From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V5 #188 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.quackquack.net/pattyg * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Thursday, August 2 2001 Volume 05 : Number 188 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM:writer of "Together Again" [BLUEHEN@webtv.net] MM: Frequency of digests [Ronda ] MM: RE: Frequency of digests - (all please read) List ADMIN ["Connell, M] MM: take care, shameless promotion (mostly NPG) ["Paul Russell" ] MM: RE: Taping ["Eric Southward" ] MM: Dave's belated "review" of Birchmere & Ram's Head [FlamingRed74@cs.co] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 02:08:43 -0400 (EDT) From: BLUEHEN@webtv.net Subject: Re: MM:writer of "Together Again" Believe it or not, it was Buck Owens (the guy from Hee Haw!) ~Patty Blee~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 06:21:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Ronda Subject: MM: Frequency of digests I hate to be a pill ... but as much as I love PG, what is the deal with 3 or 4 digests a day? I thought a digest implied a daily summary. Am I wrong? Grrr. Hope all are well! Ronda Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 10:34:32 -0400 From: "Connell, Michael P" Subject: MM: RE: Frequency of digests - (all please read) List ADMIN Ronda lamented: >I hate to be a pill ... but as much as I love PG, what >is the deal with 3 or 4 digests a day? I thought a >digest implied a daily summary. Am I wrong? A digest is published once a day IF there are less than 18K worth of total text in the messages for that day. If the days worth of posts build up to 18K before the usual publish (in our case 1:35am ET), then a digest is published once that 18K threshold is crossed, no matter what time it is.. So, if we have an unusually busy day, we might get 3 or 4 digests, all roughly 18K in size. I could make the digests larger, say 40K. You'd still get the exact same amount of text, but less actual digests. The problem with that is that some email programs out there the list members use automatically convert emails over 25K in size into a text attachment, which is not really desirable for a number of reasons. All digest members should have the luxury to be able to just read the digest without having to downlaod or open an attachment, in my opinion. One thing that can he lp minimize the number of digests and amount of text coming through this list each day is if list members who insist on quoting ENTIRE emails in their posts would PLEASE eliminate the quoted text that is not necessary. One should only quote the text of a previous post tha tis necessary to support their own post or opinion. This seems to be a real problem on this list in particular. I hope this answers your question, Mike - list owner (at work) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 11:17:50 -0500 From: "Paul Russell" Subject: MM: take care, shameless promotion (mostly NPG) Okay, *****First a Patty Griffin comment***** You know, if Patty Griffin writes a song entitled, "Florida" you would think she might actually come here to play or something. Yeah, she's been in Jacksonville with the Dix Chix; but I've been in Pensacola now for over 4 years and the closest she's come to Florida (or at least my neck of Florida) has been Birmingham (twice). Maybe she should write a song entitled, "Alabama" instead. Well, she was recording the Silver Bell Album in New Orleans, and that would be about two hours closer. But that's still not Florida. ********Final note************** The local punk band This Bike is a Pipe Bomb is starting their Folk Music For Kids tour (AKA-Songs of our Soil tour)today. Since I'm documenting it as a graduate directed study (and possible distribution in December) and won't be around for email, I'm unsubscribing from the MM list. Hey, did I just hear a sigh of relief? DOH! Finally, some sanity will return to the MM List, talking about intelligent things like Yacht outings or wine tastings or Plutonium....or the significance of the United States having a service-based economy. Well, curses will be foiled because I'll try to unbusy myself when I get back and re-subscribe. But shooting a 40 to 1 ratio, there will be a lot of editing. If you are interested in punk versions of folk songs like "John Henry," "Erie Canal," "I am a Union Woman," "Joe Hill," "Preacher and the Slave," "Tennessee Waltz," "We Shall Not be Moved," etc.., then they'll be in these towns coming up in the next couple weeks: Tallahassee, FL Aug 3 