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A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Saturday, March 24 2001 Volume 05 : Number 075 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: RE: a little of nothing i guess ["Moody, Bryan" ] MM: Patty & Interscope ["Donald Henn" ] Re: MM: Silver Bell and the Record Company ["Corey Atkins" ] Re: MM: things to pass the time [David Lewis ] Re: MM: things to pass the time [Nikki Wheeler ] MM: Artist Comparison [NeuroticView@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 07:03:25 -0500 From: "Moody, Bryan" Subject: MM: RE: a little of nothing i guess Hi, Here's an idea. If we all write to the adult-alternative stations that do play her, and inform them of this rumor. Maybe, just maybe, there will be enough of an objection from these stations (and their listeners) to show the label that hey, there is an audience, not only that, there is a devoted audience that's been bitchin' and gripin' since September!! People here in the Philly, we should really get on those XPN message boards, ASAP!!! Just graspin' bryan - -----Original Message----- From: zeeke5 [mailto:zeeke5@home.com] Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 8:53 PM To: Jackson, Ryan; mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: a little of nothing i guess for your info.... I asked a friend of mine who works for Sony Music if she could get info from her friends at Universal....here goes... she wrote: I just had this very conversation with my friend over at Universal. They have moved the album to a TBA (to be announced) streetdate rather than a firm date in May or June. That doesn't look good. She has also heard rumors that the label may drop her, and that the album is finished. The problem is that Universal owns the album and even if a smaller label (Razor & Tie, Rounder,) wanted to release it they would have to buy the album from Universal. She does have a 2 song sampler, which is making me crazy because she keeps "forgeting" to give it to me. for what it's worth zeeke - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackson, Ryan" To: Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 2:01 PM Subject: MM: RE: RE: The album > < not have anyone hear it because it didn't get airplay. And face it, unless > you're a "hot artist" at the time, radio typically will not start playing > your single unless they see a demand for it. It's makes me mad sometimes > when some artists get radio play right away, while others either never do or > only get it once the music gets out there through some other venue that the > radio stations later pick up on. - ~ Riff>> > > > > > Lord, if this isn't the story of my life. I'm one of a million sitting at a > desk in an office while some bag-o-nuts like Marylin Manson is hogging a > spotlight. Alas, opportunity is a cruel illusion. > > -Ryan > > P.S. It is a nice desk though, I should admit. Nice, plastic, simulated > grain. I really shouldn't complain. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:18:49 -0500 From: "Eryn Fleming" Subject: MM: Re: RE: The album Hmm, I doubt that it's just me...but I think both albums are wonderful! I bought both albums at the same time and I listened to LWG first, then FR. Sure, FR took some getting used to, but that's only because it was so unexpected. I admire her so much. I guess anything that I can get with Patty content makes me happy. And although it would be SUCH a gift for Patty to get radio airplay, I still enjoy just having her to myself and the rest of this list (who seem to be the only people who know of her!). It's like she's our little secret. Even so, every person I introduce to Patty's music goes out and buys her CDs. (I play her for all of my friends and family.) Strange how so few know of her, yet everyone is so drawn to her once they hear her. I notice that a lot of musicians that I listen to don't get played on the radio, like Ani DiFranco, Tori, Tara MacLean, Beth Hart, etc. And to me they are some of the best artists I've ever heard! It's too bad that the radio works that way... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Golato" To: "'Johnny U'" ; Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 4:38 PM Subject: MM: RE: The album > I don't know about Chapman, but I know the record company put out a more > pop-radio-friendly version of Amos' crucify and Merchant's (err, I can't > remember the name of the song at the moment. I think it was the third single > from her first solo record). Not that they were much different from the > album version, but they did jazz it up for the radio. Jewel's You were > meant for me single and foolish game single were different versions than the > album for radio. Even David Gray's Babylon seemed to have so many different > versions released for the radio. > > I say put two radio-friendly songs on the record to keep the record co. > happy since they are investing in the artist and putting money out. And > then let the artist