From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V5 #131 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.quackquack.net/pattyg * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Monday, June 4 2001 Volume 05 : Number 131 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: a good musician never stops ["Eric Southward" ] MM: Labels [diamondmask@juno.com] MM: info. only list?-Not Patty Related [JessBartn@aol.com] Re: MM: Labels ["LouAnn Muhm" ] Re: MM: Labels [Songbird22@aol.com] MM: LFML artwork, as before. [adamk@zoom.co.uk] MM: Re: LFML artwork, as before. ["Donald Henn" ] MM: Interlochen , MI w/Emmylou ["Donald Henn" ] MM: Silver Bell stuff.. [FlamingRed74@cs.com] MM: RE: Silver Bell stuff.. ["Sandi Campbell" ] Re: MM: RE: Silver Bell stuff.. [Songbird22@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 23:43:08 -0500 From: "Eric Southward" Subject: MM: a good musician never stops Hey all, Like many, I have been following Patty since the first time I heard her in 1994 or 95 (been a long time). I have subscribed to list on and off for a long time and rarely felt the need to comment. The time has come. Ms. Griffin should be so lucky to have fans like us. Most musicians never get beyond the local bar circuit let alone ever get to cut a CD. And those who do rarely get enough people to buy it. Many factors play into the success of a musician, timing being sometimes the biggest one. While there are plenty of musicians we hate because we think they lack a lot of talent. They sell records. The music industry is not about promoting the best record or musician, just the ones that sell the most. They have to make money. Most musicians have to make money as well, although most of the time it is just put back into the traveling and equipment. Without Ms. Griffin's label and its ability to promote music, most of you would have never heard of her. You would not have seen her shows and you would not have been able to share your expereinces with others. That being said, Ms. Griffin has the sufficient fan base and support to move beyond this current obstacle. That's where you all come in. Promotion from a label involves distribution to radio stations, setting up interviews, creating press releases and buzz, and managing shelf space at stores. That's why labels can make a unknown a 'known' so easily. Yet, you can all do the same. Request her music, bang your local record reveiwers to cover her stuff, let others know of her music, buy her music. Stations and resellers count the hits and will order more when the demand is there. Stations will play music more as it gets requested more. You folks all did a good job a number of years ago when I gave you the e-mail address of one of the local entertainment papers' reviewers. He made mention of the volume of e-mail he received to promote he upcoming show. It worked. Her show sold out. Hang in there. Keep it up. The record will come. It will be lacking the million-dollar support of a major label though. If you believe in her, so will others. Ms. Griffin will unlikely ever stop making music. It just may be harder to come by - but not impossible. She needs you. Bang everyone who deserves it. And keep your ears and eyes open. I'll be buying her next CD. Eric Southward Indianapolis, IN ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 04:33:54 -0700 From: diamondmask@juno.com Subject: MM: Labels Like it or not, labels are all about money. Talent has very little to do with it. Like it's been mentioned, Spears and all the boy bands and sound alike rappers are what's making the dough for 'em now. All those pre-pubesent kids learning to shake their grove thang at 9 years old and the white middle-class boys in their $20,000 Hondas announcing to the world how pissed off they are by blasting the beat of their homeys from da ghetto. It's little wonder artists like Patty are having a tough time of it. Jonatha Brooke, who has been mentioned here, is doing ok with doing it all herself. It's her life, and she spends the time to do it. On her web-site, she's activily involved in the message board, talking to fans and answering questions ranging from writing to the tunings she uses on songs. Ellis Paul is the same way. After shows, they both are out there in the midst of fans, selling and autographing stuff and chatting up the people. I know after talking to them, I get a better picture of them. Jonatha is touring with a great band. I don't know how she affords it, but she does it. Patty really should look into marketing herself. The market for her music, in comparison to the likes of Spears, is very small. And while we know of the wealth of talent in that small frame, those kind of artists are having trouble these days "breaking" through. What's selling now is beat, not talent. It'll happen for Patty, but it may take a little more time. Bonnie Raitt knocked around for many, many, many years before her talent was "discovered" by the masses. And Jonatha Brooke just kicks my ass, and it's her at the head of her ship, not some overworked geek in an office somewhere. There are lots of tiny record labels out there. Dave Matthews has one. If she doesn't want to do it all herself, (and it must be a huge amount of work...) maybe she should shop around to the smaller labels who still take an interest in the music, not so much the money. john in sumner wa ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 08:05:01 EDT From: JessBartn@aol.com Subject: MM: info. only list?-Not Patty Related Hi, Sorry to post to the list about this, but could someone please tell me how to get on the info only version of this list? To many emails....to little time. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Jess ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 07:58:47 -0500 From: "LouAnn Muhm" Subject: Re: MM: Labels > Patty really should look into marketing herself. Right on, John! Look at Ani DiFranco--she's doing quite well for herself, thank you. And all without a big record label. The easy transmission of info through the internet and generally improved communications have made it possible to market worldwide without a huge budget. And you're right--Patty will always have a niche market, with occasional breakouts into the mainstream, but I'll bet she could make herself a nice little living off that niche. If she got out ON THE ROAD playing everywhere (not just MI, PA and TN), selling CDs, going on local public and college radio shows, stepping one level back from the big record label hype (or lack of hype, as the case may be) and just putting herself out there, I'll bet things would take off. Look at the difficulty even her rabid fans have in getting her music or seeing her perform! She could probably make a good living off the people on this list alone! If her goal is to be a world-famous millionaire rock star, then she's going to have problems. If her goal is to make great music and share it with those who will love and appreciate it and her, she can do that herself and probably have a lot of fun in the process. Power to the People! Peace, LouAnn >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 09:52:42 EDT From: Songbird22@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Labels diamondmask@juno.com writes: > Jonatha Brooke, who has been mentioned here, > is doing ok with doing it all herself. It's her life, and she > spends the time to do it. On her web-site, she's activily Actually Jonatha is going to be on Letterman (7.9) which is a huge feat for an independent artist... I think it's great what she has done on her own. Ani too. :) Jess new album BECOMING available now! www.jessicaweiser.com | www.mp3.com/jessweiser www.aftersilence.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 16:18:15 +0100 (BST) From: adamk@zoom.co.uk Subject: MM: LFML artwork, as before. Earlier, someone mentioned problems with the size of the LFML artwork. I'm having the same problem --- it's just slightly too small to actually fit the CD case. Is there an answer to this? Thanks in advance Adam K. Get your own zoom email - click here - http://www.zoom.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 12:37:19 -0400 From: "Donald Henn" Subject: MM: Re: LFML artwork, as before. I tried a few times , & couldn't get it done , so I finally took it to Kinko's & resized on a color copier. You could also cut it to the right size when you copy it , & have a small white border. Don > Earlier, someone mentioned problems with the size of the > LFML artwork. I'm having the same problem --- it's just > slightly too small to actually fit the CD case. Is there > an answer to this? > > Thanks in advance > > Adam K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 13:02:46 -0400 From: "Donald Henn" Subject: MM: Interlochen , MI w/Emmylou MMers , I've been calling Kresge Auditorium for a week , & getting a busy signal. I finally found tix available on the web after a few searches. The date is August 16. The Atlanta show , July 25 , is available thru Ticketmaster. http://www.michiweb.com/interlochen/ticket.html Don ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 17:34:57 EDT From: FlamingRed74@cs.com Subject: MM: Silver Bell stuff.. Bernie wrote: >>I was under the impression that Patty got the rights and masters to the Silver Bell >>project. The Hendrickson piece in Rage said the bastards at Interscope retained >>them. I hope he's wrong. I can't sleep now--- does anyone know the real story?>> This IS what was originally reported by someone here on the list. I don't know if the original poster was misinformed (that she was given the rights to the masters) or what?? I know what is common is for the record label to retain rights to the masters. The artist normally has to buy them back, or like someone said before.. another label can "rent" the rights to that material for a certain period of time. Noone seems to know for sure what the case is with Patty.. but I have to say I fear the worst.. *the.. It's time for Dave to blow his top section* Just like Jessica, I'm afraid I'll NEVER hear the studio version of Little God on CD and that sucks! 2 of my very favorite Patty songs were going to be on this CD, .. as being a very dedicated fan who has been to over 20 shows I feel I'm entitled to hear this stuff. So "ROT IN H&LL Interscope you lying sacks of garbage"!!! Yeah, you heard it right.. I said it.. you know where to find me if you don't like my attitude. ha ha! That goes for you too A&M you LOSER label who used to be so artist friendly but now sucks cum like the rest of the labels. *Ok, done venting.. now back to Patty* As someone said before, I wish we could get ahold of Patty and let her know we're all behind her. She really does have the most dedicated little group of fans. If she was to go the indy route.. there is surely enough dedicated fans in different markets around this fine country that would do everything in their power to make sure 1. radio stations were hounded to death until they got tired of her name 2. record stores shelves would be STOCKED with both LWG & FR 3. the people at local newspapers knew when she was coming to town 4. enough good music fans who go out to shows would know to check her out I know I'm missing some things, but you get my point. WE could be Patty's little management team. Who is better to spread the word about a