Gainesville, FL Aug 4 Athens, GA maybe Aug. 5 Asheville NC maybe Aug. 6 Chattanooga TN? maybe Aug. 7 Bloomington, IN around Aug. 8 or 9 Kirksville, MO around Aug. 9 or 10 Columbia, MO (1810 Ranch) Around Aug 10 or 11? Memphis, TN Cleaveland, MS Auburn, AL maybe??? Aug. 14 or 15? They've changed their original line up they gave me, so I don't know the exact dates or cities anymore. And most of the venues are at punk houses or clubs, so you have to ask around. In other words, this band obviously needs like a manager or something because I'm taping their whole ding-darn tour and I don't even know where or when This Band is a Pipe Bomb is actually playing. Well, my team is just running the cameras. If no one shows up to their concerts, so be it. I think they have a pretty big word-of-mouth following though. We'll see. They've got booklets and CDs they're sending to the venues so the kids will be able to sing or play along, and my Directed Study partners will be doing publishing a zine to go along with the documentary that will include essays of 6 songs, plus journal entries. anway, enough of the shameless promotion. I need to get ready. Take care all. It's been nice venting and drinking....and drinking and drinking and falling over passed out. And waking up hunched over somebody else's toilet. Patty Griffin Rocks! Especially with the "obey me" boots. yummy. Paul ******************************************* * * * You're right. That's not a way to die. * * Your parachute not opening, now THAT'S * * a way to die. Getting stuck between * * the gears of a combine. Having your * * nuts bit off by a Lapplander. That's * * the way I wanna go. * * --Lt. Frank Drebbin * * from Naked Gun * ******************************************* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:48:22 -0400 From: "Connell, Michael P" Subject: MM: RE: take care, shameless promotion (mostly NPG) Paul done saided: > *****First a Patty Griffin comment***** > You know, if Patty Griffin writes a song entitled, "Florida" you would think > she might actually come here to play or something Ya know, when Jewel released a song called "Jupiter", NO ONE on the Jewel list from Jupiter complained that she (to their knowledge) had never actually been to Jupiter. The nerve of some people ;-) Mike - who lives in a city where the "Concert Of The Year" the last three years were The Monkees, Chicago and the Righteous Brothers. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:44:15 -0700 From: "Israelson Family" Subject: MM: RE: take care, shameless promotion (mostly NPG)/Florida Hey, isn't Jupiter in Florida? I saw the Expos and Marlins play an exhibition game there last spring. ;-) Larry I in LA Paul Russell done saided: > You know, if Patty Griffin writes a song entitled, "Florida" you would > think she might actually come here to play or something... Mike Connell replied: > Ya know, when Jewel released a song called "Jupiter", NO ONE on the Jewel > list from Jupiter complained that she (to their knowledge) had never > actually been to Jupiter. > > The nerve of some people ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 18:03:08 -0400 From: Richard Challen Subject: MM: Patty at Cats.. Hey Don! Hey Don, I think we met at the Cats Cradle standing in line... Were you the one I talked to about the Calvin College show? That's a great one that was distributed via this list a while back. Let me know if you haven't found it yet, you can email me at rchallen@mindspring.com. Be patient, tho... I'm in the middle of moving... > Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 21:28:30 -0400 > From: "donhenn" > Subject: MM: Cat's Cradle > > MMers , > > Thanks to rICH for the setlist , which is exactly the > same as Birchmere , & almost the same as the other > two. > Patty & Doug had much better chemistry than > Atlanta. Doug had a number of guitars , pedals > & attachments , with which he made a number of > non-guitar-like sounds , & he seemed to be > experimenting. This actually reminded me of Duncan Sheik's acoustic shows back in June... He was accompanied by a great guitarist (forgot the name, sorry) who did a lot of "non-traditional" accompaniment... slide, delay effects, Ebow, you name it. Very emphatetic, yet it filled out the sound so much... you never even missed the orchestrations from Duncan's studio records... >After the show , I was standing there when > someone nabbed her lyrics for "Ten Million Miles". (It > wasn't me Patty !! ) I didn't know what it was at the time. > Then I was standing there looking