is what "people say" when they hear about a rape or murder of a young woman whose appearance they don't approve of. "She shouldn't have been wearing those shocking red shoes, dressed like that, in that place, etc. " We should be able to dress the way we want without idiots thinking it gives them the right to violate us. However: I think that this concept of dress probably explains my own habit of dressing "incognito" - I dress to not attract attention, especially when out in a city or traveling. I used to have to walk thru the Combat Zone in Boston from the trolley to the hospital and I definitely tried to look as uninteresting and unavailable as I could to avoid being accosted. I was 22 and a nice looking girl with long brown hair, but wearing jeans, boots, camoflage coat with my hands hunched in my pockets and moving as fast as I could, avoiding everyone. Similar idea to the bourkas the Afghan women have been wearing I would say. Dana, now in Berkeley, not Boston- still dressing incognito altho I am much less interesting these days to muggers- 30 yrs later- now I have to worry about my gorgeous 15 yr old daughter who is dressing like Brittney out on Telegraph Ave- "chilling"... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:14:50 +0000 From: xenacrazy@att.net Subject: Re: MM: My $20 worth I think Evil Gary was just being his sarcastic self again and did not mean he ACTUALLY heard Patty say it was about a man...but was just pretty much agreeing with everyone that anyone can interpet a song the way they want, and that it should be that way. He was saying it was about a man, to be sarcastic and get his point through. But then again, here I am interpreting his words... - -Lisa - ----- > -Regardless of what someone may have heard in an interview with Patty, > how are the lyrics "stupid girl/she was dressed like/she deserved > everything that she got/bloody pumps/dead girl/hey world/thanks a lot > thanks a lot" about a man? Maybe the song is written from a male > perspective, that I can accept. But I would hope it's not from the > perspecitve of anyone Patty would call a friend.... Please explain. :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:23:38 -0500 From: Chris Murphy Subject: RE: MM: sex appeal All this talk about Brittney and N'Sync, Lets not forget about wilson Phillips - -----Original Message----- From: xenacrazy@att.net To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sent: 3/26/02 1:14 PM Subject: Re: MM: My $20 worth I think Evil Gary was just being his sarcastic self again and did not mean he ACTUALLY heard Patty say it was about a man...but was just pretty much agreeing with everyone that anyone can interpet a song the way they want, and that it should be that way. He was saying it was about a man, to be sarcastic and get his point through. But then again, here I am interpreting his words... - -Lisa - ----- > -Regardless of what someone may have heard in an interview with Patty, > how are the lyrics "stupid girl/she was dressed like/she deserved > everything that she got/bloody pumps/dead girl/hey world/thanks a lot > thanks a lot" about a man? Maybe the song is written from a male > perspective, that I can accept. But I would hope it's not from the > perspecitve of anyone Patty would call a friend.... Please explain. :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:43:12 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Bouchie Subject: MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #98 Somebody posted the lyrics to What You Are the other day. I hear a few line differently. Here's what I got. What do other people think? Matt WHAT YOU ARE by Patti Griffin all the ladies, on the lake they start to dance its been a long time, dont you wish you had the chance what do you wish you were? do you wish you were the silence on the moon? ** I hear "the sunlight on the moon?"*** nobody knows but maybe you will be soon **I hear "baby you will be soon" i used to think the sidwalk was the way always waiting for my lucky day over and over every patch of gray one day inside me i was lucky anyway... what do you wish you were? do you wish you were the light of every star? nobody knows but, maybe thats just what you are **again, I hear "baby that's just what you are" all night count all the singing stars alright is where you want to know you are what do you wish you were? do you wish you were the light of every star? nobody knows.. but maybe thats just what you are nobody knows.. but maybe thats just what you are nobody knows.. but maybe thats just what you are **again, I hear "baby" instead of "maybe" Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards. http://movies.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 19:13:33 From: "Nancy Micciulla" Subject: MM: my 2 cents just a couple of things, not meant to be taken too seriously. . . to the guy who was playing golf on his handheld -- did she move eight spots up or down? could she have possibly found a better spot? and how did this turn into a man/woman debate? from what i gathered, this all started from a nikka costa thing and then it went to a britney thing, and then it went to a virgin/sluts thing, and now to a men are pigs and women deserve it thing -- isn't this a patty list? when i was younger i used to laugh at my mom for wearing bell-bottoms when she was a teenager. she simply explained to me that nothing else was available. today, no matter what size we are, clothes are cut small. in the words of dar williams, "and now i'm in this clothing store, and the sign says less is more, more that's tight means more to see, more for them not more for me -- that won't help me climb a tree in ten seconds flat" a lot of women are slaves to fashion, myself included. and yes, it's my own fault, but it's not as if i can find anything else to wear. plus, those low waisted jeans are so much more comfortable -- there's no button or zipper digging into my skin when i sit down. and last but not least: peter pan is not a pixie. tinkerbell is. nancy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V6 #99 ********************************