From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V5 #193 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.quackquack.net/pattyg * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Monday, August 6 2001 Volume 05 : Number 193 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Singing at the show... ["DuVal Byrd" ] Re: MM: Synopsis [ShinesUpNice@aol.com] Re: MM: Rams Head ["Aimee ..." ] MM: Opinion on this concert jargon [Jennifer Lynn Caputo Subject: MM: Singing at the show... I have to say I agree with Tricia concerning singing at the shows. At the Cat's Cradle show I noticed someone singing with a couple of Patti's numbers. Luckily, they were on key, but it was VERY distracting. Please, sing in your car, your house, on your own stage, but don't sing with the artist unless they invite you! Speaking of the Cat's Cradle, what a dive. However, in the past six months or so I've seen several of my favorite performers there: Catie Curtis, Dar Williams, Cheryl Wheeler, Patti Griffin and next month, Gillian Welch. Not too bad for Carrboro, NC! DuVal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 05:56:32 EDT From: ShinesUpNice@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Synopsis OK OK,,my first posting following my first Patty concert in Carrboro Hmm, became a huge fan 3 years ago - long awaited concert date finally surfaced -- ok a "Patty Newbie" here but those who attended the Carrboro show offer some opinions please: Questions: Music/Performance was great (her delivery still astounds me), but did she seem like she wanted to get the "Hell out of Dodge" following the encores? Does she ever talk to fans? Any dates later this year? Randy from Virginia ps---I am on my second copies (CD's dont last forever as i had expected) of her recordings - kinda getting worried about my obsession with her music ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 10:59:20 -0400 From: "Aimee ..." Subject: Re: MM: Rams Head Beating a dead horse perhaps, but... I'll try to keep this brief: Don said: You already know where we sat , b/c unfortunately , as Dave mentioned ,we were the notorious "Gang of Four" that Aimee pointed out. Yes, our conduct was boorish , incredibly rude , & inappropriate for Aimee's living room - oops !er , I mean the Rams Head listening room. My reply: From the Ram's Head website: " The Rams Head Tavern has been designed as a "listening room". To maintain that principle and out of respect to the artists and fellow patrons, we ask that talking be kept to a minimum and please refrain from dancing" Don says: One thing Aimee was wrong about though , was that we consider >ourselves "true fans". We realize that we are merely >"faux fans" , who drive hundreds of miles to Patty >concerts , just so that the cool , wonderful people in this >world might think that we actually have a life. You >know the cool , wonderful of people of this world don't >you ? The ones with such a great and enviable command >of the English language , that they would describe >someone as "just the ittiest bit of a person". I imagine >Patty would just swell with pride if she heard it. While >she is a small woman , Patty is one of the biggest persons >I'm aware of in the public arena. My reply: My comments about people being "true fans" were toungue-in-cheek, and should have been considered as such. Your choosing to attack me with my words is once again proof positive of your juvenile behavior. I'm not going to get into an "I'm a bigger fan than you are" debate, because frankly, it doesn't matter. We both paid for tickets to a show. I was disappointed at the Rams Head show because the people behind me were being rambunctious. I posted as much in my review, as it was part of my concert going experience. I didn't know that those people were you and your party, however it doesn't change the fact that your "enthusiasm" was distracting, and affected my overall enjoyment of the evening. Don says: Another thing I envy about Aimee , is that she can read minds , & knows how the people around her are feeling. "And I know the audience around me didn't appreciate it". My reply: I do know that the audience around me didn't appreciate it. You too could read minds if you looked around you to see that the people that you were sharing space with were rolling their eyes and groaning. Perhaps you would have heard, as I did, a man say "shut up!" after you'd had one of your outbursts. But you were not concerned about the other people at the concert. It would appear that your enjoyment of the concert outweighs that of the people around you. Don says: In our defense , I think that Aimee had a wild hair bothering her somewhere , b/c she wildly exaggerated about a few things. To say that Patty was gracious & TRIED to talk over us was ludicrous. The ONLY loud talking we did was during applause. Patty couldn't possibly have heard the occasional low