at the setlist , wanting to > take it , so that I could see the name of the new song. But > they hadn't taken up the lights or started any music , so I > was hoping for another encore song or two. Someone else > got it , & I asked them if I could look at it , & got the name. I think this was me that snatched the setlist!!! Sorry... it's actually the first setlist I've ever grabbed in all my years of seeing shows. And for the record, some girl grabbed Patty's first, I just grabbed Doug's. :^) >I know this > is too long already , but I hate to ignore an excellent opening > act. Caitlain Cory & Thad Cockerell , a country & western > duo with a little bit of nice blues thrown in. They don't have a record out together, but Caitlin Cary does have a nice solo CD on Bloodshot Records called "Waltzie EP." 5 songs but very good. And, of course, Caitlin also played violin in the late-and-lamented Whiskeytown... If you've never heard Whiskeytown and you're a fan of amazing country-rock songwriting, RUN to the store and buy "Strangers Almanac" and "Pneumonia" right now. later, rICH Listen to Rich: Check out the official website of Backyard Green, featuring tour dates, lyrics, pictures, and updates on the soon-to-be-released new album: http://www.backyardgreen.com And be sure to check out Rich's solo website at: http://listen.to/rich.com http://www.geocities.com/richardchallen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:17:47 +1100 From: "Eric Southward" Subject: MM: RE: Taping Rich, you did a great job explaining copyright in the context of cover bands and venues that pay to play them. someone had mentioned before that regular people probably wouldn't get targeted. I agree. Someone had also wondered what the fines would be. You would think if you made no money on it then it wouoldn't be much, right? Wrong. The law allows a copyright owner to either get actual damages or profits of the infringer. If it's Regular Joe who hasn't made any money, then the copyright owner probably wouldn't go that route. However, the owner could elect for the damages listed in the copyright law. The law provides for no less than $750 up to $30,000. And if you can prove they did the infringement on purpose (willfully) with full knowledge of the copyright, then you can get no less than $200 up to $150,000. Oh, and here is the other part. These damages can be awarded PER INCIDENT. This means if you recorded 100 shows, you get slammed with up to $100,000 per show recorded. Ouch. Anyway, that's why a copyright owner would go after someone. The damages can be huge. Of course, you and I don't have enough money to probably be a target. But just be careful anyway. I am done on the issue. Thanks everyone. I will go back to lurking on the group and waiting for PG to come my way ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 22:29:03 EDT From: FlamingRed74@cs.com Subject: MM: Dave's belated "review" of Birchmere & Ram's Head Ok guys.. here it is.. First I have to say, god bless Don for driving from Charlottesville, VA all the way to Carlisle, PA to pick me up for the Birchmere show. I'm confident in sayinig that this guy has done more good deeds for Patty fans than Patty has.. so what if he decides to be have a few drinks, and act borish and yell "Patty Griffin" after a lot of songs on 1 particular night? Anyway.. first the Birchmere. I got there not too long before the doors opened, and had the pleasure to meet 2 of the most beautiful MMer's Gretchen & Becca. Becca showed me what Guinness drinking was all about, by the time she was done downing them the Birchmere had no more Guinness to serve! Paul, you would have been out of luck buddy! Boy can that girl hold her alcohol. :-) I think Paul & Becca just may be a match made in heaven.. LOL Anyway, now to the show. I couldn't believe it had been NINE months since the last time I saw Patty. This was the longest layoff for me since the in between period of LWG & FR, so I was pretty excited to see our beloved little redhead rock the house! I knew there was going to be lots of material that I wasn't familiar with, but I had no idea it would all be THIS GOOD. The songs have been described in detail by many others so I won't go there.. but my personal favorire (for now) is probably Rain. I can't wait to get my hands on 1 of those illegal recordings from 1 of those Borish MMer's! I can't remember if this has been mentioned, but if it has it won't hurt to hear it again. The crowd was VERY enthusiastic throughout her entire set. She got even bigger responses from