From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #94 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.quackquack.net/pattyg * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Sunday, March 24 2002 Volume 06 : Number 094 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: Disbelief [IUDoReMi@aol.com] MM: Why Artists Open For Other Artists 101 [Richard Challen ] MM: Sex Appeal [Femboty2k@aol.com] Re: MM: Sex Appeal [Tricia9999@aol.com] Re: MM: Sex Appeal [IUDoReMi@aol.com] Re: MM: Sex Appeal [MactheMutt@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 15:03:47 EST From: IUDoReMi@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Disbelief I agree 100% I'm sure neither Britney nor Nikka had any say in the decision to do this. You think Britney gets any say? Not a chance. They own her. They own her until her contract is up. She needs to make a certain amount of money for them, she has to do what they say so she gets the money they need. Nikka Costa is doing the exact same thing. She's under contract, she does what they say. And frankly, I'm sure they chose Nikka because she is physically very appealing to young boys and young girls who dream of having beautiful bodies that men love. These marketing people are very smart. I'm not saying Nikka's music isn't good. In fact, I've never even heard her utter a note. But she's "hip" and pretty and colorful and energetic and doesn't have a filthy mouth (I assume). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 17:53:58 -0500 From: Richard Challen Subject: MM: Why Artists Open For Other Artists 101 People people people... At the risk of cluttering up a Patty Griffin mailing list talking about Nikka Costa, why does it matter if she's opening for Britney Spears? If you caught her on her own club tour, that's great; don't go see her open for Britney. If you haven't seen her live yet but don't like Britney, that's great, too; don't go see her open for Britney. Wait for her to play a club again. Is she 'selling out' by doing this? Why does it matter? Technically, she 'sold out' by making a CD for mega-label Virgin and she 'sold out' again by making a very MTV-friendly video for 'Like A Feather.' MTV promoted it quite a bit, including bits on TRL... was that 'selling out' too? Methinks the REAL reason she's doing this is because her album's sales have dropped off a LOT and she needs to 'sell out' some more copies to keep her deal... of course, that's just my opinion, and I'm not a big fan of hers. Didn't we have a similar (very LONG) discussion about Patty opening for the Dixie Chicks? And I think the general consensus was: She was making good money and exposure from the tour, and if you didn't want to see her open in a big arena, wait for the small club show. I was glad to see a few Dixie Chicks fans buying Patty albums, but still I didn't see the show... I waited 'til Patty headlined Cat's Cradle the next year. Well worth the wait. Would Patty have possibly been better served opening for Lucinda Williams? Maybe... but there's lots of politics with these things. The Dixie Chicks tour was probably the right time, right place, and right money. (Not that anyone cares, but I'm NOT going to see Jimmy Eat World here in Charlotte for the same reasons: they're the opening act for Blink-182 and Green Day, 2 bands I dislike. Too bad they haven't played a club date in the Southeast in 3 years, but I can keep waiting.) Sometimes an up-and-coming act opens for a big arena act, even though the musical styles don't match up exactly (i.e. Ben Harper opening for Pearl Jam, Bela Fleck opening for Dave Matthews), and in the long run the up-and-comer gets a huge audience increase in the tour's wake. If you like Nikka Costa, you like the opportunity she has to expose her music to 20,000 potential fans every night. End of story. - --surly rICH Listen to Rich: Check out the official website of Backyard Green, featuring tour dates, lyrics, pictures, and sound clips from the new album: http://www.backyardgreen.com And be sure to check out Rich's solo website at: http://listen.to/rich.com http://www.geocities.com/richardchallen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 16:55:19 -0600 From: "Jessica Boyer" Subject: Re: MM: Disbelief i simply wish to offer up the opinion that although money and fame equal success, they do not necessarily mean that whoever owns them has made something of him/herself. i am studying music business in college in Nashville, and the more i learn, the more i hate every polished product that i see. The business is beginning to disgust me. britney has very little to do with her own position in our culture. she may be considered a hard working young woman, but no more so than the hordes of young unsigned starlets that i meet every day. she landed where she is due more to luck than talent, as i could name a dozen girls studying commercial voice here who are as (if not more) talented and attractive, even without the hours of makeup and polishing Britney goes through before we see her. but this is the way of the world. it does no good to argue whether someone like Britney deserves a more talented opening act. once a real musician is introduced to a major label, their music becomes a business. i realize i'm kind of ranting and raving here, but i see a lot of lives distorted by the wrong role models. one last thing: if anyone has an intelligent quote from Britney, i'd love to hear it. my current theory is that they don't even let her think. go patty, a brilliant artist who has paid her