volume talking we did between songs , much less have to talk over it. There was no "running commentary" during Patty's performance. For the most part , a few comments were made as a song opened. My reply: Did I exaggerate? Perhaps. Patty was talking over you, whether or not you realized it, I don't know. However, Rams Head is close quarters. It is also possible that I heard the "sing-alongers" behind you, and thought that it was you. For that I apologize. Don says: Finally , I make no apologies for shouting Patty's name or anything ANYONE does during the applause to show their approval. My reply: We obviously have different expectations. Were we in a bar, or a club, I wouldn't have commented, such behavior is expected. Don says: I imagine that Aimee applauded ever so gently , & said "very nice" after the songs she liked. My reply: And if I did, I suppose that would make me less of a fan, and less affected by her music than you. Don says: By the way Aimee , now that we've both gotten it out of our system , we can make up if you want : ) My reply: With friends like these... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 14:49:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Jennifer Lynn Caputo Subject: MM: Opinion on this concert jargon Hi, I'm Jen - I've been a list member for about 3years now. I used to be pretty active on this list but as school has begun to take over my life - it's gotten harder to post... but I still read. I maintain the Patty mp3 page (well.. not so much right now since I'm away from home). Just a little background info on myself. I have had the honor of attending 3 Patty Griffin concerts with Don Henn. I will attend my 4th with Don on my birthday - August 17th. At each concert I have been to with Don he has sat quietly observing the amazing woman on stage.His behavior has never once been loud or inappropriate. From what I can tell, the one time that Don had a few drinks before a show and had a great time enjoying Patty with his (and my) friend Dave, he gets accused of being rude and what not. I cannot believe the way he has been written about in these last 2-3 days. Don is probably the most generous person on this list. About a year ago I ran a contest for some rare CD samplers and poster (unfortunately, the man who was supposed to distribute these cds and posters failed to do so after numerous mails from me pleading him to do so). 5 people were selected randomly to get the cds and 5 were chosen by the list. People submitted ballots for themselves, and also voted on a list member that they thought most deserved the cd. Don Henn.... the same man being talked so negatively about, got the 2nd most votes out of everyone else on the list... I think that speaks something of his character and "true-fan-ess". Last April at the Ark, when Patty came out to talk to fans that had lingered - we all fled to the stage to greet her. Don, stood in the background, letting others greet the woman who has meant so much to his life. Nobody thinks more about other people than this man. I am absolutely disgusted at the way he has been treated lately. Don, I hope that when we go to the show at the Ark on my birthday that you will join me in screaming for "Nobody's Crying" - my all time favorite song. Only during the appluase though of course... Shame on you, Aimee. - Jen *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ AIM: traDMB http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~jcaputo/ And the night and I go hand to hand Breast to breast Woman to woman Night and I go quietly We go softly Screaming all the way - Patty Griffin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 18:47:08 EDT From: Tricia9999@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Opinion on this concert jargon I have a feeling the original post wasn't even directed at Don. It was just a general complaint about some people talking through the show. Probably wasn't even him. It IS very frustrating the way people behave in movies, concerts, etc. I can rarely go to movies anymore because people are so inconsiderate. Don sent me LMFL and I will forever be grateful, he probably wasn't the target of the remarks. Tricia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 19:06:11 EDT From: FlamingRed74@cs.com Subject: Re: MM: Opinion on this concert jargon As Jen wrote.. I too have had the pleasure of attending many a show with Don. I would like to clarify though that Jen is DEAD wrong when she states "Don is probably the most generous member of this list.." he IS the most generous member of this list, case closed. I have been on this mailing list almost since it's inception, then left for a few months.. but have been a fairly frequent poster ever since. I've met MANY MM'ers (not Jen Powelson yet.. :-( ), and I must say all of them have been a pleasure ..