handle the rest of the songs on the record. The radio > hits may help the artist get initial airplay, and then the fans can discover > the genuine music after they buy the album and hear the rest of the songs. > It must be horrible for an artist to create music they are so proud of and > not have anyone hear it because it didn't get airplay. And face it, unless > you're a "hot artist" at the time, radio typically will not start playing > your single unless they see a demand for it. It's makes me mad sometimes > when some artists get radio play right away, while others either never do or > only get it once the music gets out there through some other venue that the > radio stations later pick up on. > > Of course, some rare artists do get to play it their way, and do > breakthrough to success. A lot of it depends on marketing, and whether > radio stations will take a chance and play it, and if the record company has > some faith it will make money on the substance of the material. don't know > how often that is. > > I don't think Patty's voice got drowned out on FR. First of all, her voice > is what attracted me to her at first. And I heard FR before I heard LWG. > The song that grabbed me right away was her voice on Change. But I think it > worked well with the music too. I say make an album that has both songs like > from FR and like songs from LWG. I think she sounds great in both styles. > > What does Patty like I wonder? Does anyone know if she wasn't happy with FR? > I wonder how much of her songs are what Patty envisioned and how much are > what the record company wanted. And maybe she liked some of the record > company's ideas. > > Maybe the two extra songs that are rumoured to be added to the record are > the radio-friendly songs, and the rest of the songs are true to Patty. And > the record will still be out this year. I hope I hope I hope this year. > > ~ Riff > "Don't just exist. Live." > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Johnny U [ > > I liked Flaming Red, despite it's "pop" sound. While I don't mind > tweaking a product, I hope that songs such as Shells or Top of the > World keep their natural form. Why is everyone looking for a radio hit > anyway? Tracy Chapman, Tori Amos and Natalie Merchant are some of the > best in music because they do what is right for them and don't need to > sell their souls to TRL. I hope the record company doesn't end up > drowning the "Patty" out of her own album > > > > > *************************************************************************** > This electronic mail transmission contains confidential and/or privileged > information intended only for the person(s) named. Any use, distribution, > copying or disclosure by another person is strictly prohibited. > *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:27:49 -0500 From: "Donald Henn" Subject: MM: Patty & Interscope MMers , I often find myself taking a simplistic , possibly naive position , but I always thought that if I were in Patty's position , I would ignore record companies. Concentrating on performing & building the kind of fan base record companies can't ignore until she could sign on her own terms. Two things determine your eventual success; the size of your fan base , & the dedication of your fan base. The dedication brings the "trendy " into it , b/c they unfortunately can't decide what they like for themselves. I'm sure that Patty loves performing more than anything , & if she had as much faith in her eventual success as I do , she would be in no hurry. The kicker is , an economic down turn that seems to be in the cards , could send them scrambling for anyone that might make money. That downturn might also result in a more realistic assessment of life that could reduce the la-la-la , let's all be happy , the whiny "poor poor me , why can't I get what I want" & the aggressive attitude in popular music today , in favor of the more realistic assessment of the eventual human condition that Patty's music portends. She , like Billie Holiday , is ahead of the curve , without the black , female , drug-laden burdens that Billie had to carry. Hang in there Patty , the only one that can stop you is you. Music LOVERS will find you. Patty may not yet be making the most popular music , but she is making the most important music. People on the edge are going to feel her commiseration & be stronger for it. Her music supports those who need it most. Her version of "Not Alone' in the context of the movie "Niagara Niagara" brought that home to me. I've found support in music all my life whether I was up or down , but it's the music that reaches me when I'm down that shows me passion and/or genius. As for FR vs. LWG , if I had to choose between pure Patty & Patty w/band , I'd choose pure Patty. But her versatility is one of things that make her great , & "Blue Sky" is still one of my favorites. Fortunately , she always does a few solo even when she's with the band. Peace , music , & Patty Griffin