From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V5 #174 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.quackquack.net/pattyg * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Wednesday, July 25 2001 Volume 05 : Number 174 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Re: new female folk [optimystic@att.net] MM: Singers List ["Steve Capes" ] MM: Re: NPC: Nikka Costa.. anyone heard her? ["Darcie Miner" ] MM: Popularity doesn't Offend me; Crap Does [Lisa C Subject: MM: Singers List The first Kirsty MacColl album I bought was Kite, which became a quick favorite with its humor and trenchant social insights. Kirsty's 'Electric Landlady' grew on me after time and I loved the track, 'It's my Affair,' which I believe was her first foray into Latin music. In 'Tropical Brainstorm,' Kirsty took her love of with la musica latina and went to town! The musical arrangements on this album are so well done and Kirsty's Spanish so adept, you'd never know this was the work of an English girl! One of the tracks not influenced by the Cuban vibe would be the lovely 'Autumngirlsoup'with its breathy vocals and gastronomic metaphors. Kirsty MacColl was one of those rare artists who got the joke. What a tragedy that Ms. MacColl was killed by a speedboat while she was swimming with her two children. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:07:10 -0400 From: "Darcie Miner" Subject: MM: Re: NPC: Nikka Costa.. anyone heard her? Dave! Dude she's rocks. The song you're thinking of is "Like a Feather." - which really IS nothing like the rest of the record. The second track is called "So Have I For You" -killer lyrics, "..i don't need a gun i got a microphone and a melody or two.." I also got a video of her's sent to me, like an 8 min. segment... She's like a mix of Beth Hart and Janis Joplin on stage, you KNOW what i'm talking about. I must say in my opinion, seeing clips of her live, the record does her no justice. It's more of jazzy/earth wind and fire type stuff, but with drumloops and synths...and then the next song'll be some kinda acoustic thing. And she can be screamin on stage..on those harder edged tunes. (she is a *bit* ahead of her time with this style.. i don't think the world is ready to hear a sound like this again) So it's all different..but it's all good. My suggestion is pick it up. later, ~darc http://www.darcieminer.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: FlamingRed74@cs.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 11:50 PM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: NPC: Nikka Costa.. anyone heard her? Hey guys, I've come across a few reviews for Nikka Costa's new CD, and they all sound great! She doesn't exactly sound like Patty's "style" but still sounds very interesting and like something I'd like to check out. I would have ordered the CD by now, but I have a slight problem. I've been reading that her one video was being shown on MTV a good bit, and that's usually a VERY bad sign.. It also said in the review that the single isn't really like the rest of the CD.. so that's encouraging. I know it's a shame to have to AVOID those whose music is on MTV because MTV only shows garbage crap music that they can spoonfeed to the masses, but hence.. this is the the world we are forced to live in at the moment. I have too many CD's lying around that I never listen to as it is, therefore.. I'm looking to those with a musical taste that I respect before forking out $13 plus shipping for something that may or may not be very good. Suggestions & comments from anyone who has heard her entire CD.. and not just the single would be greatly appreciated! DaveGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:28:10 -0400 From: "Gretchen Corl" Subject: Re: MM: Re: NPC: Nikka Costa.. anyone heard her? I got a six-song sampler of Nikka's for 25 cents...it's ok...I, too, have an MTV issue to deal with...I think she is a bit too mainstream for me...I also think I just really don't like the sound, in general...totally only my opinion, though...most people are going ape for her....that could also be why I'm avoiding her like the plague. I, personally, feel better about spending my money on indie artists, and there are plenty I have yet to support. Darcie, I think you are right when you say the album doesn't represent her well...I think it's a bit overproduced for my taste and that she would be a wild, live show. gretchen >From: "Darcie Miner" >To: >CC: "MM" >Subject: MM: Re: NPC: Nikka Costa.. anyone heard her? >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:07:10 -0400 > >Dave! Dude she's rocks. The song you're thinking of is "Like a Feather." - >which really IS nothing like the rest of the record. The second track is >called "So Have I For You" -killer lyrics, "..i don't need a gun i got a >microphone and a melody or two.." I also got a video of her's sent to me, >like an 8 min. segment... She's like a mix of Beth Hart and Janis Joplin on >stage, you KNOW what i'm talking about. I must say in my opinion, seeing >clips of her live, the record does her no justice. It's more of jazzy/earth >wind and fire type stuff, but with drumloops and synths...and then the next >song'll be some kinda acoustic thing. And she can be screamin on stage..on >those harder edged tunes. (she is a *bit* ahead of her time with this style.. >i don't think the world is ready to hear a sound like this again) So it's all >different..but it's all good. My suggestion is pick it up. >later, >~darc http://www.darcieminer.