(except for that loudmouth EG.. ha ha). There are MANY other generous people, Dana (who got me started collecting stuff), Jen Caputo & Powelson, and let's not forget the list owner Mike! With that said, no one holds a candle to Don. From the word Go Don has been ever so generous to everyone who has ever asked for anything on this list. People can make a general statement to the list as to wanting something, & Don is ALWAYS there to help them. He and I both share something in that we take pride in spreading Patty's music. We both know how it makes us feel to hear new material, and it feels great to know that we can help make others get that same feeling. The next few things go beyond just common generosity. How many others here can say they've driven more than 400 miles OUT OF THEIR WAY just to pick up another MM'er? Let's take that 1 step further, and say you do that 2 days in a row, then pay for their ticket, pay for their drinks and meal.. AND pay for their hotel room. Take that, and then also include giving away other tickets to "new Patty fans" who have been shut out of the show because it is sold out.. and you absolutely don't allow them to pay. There are many other things (probably many more I don't know about), like how he takes the time to take rare material and hands it out to those that are "true fans" outside the venue. I will make a bold statement here and say that noone else here has ever done all of those things in their lifetime. Don does this at EVERY SHOW, all in a single day! How many other MM'ers can say they've made hundreds of CD's for people, and spent WEEKS (not even hours here folks) putting together a Patty video compilation for anyone who wanted one to enjoy? This is not just dubbing, this included tenuous mixing in of audio to silent video footage, and working it all together so that it looks and sounds like a professional production. In my estimation, Don has logged well over 20,000 miles in his car, flown to Texas to board a cruise ship with Patty, all in attending more than 20 Patty shows. Each time he purchases far more tickets than he needs just in case an MM'er misses out, or can't decide if they can go until the last minute. I realize that this conversation is not about genorosity, but more so about behavior at a show. Let me make some points on this as well. It's hard to say exactly how many shows I've attended with Don.. but I have to say that he is always the most attentive of listeners. As far as I can remember, he has never spoken during songs, or acted in any way that could be considered "annoying" by anyone until this latest show.. which if I recall he only shouted during the applause of other fans. For the record, I was the one saying "this is my FAVORITE Patty song at the beginning of Nobody's Crying, because I had described it to a Patty newbie before the show. Then I rethought it, and decided it was in my top 5 Patty songs & told him so. Like he stated, there may have been some brief conversation at the beginning or introduction of a song as we were discussing what song this was to a new listener..so shoot him/us for slipping up at 1 of the many Patty shows that he's attended! If something like that could be deemed out of line, then the singers in the audience should have been thrown out on their asses after the 1st few songs. That's all I have to say. I wouldn't have even spoken up if it was not Don who was the issue here. Dave "Faithful As I Is the story of my life Tortured in my soul But everything's gonna be alright" ~~ Darcie Miner ~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 19:07:08 EDT From: Elpenor50@aol.com Subject: MM: Audience If you are yelling and whistling at a concert, you are probably annoying someone, no matter who you are. Now it is a matter of whether you choose to keep behaving that way. That's all. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 20:18:54 -0400 From: "Sarah Stanley" Subject: Re: MM: Opinion on this concert jargon I don't post often and I don't know the other MM'ers very well although I've met a bunch....but I can say that what Jen and Dave say is true from what I've seen of Don. After only my first week or so on this list (a while ago now), I received a video and cd's from Don - I hadn't even said barely two words on here to get my name out there and yet he still sent them to me. There are many excited fans at Patty shows and no one deserves to be bitched out for once or twice speaking aloud at a show. I understand the frustration of constant conversation during a show (movie, concert, play, etc) but give me a break. Some excited jitters at the opening of a song or sounds of glee during the applause....these are things that show how we feel about the artist and their art. Maybe it's not as couth as one would like it to be, but it sure is fun. And it seems to me that a lot of people could use a bit more fun in their lives and stop being so critical (not directed at ANYONE in particular, for