musician.. "an overworked geek" as someone said before.. or her true fans (hundreds of them spread out across the country) who are genuinely excited to get a new person interested in her music? Hmm?? that's a tough one! Patty if you're listening, you have people who are able and willing to help you here! You don't need no stinking, lousy, money hungry, LOSER-A$$ record company! Patty Jean Griffin, FOREVER rocking --- We LOVE You Patty! Dave-- Over and out ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 18:48:05 -0500 From: "Sandi Campbell" Subject: MM: RE: Silver Bell stuff.. OK, so maybe it's my naive understanding of the music industry (I don't know anything about it), but everyone keeps saying it's all about the money - which I understand but don't agree with, especially as a Patty fan. My confusion is this: how can it be cheaper to shelve a CD that money has already been spent on just because they don't feel it's "radio friendly"? I can't imagine making absolutely no money on something that has already cost money could be better than making some money on what sales could be made by fans, and then spreading by word of mouth (as it seems most of Patty's music goes) and getting more people to buy. It just doesn't make any sense to me at all. Does anyone have any insight on this? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org]On Behalf Of FlamingRed74@cs.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 4:35 PM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: Silver Bell stuff.. Bernie wrote: >>I was under the impression that Patty got the rights and masters to the Silver Bell >>project. The Hendrickson piece in Rage said the bastards at Interscope retained >>them. I hope he's wrong. I can't sleep now--- does anyone know the real story?>> This IS what was originally reported by someone here on the list. I don't know if the original poster was misinformed (that she was given the rights to the masters) or what?? I know what is common is for the record label to retain rights to the masters. The artist normally has to buy them back, or like someone said before.. another label can "rent" the rights to that material for a certain period of time. Noone seems to know for sure what the case is with Patty.. but I have to say I fear the worst.. *the.. It's time for Dave to blow his top section* Just like Jessica, I'm afraid I'll NEVER hear the studio version of Little God on CD and that sucks! 2 of my very favorite Patty songs were going to be on this CD, .. as being a very dedicated fan who has been to over 20 shows I feel I'm entitled to hear this stuff. So "ROT IN H&LL Interscope you lying sacks of garbage"!!! Yeah, you heard it right.. I said it.. you know where to find me if you don't like my attitude. ha ha! That goes for you too A&M you LOSER label who used to be so artist friendly but now sucks cum like the rest of the labels. *Ok, done venting.. now back to Patty* As someone said before, I wish we could get ahold of Patty and let her know we're all behind her. She really does have the most dedicated little group of fans. If she was to go the indy route.. there is surely enough dedicated fans in different markets around this fine country that would do everything in their power to make sure 1. radio stations were hounded to death until they got tired of her name 2. record stores shelves would be STOCKED with both LWG & FR 3. the people at local newspapers knew when she was coming to town 4. enough good music fans who go out to shows would know to check her out I know I'm missing some things, but you get my point. WE could be Patty's little management team. Who is better to spread the word about a musician.. "an overworked geek" as someone said before.. or her true fans (hundreds of them spread out across the country) who are genuinely excited to get a new person interested in her music? Hmm?? that's a tough one! Patty if you're listening, you have people who are able and willing to help you here! You don't need no stinking, lousy, money hungry, LOSER-A$$ record company! Patty Jean Griffin, FOREVER rocking --- We LOVE You Patty! Dave-- Over and out ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 20:15:10 EDT From: Songbird22@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: RE: Silver Bell stuff.. beemergirl@TELOCITY.COM writes: > can't imagine making absolutely no money on something that has already cost > money could be better than making some money on what sales could be made by > fans, and then spreading by word of mouth (as it seems most of Patty's music > goes) and getting more people to buy. It just doesn't make any sense to me > at all. Does anyone have any insight on this? It's extremely expensive to promote an artist's new release, for that artist to tour to support the record (and even more costly when they're traveling with a band), etc. Not to mention the costs of recording the album (studio, producer, musicians, etc.)... This is all a direct result of the merger a few years ago. After mergers, labels need / want to "trim the fat". So these days that means if *any* artist is not in a recouping, profit-making mode, they either need to retool their existing (and in-progress) recordings or they need to get lost. This situation is extremely common these days... and sad. Maybe they think taking a chance on Patty's record won't be profitable enough for them in a market that seems to be thriving on records by Britney Spears and N'Sync... just 2 examples... Jessica new album BECOMING available now! www.jessicaweiser.com | www.mp3.com/jessweiser www.aftersilence.net ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V5 #131 *********************************