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: FlamingRed74@cs.com >Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 11:50 PM >To: mad-mission@smoe.org >Subject: MM: NPC: Nikka Costa.. anyone heard her? > >Hey guys, > >I've come across a few reviews for Nikka Costa's new CD, and they all sound >great! She doesn't exactly sound like Patty's "style" but still sounds very >interesting and like something I'd like to check out. > >I would have ordered the CD by now, but I have a slight problem. I've been >reading that her one video was being shown on MTV a good bit, and that's >usually a VERY bad sign.. It also said in the review that the single isn't >really like the rest of the CD.. so that's encouraging. > >I know it's a shame to have to AVOID those whose music is on MTV because MTV >only shows garbage crap music that they can spoonfeed to the masses, but >hence.. this is the the world we are forced to live in at the moment. > >I have too many CD's lying around that I never listen to as it is, >therefore.. I'm looking to those with a musical taste that I respect before >forking out $13 plus shipping for something that may or may not be very good. > > >Suggestions & comments from anyone who has heard her entire CD.. and not just >the single would be greatly appreciated! > >DaveGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:50:01 -0400 From: Sean Subject: Re: MM: Re: NPC: Nikka Costa.. anyone heard her? Well, I saw her at Montreux a couple of weeks ago and wasn't knocked out. Although it probably wasn't enitrely her fault. For some inexplicable reason they had Beck open for her. It really wasn't fair to her since 99% of the crowd was there to see the opener and didn't really know or care about the headliner. After his show she was rather anticlimatic. But she does exude energy on the stage and her band was kickin'. I don't know. She just sounded kind of outdated. Sean Darcie Miner wrote: > Dave! Dude she's rocks. The song you're thinking of is "Like a Feather." - > which really IS nothing like the rest of the record. The second track is > called "So Have I For You" -killer lyrics, "..i don't need a gun i got a > microphone and a melody or two.." I also got a video of her's sent to me, > like an 8 min. segment... She's like a mix of Beth Hart and Janis Joplin on > stage, you KNOW what i'm talking about. I must say in my opinion, seeing > clips of her live, the record does her no justice. It's more of jazzy/earth > wind and fire type stuff, but with drumloops and synths...and then the next > song'll be some kinda acoustic thing. And she can be screamin on stage..on > those harder edged tunes. (she is a *bit* ahead of her time with this style.. > i don't think the world is ready to hear a sound like this again) So it's all > different..but it's all good. My suggestion is pick it up. > later, > ~darc http://www.darcieminer.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: FlamingRed74@cs.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 11:50 PM > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > Subject: MM: NPC: Nikka Costa.. anyone heard her? > > Hey guys, > > I've come across a few reviews for Nikka Costa's new CD, and they all sound > great! She doesn't exactly sound like Patty's "style" but still sounds very > interesting and like something I'd like to check out. > > I would have ordered the CD by now, but I have a slight problem. I've been > reading that her one video was being shown on MTV a good bit, and that's > usually a VERY bad sign.. It also said in the review that the single isn't > really like the rest of the CD.. so that's encouraging. > > I know it's a shame to have to AVOID those whose music is on MTV because MTV > only shows garbage crap music that they can spoonfeed to the masses, but > hence.. this is the the world we are forced to live in at the moment. > > I have too many CD's lying around that I never listen to as it is, > therefore.. I'm looking to those with a musical taste that I respect before > forking out $13 plus shipping for something that may or may not be very good. > > Suggestions & comments from anyone who has heard her entire CD.. and not just > the single would be greatly appreciated! > > DaveGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:15:03 -0400 From: "Gretchen Corl" Subject: Re: MM: Re: NPC: Nikka Costa.. anyone heard her? Ok, in what kind of universe does Beck open for someone 'new' to the scene? How much money was exchanged for that position? I've been noticing some not very talented musicians getting some big breaks opening for up-and-comers and I just want this explained to me. frustrated, gretchen >From: Sean >To: Darcie Miner >CC: FlamingRed74@cs.com, MM >Subject: Re: MM: Re: NPC: Nikka Costa.. anyone heard her? >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:50:01 -0400 > >Well, I saw her at Montreux a couple of weeks ago and wasn't knocked out. >Although it probably wasn't enitrely her fault. For some inexplicable reason >they had Beck open for her. It really wasn't fair to her since 