From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V5 #142 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.quackquack.net/pattyg * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Wednesday, June 13 2001 Volume 05 : Number 142 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Cool site I just ran across ["Marc Hertz" ] MM: nothing too exciting, but nonetheless... ["Kunkel, Robert G" ] Re: MM: patty not really dropped? [David Lewis ] Re: MM: patty not really dropped? ["Paul Russell" ] Re: MM: patty not really dropped? [BenALongYear@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 01:10:05 -0700 From: "Marc Hertz" Subject: MM: Cool site I just ran across http://www.ladysixstring.com/ If this has already been mentioned, I apologize, but it's a guide to female guitarists - and, yes, Patty is profiled. Enjoy, everyone. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:37:46 -0400 From: "Kunkel, Robert G" Subject: MM: nothing too exciting, but nonetheless... So, I'm sitting at home last night catching up on bills and things, and I have the tv on just for some background noise when the tv show "Ed" comes on. Now, I have never ever watched it before, but I've heard it's supposed to be pretty good, so I figure I'll leave it on since I'm not planning on getting involved in it anyway. Anyhow, I wind up watching the show after all and it is good, but the important thing... as they go to the last dramatic scene, the mood music begins and after about three notes I shout "It's Patty!!!" (scaring my wife half to death in the process...oops!). They played "Forgiveness" and it fit the scene exceedingly well! So, even as she's getting boned over by the record companies, at least she's still getting some exposure; and it made my night to boot! =) Just thought I'd share (since I never actually have anything worth posting about), Rob =) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:17:49 -0500 From: lwtaylor@ziggycom.net Subject: MM: patty not really dropped? Something I just want to clear up and find out what's really true. In several posts, people are stating that Interscope dropped patty from the label, dropped being the operative word. I believed that until I read the article in the Rage which states: Angry and frustrated with Interscope's actions, Griffin asked for and received a release from the label, but without the masters to Silver Bell. This leads me to believe that it was Patty's decision, that she asked to be released. Now you could say that Interscope must be big dopes to grant a great artist like Patty a release, but I dunno. Anyway, I'm not being a know-it-all - I honestly want to know if this a fact. - -lt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:10:02 EDT From: Mooodeee@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: patty not really dropped? A label "drops" an artist when they decide to stop paying capital or promotional expenses on a record, and then decide that the record will likely be difficult to promote or sell, or that it will be simply uneconomical. Sometimes they do it because of disagreements about artistic direction, but mostly those disagreements are due to a label's fear over lack of marketability. Majors fork out more for radio and retail than indies do, so majors are a little more demanding about the music fitting a certain marketable genre. When an artist asks to be let out of the contract, it means there were additional records that needed to be fulfilled by the artist per the original contract. Labels usually agree to let them out if they feel the artist will be uncooperative with their input and direction, and feel that any further recording expenses may be lost on creating records they feel they can't promote economically. If they didn't let her out of the contract, I'm sure her next record would have been a tuba and armpit fart special with tuva throat singing and lots of cussing. I'm an outsider here, but I would speculate this was over artistic struggles with patty not wanting to listen to their input. I heard they also told her to ditch the band and the CD and start all over from scratch because "they didn't hear a single." I also have known for years that her label(s)? have been asking her to record some of her older songs, and that she is very much against it that idea, and she wants to keep moving forward by writing and recording new songs, forsaking the old. What does all this mean? Heck if I know. I guess Patty wants what she wants. Maybe she can find a label that shares her same creative vision, willing to fulfill the financial side of things. If she doesn't, maybe that should tell her something too. Perhaps her artistic integrity would be best preserved by an indie, but expect a frighteningly smaller budget. Personally, on a side note, I think she's crazy for not wanting to record some of her old songs. Some of them are beautiful gems that to me exemplify some of her best writing. For her to never give those songs a moment in the sun brings a tear to my eye. But that's a different story. Mimi in Austin (thank god for LMFL and the Rarities!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:55:15 -0400 From: Gary Jacques Subject: RE: MM: patty not really dropped? mimi, still all yap no substance. Will things never change? Maybe she could care less what anyone thinks? Maybe she did it just to piss you off. In that case she has my support. Patty if your out there, I could care less. Just come to Philly! EG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:40:11 EDT From: Smaragaid@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: patty not really dropped? diddo....come to Phila!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:00:09 -0400 From: "Kremer, Carl" Subject: RE: MM: patty not really dropped? What the hell...ditto, ditto...come to Philly!! Phi-LEE Phi-LEE Phi-LEE... carl.kremer@dechert.com - -----Original Message----- From: Smaragaid@aol.com [mailto:Smaragaid@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 1:40 PM To: jacques@colorite-resins.com; Mooodeee@aol.com; mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: Re: MM: patty not really dropped? diddo....come to Phila!