From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V5 #183 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.quackquack.net/pattyg * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Tuesday, July 31 2001 Volume 05 : Number 183 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: MM: male singer/songwriters ["Luca, Joseph" Subject: RE: MM: male singer/songwriters Howdy- Just got back from a long weekend, and saw a few posts about male singer/songwriters. I already responded to Randy, but just for clarification: When I opined that the vast majority of sterling singer/songwriters were women, I was referring to current, folk/folkish artists. Certainly no disrespect intended for the peerless Messrs. Dylan, Springsteen, Lennon, et al. But for my tastes, the balance these days is tilted decidedly to the women's side. Ciao, Joe -----Original Message----- From: MactheMutt@aol.com [SMTP:MactheMutt@aol.com] Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 12:05 AM To: Luca, Joseph (DMA); Mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: Re: MM: male singer/songwriters In a message dated 7/26/01 3:52:40 PM Central Daylight Time, JLuca@nt.dma.state.ma.us writes: While the vast majority of stellar singer/songwriters are women, there are a few male gems out there You're kidding right? Ever hear of Bob Dylan, Warren Zevon, Kris Kristofferson, Roy Orbison, John Lennon....... NO woman has ever come close to having the impact on music that Bob Dylan alone has. Ever. Period. Sheesh. What a statement you made. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 13:54:34 EDT From: FlamingRed74@cs.com Subject: Re: MM: Patty being "anti-taping" MMer's, ..Jumping in on the issue of Patty being "anti-trading" or against rarities compilations... I won't pretend to be Patty's best friend, or to know her on a personal level, or to even know what goes through her head on this subject.. I will just share with you my experiences on numerous times that I have met her (or attended an online chat) over the years & the subject of the people on this list (but not limited to ONLY those on this list) recording & trading has been brought to her attention. I've witnessed people ask her several times about certain songs that they've heard on a Rarities compilation and "will they ever be released on a CD?". I've heard people tell her about the numerous bootlegs they have, & I've even watched people personally hand her the 1st Rarities compilation to listen to & Patty has never once seemed uneasy, & certainly not "against" us listening to this stuff... In all honestly she seems gracious that the fans are that into her & that they care so dearly about her music. Let's not forget, she too, is a huge music fan. I'm sure she listened to boots of her favorite artists, like the Boss & Dylan, etc.. she knows all about a fans desire to find more music, particularly in a time when record companies (namely Interscope) are such morons & won't release her music the way it was intended (by Patty) to be heard. As a friend to lots of different artists, I can say that most of them are cool with this behavior (a lot of them encourage it if you give them a good recording.. ) as long as you're not profiteering. One great thing about the people from this list is that I've NEVER read a post, or a private email where someone was soliciting ANY money for one of Patty's shows, or "Rarities" compilations. This is not the case on a lot of other emailing lists. The only other issue would be a copyright issue.. i.e... someone hears a boot that includes a song that is not yet copyrighted, and they start playing it themselves as if it was "theirs" in the 1st place. This is something I can see the artist having a beef with.. but this is just as likely, if not more likely to happen if someone who is familiar with Patty Griffin goes to show and tapes it themselves.. more so than the trader who is genuinely interested in her live music. Also, about the venue being "against" recording. I too saw people recording at the Birchmere, and I've also heard many recordings from there in the past. If they were so "against" it those people would have had their equipment confiscated, and been drug out of there faster than a theif withtout a license to steal.. LOL If someone like us who just attends a show sees other fans recording, don't you think the employees & security people (those people who must be at EVERY show there) would notice as well? Those rules seem to be posted so that noone is being blatant about recording, as in using video equipment, or being arrogant about doing their audio taping so that everyone can see what they're doing. If the venue was SO MUCH against it there would not be hundreds of bootlegs from The Birchmere, that's for certain. Dave's .02 cents. "Love me Blind & Colour Me Divine" ~~ Darcie Miner ~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:33:15 -0700 From: Peter Palmer Subject: MM: Has anyone taped the recent shows? If anyone taped these on DAT or minidisc, I've got plenty to trade. http://home.netcom.com/~plpalmer Peter dissident@mindspring.com wrote: > Did that get your attention? > > I wish it would get one of those inept record exec's attention from > Interscope. Yes, last night's show at the Birchmere was indeed > sickening. Why? Because it is SICKENING that a peerless artist like > Patty Griffin can be having such a hard time releasing her music. It > is sickening that someone of her amazing talent can continue to be > generally overlooked by the music-buying public. But I guess that's > the world we live in. > > >From a fan perspective, though, the show was simply amazing. Patty > came out in her big black boots, long black dress, hair pulled back > and launched into a really haunting version of "Carry Me," with Doug > Lancio, from the Flaming Red-era band (I think) providing really > ethereal guitar work. Patty didn't play on this one, just sang. "Carry > Me" is one of my least