We relieve the tension only to Find out the master's name Jon Anderson/Steve Howe "Close to the Edge" Performed by Yes Don ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:05:29 -0700 From: "Corey Atkins" Subject: Re: MM: Silver Bell and the Record Company >A perfect world? Two LWG's, one acoustic, one with the >band; two FR's, one acoustic, one with the band. Just send me to a >desert >island! Amen. - -CA _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 04:22:19 -0500 From: Nikki Wheeler Subject: MM: things to pass the time i know we're all awaiting news on Silver Bell... but I thought I'd suggest a few artists to pass the time... Carla Ryder - http://www.carlaryder.com/ - Carla's a friend of mine and an absolutely beautiful singer and talented songwriter. She's also the person who introduced me to Patty's music after doing covers of "Mad Mission", "Tony", and "Every Little Bit". The Mudhens - http://www.themudhens.com/ - I wouldn't exactly call the Mudhens folk rock, because they're much more on the pop end (I tend to use pop as an insult... so I'm reluctant to call them that, because they're much too good for that). They're an absolutely amazing pop/rock band from Boston, MA. Sacred Raisin Cakes - http://mp3.com/sacredraisincakes/ - the Sacred Raisin Cakes are not like anything I've ever heard before. they've labeled themselves as "progressive folk rock" and i think that basically sums up their style. they're a very unique band, also from Boston, MA. - -------------------------- nikki http://nikki.vende.org/ nikki@vende.org dance798@chi.tds.net icq: 1762290 aol im: angelnikkd napster: nikkiana msn messanger: nikkianaofthedark@hotmail.com - -------------------------- "go back and make it real, maybe i'll still be standing here." - - the mudhens, "real" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:05:52 -0400 From: David Lewis Subject: Re: MM: things to pass the time Thanks for the tips Nikki! Here's one I would like to add to the list :) Edie Carey - http://www.ediecarey.com/ - Edie is simply amazing. I discovered her a month or so ago and I've been listening ever since. She's an extremely talented and funny singer-songwriter from New York. Her music reminds me a lot of Shawn Colvin. The other cool thing about Edie is how she is promoting herself. She has "street teams" set up in different cities who try to get her songs on the radio, CD's in the stores, and poster up if she's coming to town. Cool idea! Very "grass roots" and maybe even more effective than a promoter for a big record company. Oh, and if you buy Edie's CD's directly from her, she will even sign them for you if you want :) p.s. I think she's playing in Cambridge this spring sometime. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 05:36:54 -0500 From: Nikki Wheeler Subject: Re: MM: things to pass the time some other people you all might want to check out while i'm thinking about it are... Agona Hardison - http://www.agonahardison.com/ - (Boston based) The Flutie Gang - http://www.flutiebrothers.com/ (yes, this is Doug Flutie the football players band...) Antigone Rising - http://www.antigonerising.com/ - (NYC based) Scarlet Haven - http://www.scarlethaven.com/ - (Boston based) 3 Stories High - http://www.3storieshigh.com/ - (Philadelphia based) - -------------------------- nikki http://nikki.vende.org/ nikki@vende.org dance798@chi.tds.net icq: 1762290 aol im: angelnikkd napster: nikkiana msn messanger: nikkianaofthedark@hotmail.com - -------------------------- "go back and make it real, maybe i'll still be standing here." - - the mudhens, "real" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:18:52 EST From: NeuroticView@aol.com Subject: MM: Artist Comparison MM's- Just a little someone, else, to pass the Patty-less days...... I recently attented a concert for a local band, Over the Rhine. They are an excellent band....but, that's off topic. The opening act was a very soft spoken woman who sang beautifully. Her vocals were amazing and the images in the song were so dark and descriptive. I had come across her cd a year earlier, for $2 at a local used cd store. The cd was called 'Any One'. It was an incredible cd which has the Indigo Girls singing background on one song, and a song in memory of Teena Brandon. This cd was amazing. Then, I find out she is opening for Over the Rhine. ROSE POLENZANI She said her new cd, self titled, was coming out to stores in June but could be bought earlier at her shows. As soon as she was over, I hurried to the back and bought the cd. She was standing right there.. we had a brief chat and she signed my cd. The cd is incredible. Go to her website or Over The Rhies website to find out if she will be coming to your town. The review on the new cd made reference to her voice being similar to Patty Griffin. I wouldn't say it is very similar, but it is wonderful rosepolenzani.com overtherhine.com matt ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V5 #75 ********************************