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:24:48 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: MM: patty not really dropped? About Interscope, Mimi mentioned: >I heard they also told her >to ditch the band and the CD and start all over from scratch because "they >didn't hear a single." This tells me that the particular Interscope people Patty has been dealing with wouldn't know/hear "a single" if it was three feet in front of them. I mean, who on this list won't agree that "One Big Love" from Flaming Red would have been a top 20 or maybe even top 10 single if they bothered pushing it. It had "summer fun" hit all over it, and I never heard anyone mention it getting airplay. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:20:03 -0300 From: David Lewis Subject: Re: MM: patty not really dropped? on 6/12/01 6:24 PM, Mike Connell at ducksoup@quackquack.net wrote: >> I heard they also told her >> to ditch the band and the CD and start all over from scratch because "they >> didn't hear a single." > > This tells me that the particular Interscope people Patty has been dealing > with wouldn't know/hear "a single" if it was three feet in front of them. You know what... I love Patty, but I have no real attachment to the band at all (sorry guys). I know they are all great guys and good musicians... but they're not what makes Patty great. We all go out to see Patty Griffin, not "Patty Griffin and the Flaming Reds" or what have you. I mean, Patty is a solo artist... not a band. I personally think that retiring the Flaming Red band and trying something new with a new group of folks would be awesome. I liked Flaming Red, but I'm not be interested in Silver Bell if it's just Flaming Red II. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:43:45 -0700 From: "Elena" Subject: Re: MM: patty not really dropped? Deja Vu... - ----- Original Message ----- From: David Lewis To: Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 3:20 PM Subject: Re: MM: patty not really dropped? > on 6/12/01 6:24 PM, Mike Connell at ducksoup@quackquack.net wrote: > > >> I heard they also told her > >> to ditch the band and the CD and start all over from scratch because "they > >> didn't hear a single." > > > > This tells me that the particular Interscope people Patty has been dealing > > with wouldn't know/hear "a single" if it was three feet in front of them. > > You know what... I love Patty, but I have no real attachment to the band at > all (sorry guys). I know they are all great guys and good musicians... but > they're not what makes Patty great. We all go out to see Patty Griffin, not > "Patty Griffin and the Flaming Reds" or what have you. I mean, Patty is a > solo artist... not a band. I personally think that retiring the Flaming Red > band and trying something new with a new group of folks would be awesome. I > liked Flaming Red, but I'm not be interested in Silver Bell if it's just > Flaming Red II. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:40:02 -0500 From: "Paul Russell" Subject: Re: MM: patty not really dropped? >I heard they also told her >to ditch the band and the CD and start all over from scratch because "they >didn't hear a single." Interscope people Patty has been dealing with wouldn't know/hear "a single" if it was three feet in front of them. I mean, who on this list won't agree that "One Big Love" from Flaming Red would have been a top 20 yeah, those bastards! EVERYONE knows that Kraft makes the BEST singles. With 1/4 moisturizing cream...I mean milk. DOH! Why didn't they just see??? Why???Why God??? Why????!!!???? And if it was three feet in front of them, they'd probably just let it rot (whatever half-life processed cheese actually has). COR! Wankers. Why, if they didn't hear a single, then oh boy gee rullackers! That just gets me mad, boy. Mad enough to stamp my feet. I'm stamping them now, see? um, cheese. I'm getting hungry. Ich habe honer. Cheeeeeeeeeeese. Well, at least I played the "One Big Love" intro on my crappy TV show. Probably the only reason I feel bad that I quit is that I don't get to hear it on TV anymore. I agree. concur. A total hit. Yes, a definite hit. A smash, if you will. A bludgeon, obliteration, a smack, a pound, a crack. Well, maybe not a crack; that sounds a bit "cheeky." Patty Griffin needs to go more punk. More "flaming red", even more Johnny Cash influence too. I wonder how many Asian Grrrl Riot bands she's listened to lately. She needs some. GRRRRLLLL. Enough. Going drinking. Out. paulE ****************************************** * * * If good looks were a minute, * * you know you could have been an hour. * * * * --"The Way You Do The Things You Do" * * by UB40 * ****************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 00:40:53 EDT From: BenALongYear@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: patty not really dropped? In a message dated 6/12/01 7:56:53 PM Central Daylight Time, iceburrrg@hotmail.com writes: > um, cheese. I'm getting hungry. Ich habe honer. Cheeeeeeeeeeese. > > Well, at least I played the "One Big Love" intro on my crappy TV show. > Probably the only reason I feel bad that I quit is that I don't get to hear > it on TV anymore. I agree. concur. A total hit. Yes, a definite hit. A > smash, if you will. A bludgeon, obliteration, a smack, a pound, a crack. > Well, maybe not a crack; that sounds a bit "cheeky." > > Patty Griffin needs to go more punk. More "flaming red", even more Johnny > Cash influence too. I wonder how many Asian Grrrl Riot bands she's listened > Why don't I understand this? I mean it's entertaining as all heck fire....but....HUH?????????? ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V5 #142 *********************************