favorite songs on FR, but this version really > made me look at the song in a different light. It was beautiful. > > After that, Patty strapped on the guitar for pretty much the rest of > the evening. Her guitar playing was really strong and rough, full of > attitude, and her voice was everything you would have hoped it would > be live. She hit such huge notes with seemingly minimal effort. It was > just awe-inspiring to watch. > > The set list consisted of a great mix of all her stuff, including some > AMAZING new songs. The second song of the evening was a surprising > "Love From My Lips," on which she broke a string. Doug changed it for > her while she then played an incredible "Poor Man's House." Doug > seemed to be guitarist AND guitar tech for the evening. At one > point,Patty was playing the opening of a new song, but her guitar > wasn't "on." She didn't seem to realize it, and Doug came over and > calmly stepped on her volume pedal. She started laughing and began the > song again, saying, "Thank God for professional musicians." A funny > moment. > > As to the new stuff, here's what I remember. > > A song called "Florida" was inspired by her and a friend moving to > Florida when she was 19 or 20, searching for adventure and ending up > working at a Holiday Inn for a couple years. Her introduction to the > song was humourous, but the song itself was achingly beautiful. > > Another new one (my personal favorite) was called "Chief." It was > about a Native American vietnam vet from her town who came back from > the war without all of his mental faculties intact. He would > apparently march up and down the street and salute people at random. > This song was uptempo, folky (with some cool mando-guitar) and had > some really incredible lyrics. > > She did a song that was either called "All the Girls" or "Be Careful > With Me" that I'm assuming was a new one, although she didn't > introduce it. Both of the aforementioned two lines were repeated a lot > throughout the song, which is why I'm assuming one or the other is the > title. A slow, haunting, beautiful song. I remember the lines, "Be > careful how you bend me / be careful where you send me / be careful > how you end me / be careful with me." > > She did another called "Rain." Too many songs with that title, in my > opinion, but this was certainly one of the best of 'em. More uptempo - > should sound really great with a full band behind it. > > Finally, towards the end of the show, she did one that she claimed to > have just written "last week." She warned that she might forget the > lyrics, and, sure enough, she did, in the second verse, singing > "Da-da-da-da" instead of the words and then continuing. Kind of funny. > I think this one was probably called "A million miles" or something to > that effect. > > As to the rest of the set, I can't remember the exact order, but, > along with the 6 others already mentioned, she did "perfect white > girls," "Top of the World," "Sweet Lorraine," "Tomorrow Night," > "Flaming Red" (INCREDIBLE!!!), an unbelievable version of > Springsteen's "Stolen Car," "Mad Mission," "Change" and, of course, > "Mary." I'm sure there were some others that I'm missing, but they > escape me at the moment. > > Kiersten, can we still work out a deal for that boot?? :-) > > The place was packed (500 people, maybe more?), and at times the > applause just wouldn't stop between songs. Patty seemed really > surprised and genuinely moved at this, at one point saying, "You guys > are going to make me cry." > > She did talk about her "difficulty putting any records out," and said > that her and Doug were working on the new album which should be out > sometime "next year," called "A Thousand Kisses." > > I just really hope that whatever was on "Silver Bell" doesn't fall > through the cracks. I had a feeling that was going to be an amazing > album, and again, thinking of that album being totally ditched by the > record company just absolutely sickened me. But, Patty seems to be > moving on quite nicely, so I guess we should just enjoy the music and > hope for the best regarding the next album. > > Anyway, sorry for the novel, but I thought some would be interested in > a more in-depth review of a recent show. > > http://www.thedissidents.com > > ********* > ************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:33:00 EDT From: Seiji64@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Patty being "anti-taping" Below is a post on "Recording" from the TALK BACK! section of the Birchmere website (www.birchmere.com), dated 1/10/2001, posted by a representative of the Birchmere: ====================================================== Well, the issue of recording shows "for home use" is a touchy one. Yes, there are many artists who have begun allowing fans to tape their live shows, yet they are still in the minority. Most Nationally touring acts DO NOT allow taping (with the exception of Phish, Dave Matthews & a handfull of other similar acts). Even when an artist does allow recording, the venue has the final say, as we are the ones who have to deal with the logitics of taping (i.e. tapers section, checking equipment at door, etc). Also, as we are a completely seated, general admission venue, we cannot have mic stands blocking peoples views & we cannot reserve a group of seats for a "Taper Section". All that said, the majority of the acts we present at The Birchmere DO NOT allow recording. When we present acts like Victor Wooten or David Grisman (for example), who normally allow recording, they know that The Birchmere has a "No Recording" policy & they are fine with it. There has never been an issue with an! act regarding our "No Recording " policy. I hope this gives an acceptable explanation of why we have a "No Recording" policy at The Birchmere. ======================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:08:22 -0400 From: "Sarah Stanley" Subject: Re: MM: Has anyone taped the