real!). At any rate, the few times I've seen Don he's been nothing but chilled. :) so, keep on keepin' on y'all.... Sarah ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* "I have never chased the curve. A lot of people will try to dilute you--give your music a nose job or a little bow tie: "Don't perspire now; shave under your arms." But I'm a small vineyard. And I'm not willing to sacrifice the way I make the wine to get into Safeway. You know what I mean?" -Tori Amos >From: FlamingRed74@cs.com >To: mad-mission@smoe.org >Subject: Re: MM: Opinion on this concert jargon >Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 19:06:11 EDT > >As Jen wrote.. I too have had the pleasure of attending many a show with >Don. > > >I would like to clarify though that Jen is DEAD wrong when she states "Don >is >probably the most generous member of this list.." he IS the most generous >member of this list, case closed. I have been on this mailing list almost >since it's inception, then left for a few months.. but have been a fairly >frequent poster ever since. > >I've met MANY MM'ers (not Jen Powelson yet.. :-( ), and I must say all of >them have been a pleasure ..(except for that loudmouth EG.. ha ha). There >are MANY other generous people, Dana (who got me started collecting stuff), >Jen Caputo & Powelson, and let's not forget the list owner Mike! With that >said, no one holds a candle to Don. > >From the word Go Don has been ever so generous to everyone who has ever >asked >for anything on this list. People can make a general statement to the list >as to wanting something, & Don is ALWAYS there to help them. He and I both >share something in that we take pride in spreading Patty's music. We both >know how it makes us feel to hear new material, and it feels great to know >that we can help make others get that same feeling. > >The next few things go beyond just common generosity. How many others here >can say they've driven more than 400 miles OUT OF THEIR WAY just to pick up >another MM'er? Let's take that 1 step further, and say you do that 2 days >in >a row, then pay for their ticket, pay for their drinks and meal.. AND pay >for >their hotel room. Take that, and then also include giving away other >tickets >to "new Patty fans" who have been shut out of the show because it is sold >out.. and you absolutely don't allow them to pay. > >There are many other things (probably many more I don't know about), like >how >he takes the time to take rare material and hands it out to those that are >"true fans" outside the venue. I will make a bold statement here and say >that noone else here has ever done all of those things in their lifetime. >Don does this at EVERY SHOW, all in a single day! > >How many other MM'ers can say they've made hundreds of CD's for people, and >spent WEEKS (not even hours here folks) putting together a Patty video >compilation for anyone who wanted one to enjoy? This is not just dubbing, >this included tenuous mixing in of audio to silent video footage, and >working >it all together so that it looks and sounds like a professional production. > >In my estimation, Don has logged well over 20,000 miles in his car, flown >to >Texas to board a cruise ship with Patty, all in attending more than 20 >Patty >shows. Each time he purchases far more tickets than he needs just in case >an >MM'er misses out, or can't decide if they can go until the last minute. > >I realize that this conversation is not about genorosity, but more so about >behavior at a show. Let me make some points on this as well. > >It's hard to say exactly how many shows I've attended with Don.. but I have >to say that he is always the most attentive of listeners. As far as I can >remember, he has never spoken during songs, or acted in any way that could >be >considered "annoying" by anyone until this latest show.. which if I recall >he >only shouted during the applause of other fans. > >For the record, I was the one saying "this is my FAVORITE Patty song at the >beginning of Nobody's Crying, because I had described it to a Patty newbie >before the show. Then I rethought it, and decided it was in my top 5 Patty >songs & told him so. > >Like he stated, there may have been some brief conversation at the >beginning >or introduction of a song as we were discussing what song this was to a new >listener..so shoot him/us for slipping up at 1 of the many Patty shows that >he's attended! If something like that could be deemed out of line, then >the >singers in the audience should have been thrown out on their asses after >the >1st few songs. > >That's all I have to say. I wouldn't have even spoken up if it was not Don >who was the issue here. > >Dave > > "Faithful As I > Is the story of my life > Tortured in my soul > But everything's gonna be alright" > ~~ Darcie Miner ~~ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V5 #193 *********************************