Poor Man's House, and lots of the new songs. At one point the crowd just kept applauding after a song (my memory fails me & I can't recall which one.. maybe Sweet Lorraine??) & it even shocked Patty. She turned around to quickly look behind her, as if someone really famous had walked up onto the stage behind her.. LOL No Patty, it's JUST you.. YOU do that for us! I don't think I've been a part of a crowd that was more INTO her show outside of the Philly area. My only complaint about the show is that she didn't play EVERY song she's ever written.. but I guess that's asking a bit too much. I'd be willing to pay MUCH more than the $21 ticket to have it happen though, that's for sure. It was quite a different experience to hear only a few songs from LWG at one of her w/out band shows though.. I'm used to hearing nearly the entire album at those type of shows. One other comment about that night. Every time I don't see Patty for a few months, it's not like I forget how incredible she is, but it's like I lose touch with the impact that her voice has on you in person. The Birchmere & Ram's Head shows were much more quiet (as far as volume level) than most shows I've been to.. but Patty's voice still had that impact. I've been to see hundreds and hundreds of concerts, and I've actually heard a few good singers out of all of them.. Patty is the ONLY person I've ever heard that when she sings, her voice fills the room entirely. When she hits certain notes it touches you from the top of your head, all the way to the base of your spine. It's almost creepy at times if you ask me... but a VERY, VERY good creepy. Now on to the Ram's Head. This place is even a bit more intimate than the Birchmere. She played virtually the same set list as the Birchmere (with 1 NOTABLE exception I'll explain later).. but she seemed to be a little bit more focused and comfortable with playing out again. In a moment in between songs she started talking with the people in the crowd off to the side of the room. She apologized for them being the only ones that were somewhat distant from the stage, and said that she would "try to look in their direction more often". She said she had to come up with a nickname for those people, and at the suggestion of one of the people she called them "South Austin", which she was "very jealous of". Maybe one of the MMer's from Austin (Ronda or Mimi??) could elaborate on what that may mean for those of us who have not been fortunate enough to ever go there. I gather from what was said that South Austin is the high class part of town, is that right? The definite highlight of this show was when she FINALLY broke out "Nobody's Crying". This seems to be one of the consensus "favorite" songs of lots of people here, and she hasn't played it in forever.. I even mentioned the night before that I had wished she'd bring that song back. It would be a shame to let a song so beautiful "die" w/out so many people getting to hear it. Hopefully this show was a sign of things to come and she'll start playing it more, and maybe even release it on the next CD! (ha ha, I realize most wishful thinking.. but we all need a little hope in our lives don't we?!) The only downer, or bad part of the night was the people behind us who felt the need to sing along (loudly) to every song they knew. Thankfully they knew none of the new ones, and none of the rare ones (thank god not Nobody's Crying or I would have had to open up a can of whoop ass on their roody poo candy asses!). With the volume level being much lower than at a typical Patty show, there were times when they were singing so loudly that it was almost the effect of having a duet with Patty.. and that's NEVER a good thing. Before I end this, once again I'd like to thank Don who drove to every show on this little mini-tour. not only that, but also insitsted on coming WAY out of his way to pick me up, and also drove from the Birchmere to Philly, then back to the Ram's Head to give Karla a ride! Then of course back to Philly to take her home after the show, then back home all the way across the state of PA. .. not to mention paying for everyone's tickets, but I won't get into that. If anyone has the right to say "Patty Griffin" at the end of particular songs, it's this guy who earned the right to call himself "Patty's most passionate fan" (yes I admitted it, even over me.. Gasp!) ..but I didn't say he's her BEST fan! :-) Dave "Patty Griffin!!!" ~~ Don Henn ~~ ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V5 #188 *********************************