recent shows? I second that!!! :) I would love to make a copy of any of the Patty/Tori/Dave Matthews stuff that I have in exchange for these new shows! :) Sarah >From: Peter Palmer >Reply-To: PlPalmer@ix.netcom.com >To: mad-mission@smoe.org >Subject: MM: Has anyone taped the recent shows? >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:33:15 -0700 > >If anyone taped these on DAT or minidisc, I've got plenty to trade. > > > > http://home.netcom.com/~plpalmer > > >Peter > >dissident@mindspring.com wrote: > > > Did that get your attention? > > > > I wish it would get one of those inept record exec's attention from > > Interscope. Yes, last night's show at the Birchmere was indeed > > sickening. Why? Because it is SICKENING that a peerless artist like > > Patty Griffin can be having such a hard time releasing her music. It > > is sickening that someone of her amazing talent can continue to be > > generally overlooked by the music-buying public. But I guess that's > > the world we live in. > > > > >From a fan perspective, though, the show was simply amazing. Patty > > came out in her big black boots, long black dress, hair pulled back > > and launched into a really haunting version of "Carry Me," with Doug > > Lancio, from the Flaming Red-era band (I think) providing really > > ethereal guitar work. Patty didn't play on this one, just sang. "Carry > > Me" is one of my least favorite songs on FR, but this version really > > made me look at the song in a different light. It was beautiful. > > > > After that, Patty strapped on the guitar for pretty much the rest of > > the evening. Her guitar playing was really strong and rough, full of > > attitude, and her voice was everything you would have hoped it would > > be live. She hit such huge notes with seemingly minimal effort. It was > > just awe-inspiring to watch. > > > > The set list consisted of a great mix of all her stuff, including some > > AMAZING new songs. The second song of the evening was a surprising > > "Love From My Lips," on which she broke a string. Doug changed it for > > her while she then played an incredible "Poor Man's House." Doug > > seemed to be guitarist AND guitar tech for the evening. At one > > point,Patty was playing the opening of a new song, but her guitar > > wasn't "on." She didn't seem to realize it, and Doug came over and > > calmly stepped on her volume pedal. She started laughing and began the > > song again, saying, "Thank God for professional musicians." A funny > > moment. > > > > As to the new stuff, here's what I remember. > > > > A song called "Florida" was inspired by her and a friend moving to > > Florida when she was 19 or 20, searching for adventure and ending up > > working at a Holiday Inn for a couple years. Her introduction to the > > song was humourous, but the song itself was achingly beautiful. > > > > Another new one (my personal favorite) was called "Chief." It was > > about a Native American vietnam vet from her town who came back from > > the war without all of his mental faculties intact. He would > > apparently march up and down the street and salute people at random. > > This song was uptempo, folky (with some cool mando-guitar) and had > > some really incredible lyrics. > > > > She did a song that was either called "All the Girls" or "Be Careful > > With Me" that I'm assuming was a new one, although she didn't > > introduce it. Both of the aforementioned two lines were repeated a lot > > throughout the song, which is why I'm assuming one or the other is the > > title. A slow, haunting, beautiful song. I remember the lines, "Be > > careful how you bend me / be careful where you send me / be careful > > how you end me / be careful with me." > > > > She did another called "Rain." Too many songs with that title, in my > > opinion, but this was certainly one of the best of 'em. More uptempo - > > should sound really great with a full band behind it. > > > > Finally, towards the end of the show, she did one that she claimed to > > have just written "last week." She warned that she might forget the > > lyrics, and, sure enough, she did, in the second verse, singing > > "Da-da-da-da" instead of the words and then continuing. Kind of funny. > > I think this one was probably called "A million miles" or something to > > that effect. > > > > As to the rest of the set, I can't remember the exact order, but, > > along with the 6 others already mentioned, she did "perfect white > > girls," "Top of the World," "Sweet Lorraine," "Tomorrow Night," > > "Flaming Red" (INCREDIBLE!!!), an unbelievable version of > > Springsteen's "Stolen Car," "Mad Mission," "Change" and, of course, > > "Mary." I'm sure there were some others that I'm missing, but they > > escape me at the moment. > > > > Kiersten, can we still work out a deal for that boot?? :-) > > > > The place was packed (500 people, maybe more?), and at times the > > applause just wouldn't stop between songs. Patty seemed really > > surprised and genuinely moved at this, at one point saying, "You guys > > are going to make me cry." > > > > She did talk about her "difficulty putting any records out," and said > > that her and Doug were working on the new album which should be out > > sometime "next year," called "A Thousand Kisses." > > > > I just really hope that whatever was on "Silver Bell" doesn't fall > > through the cracks. I had a feeling that was going to be an amazing > > album, and again, thinking of that album being totally ditched by the > > record company just absolutely sickened me. But, Patty seems to be > > moving on quite nicely, so I guess we should just enjoy the music and > > hope for the best regarding the next album. > > > > Anyway, sorry for the novel, but I thought some would be interested in > > a more in-depth review of a recent show. > > > > http://www.thedissidents.com > > > > ********* > > ************* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V5 #183 *********************************