dues. we should be grateful at least that there are still alternatives to the mainstream. jhesi - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 2:03 PM Subject: Re: MM: Disbelief > I agree 100% > > I'm sure neither Britney nor Nikka had any say in the decision to do this. > You think Britney gets any say? Not a chance. They own her. > They own her until her contract is up. She needs to make a certain amount of > money for them, she has to do what they say so she gets the money they need. > Nikka Costa is doing the exact same thing. She's under contract, she does > what they say. > And frankly, I'm sure they chose Nikka because she is physically very > appealing to young boys and young girls who dream of having beautiful bodies > that men love. These marketing people are very smart. I'm not saying > Nikka's music isn't good. In fact, I've never even heard her utter a note. > But she's "hip" and pretty and colorful and energetic and doesn't have a > filthy mouth (I assume). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 20:46:43 EST From: Femboty2k@aol.com Subject: MM: Sex Appeal I'm feeling a little like writing today....and for those of out there who want to read...I've got something to say. In reference to the Britney Spears post....perhaps I was a little bothered by the negative mention of her, because at work the other day I heard a woman suggest to a co-worker that it would not be a good idea to take his daughter to the BS concert because he probably did not want his daughter to see Britney in her outfits. This bothered me, and I didn't know why, but now I do. Why don't we raise our daughters the same way we rays our sons? We give our boys confidence in everything...sports, academics, sex appeal. But we discourage our daughters from anything to do with their natural appeal. We give young lady's conflicting views. "Girls who dress like that are whores" What the f*** is that? I know because I was girl, and I liked looking like that but was always afraid. It's not till now that I have actually accepted my own appeal with confidence and I'm 31 years old. How often do you discourage your sons from working out and looking fit? Never. Why not raise our daughters to believe in themselves in what ever they do. To not be ashamed of their sex appeal. Raise them with strength so they DON'T comprise themselves. There is nothing wrong with the beauty of a women just because it may turn a man. That's something men should deal with! Teach our daughters that. It's not their fault they are women! I'm on a Mad Mission here! Just my thoughts to those who want to listen. Peace, and more power to the chicks! All the chicks young and old! Tina ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 22:29:21 EST From: Tricia9999@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Sex Appeal Girls are more easily taken advantage of than boys and they are readily labeled by their peers as sluts. At 31 you are able to do what you want, but an adolescent girl is often an easy target of both girls and boys. Seems to be a reality that can't be dismissed. Tricia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 23:53:22 EST From: IUDoReMi@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Sex Appeal Nope, I'm sorry. Must voice my opinion here (seems like today's the day anyway). I was raised a certain way and you'd better bet your bottom dollar I'll raise my children the same way. And it has nothing to do with being proud or ashamed of your body and what it looks like. Nothing. There is nothing alright about young girls dressing (or half-dressing, rather) the way some of these girls dress. There's nothing alright about encouraging men and boys to look at their developing bodies in a lustful way. There should be no shame by a girl of her body, but dressing this way in order to prove a point or to make her feel more comfortable is absolutely not the answer. Certainly girls and young women should be interested in working out or exercising and keeping their body healthy as many boys do. They should certainly be proud of the way they are, the way they look. But being proud and being naked in front of pubescent boys are two absolutely separate things. I have to say that some of the things Britney wears are appalling to me. To think that these girls look up to her and want to BE her scares me a little. Actually, it scares me a lot. I'm sure she is a very nice person with a good heart. I'm sure her parents and friends are very proud of her. I'm sure the sun shines on her every morning and the moon puts her to sleep every night, just as with every other kid in America. But the first thing most of these kids see is a piece of ass. - -Carrie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 01:06:12 EST From: MactheMutt@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Sex Appeal In a message dated 3/23/02 7:48:40 PM Central Standard Time, Femboty2k@aol.com writes: > Why don't we raise > our daughters the same way we rays our sons? We give our boys confidence in > > everything...sports, academics, sex appeal. "we give our boys confidence in....sex appeal"......What? when did we start doing this? oh yes, i'll never forget my father sitting me down, after the little league game, praising me for the no-hitter i pitched and then........looking me in the eye and saying "son, you're a sexy boy, have confidence in your sexiness". Oh boy...it would almost be funny if it wasn't so stupid. ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V6 #94 ********************************