99% of the crowd >was there to see the opener and didn't really know or care about the headliner. >After his show she was rather anticlimatic. But she does exude energy on the >stage and her band was kickin'. I don't know. She just sounded kind of >outdated. > >Sean > >Darcie Miner wrote: > > > Dave! Dude she's rocks. The song you're thinking of is "Like a Feather." - > > which really IS nothing like the rest of the record. The second track is > > called "So Have I For You" - -killer lyrics, "..i don't need a gun i got a > > microphone and a melody or two.." I also got a video of her's sent to me, > > like an 8 min. segment... She's like a mix of Beth Hart and Janis Joplin on > > stage, you KNOW what i'm talking about. I must say in my opinion, seeing > > clips of her live, the record does her no justice. It's more of jazzy/earth > > wind and fire type stuff, but with drumloops and synths...and then the next > > song'll be some kinda acoustic thing. And she can be screamin on stage..on > > those harder edged tunes. (she is a *bit* ahead of her time with this style.. > > i don't think the world is ready to hear a sound like this again) So it's all > > different..but it's all good. My suggestion is pick it up. > > later, > > ~darc http://www.darcieminer.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: FlamingRed74@cs.com > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 11:50 PM > > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > > Subject: MM: NPC: Nikka Costa.. anyone heard her? > > > > Hey guys, > > > > I've come across a few reviews for Nikka Costa's new CD, and they all sound > > great! She doesn't exactly sound like Patty's "style" but still sounds very > > interesting and like something I'd like to check out. > > > > I would have ordered the CD by now, but I have a slight problem. I've been > > reading that her one video was being shown on MTV a good bit, and that's > > usually a VERY bad sign.. It also said in the review that the single isn't > > really like the rest of the CD.. so that's encouraging. > > > > I know it's a shame to have to AVOID those whose music is on MTV because MTV > > only shows garbage crap music that they can spoonfeed to the masses, but > > hence.. this is the the world we are forced to live in at the moment. > > > > I have too many CD's lying around that I never listen to as it is, > > therefore.. I'm looking to those with a musical taste that I respect before > > forking out $13 plus shipping for something that may or may not be very good. > > > > Suggestions & comments from anyone who has heard her entire CD.. and not just > > the single would be greatly appreciated! > > > > DaveGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:02:55 +0100 From: Brian Hancill Subject: MM: Re: Kate Rusby She really is great Johnny, but not Welsh. She's from Yorkshire, with a beautiful Yorkshire accent which comes out in her singing. Brian > > From: Johnny U > Subject: Re: MM: Another List/female folk > > Try British/Welsh folk singer Kate Rusby. She's great. > > :-) John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:56:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Lisa C Subject: MM: Popularity doesn't Offend me; Crap Does I think I've made it abundantly clear in this forum that I am no fan of the music industry. At the same time, comments like this disturb me: - --- Gretchen Corl wrote: <...I think she is a bit too mainstream for me...> Gretchen's points about not liking Nikka's sound are fine, and I don't mean to single her out because she's not the only one making this point, but why should we feel obliged NOT to like something or to be biased against it SIMPLY because it has gained some popularity? Industry backing or popularity does not always equal a crappy product. I agree that often it does, but "Mainstream" is not a quality one can define and assign to someone's work in order to judge it. This brings up the classic argument about "alt" or "indie" or whatever-you-want-to-call-it fans - Is it true that we really don't want our favorite bands to become successful? It's rather selfish, really. Let's look at Patty's situation in particular: In the same few weeks as we're lamenting that fact that "Silver Bell" won't be released, we're saying we wouldn't buy something because it is "mainstream." This doesn't jive in my world. What if Silver Bell had been released (as Patty wanted it) and gone Platinum? Would we all sit around here and bitch about how Patty "sold out?" Could we "not like her anymore" because she's "too popular?" I suppose that might be fair if she HAD gone back and made the record *they* wanted. Bless Patty for standing her ground and telling them to eff off, but damn the man for, well, being the man. Anyway, my point is, there is no one to one, unequivocal relationship between quality and popularity. . . There is plenty of indie-rock shite out there, that exists only for hipsters to have a pissing contest about who likes the least popular thing (I actually heard a record-store clerk insult his co-worker by sarcastically stating "yeah, well, you listen to slow-core, emo crap!"). Ugh. Not pissed off, just trying to figure this thing out, Lisa Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V5 #174 *********************************