From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V5 #73 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.quackquack.net/pattyg * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Thursday, March 22 2001 Volume 05 : Number 073 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: MM: Silver Bell and the Record Company ["Jackson, Ryan" ] RE: MM: Silver Bell and the Record Company [Stephen Golato Subject: RE: MM: Silver Bell and the Record Company Hmm, well, this list is becoming disheartening to me. I had never heard of Patty before I saw her open for the Dixie Chicks. Quite frankly, I'm not a country fan, so I wasn't expecting much out of the opening act. However, when Patty (and her entire band) opened up with "Blue Sky", I was really surprised. They followed up with "Carry Me", "Tony", "Change" and so forth. By that point, I was blown away. Her voice reverberated throughout the arena, and I thought, "this is a voice meant to be heard in an arena". Of course, the Dixie Chicks' fans didn't take a liking to Patty. "Flaming Red" must have scared half those people to death. Here I was, only 30 minutes into this stranger's set, and I was already feeling defensive when the Dixie Chicks' fans started booing her in between songs. However, I had to admit that this was material that didn't fit the audience. Anyway, forgive me for this long diatribe, but I went out the next day and bought "Flaming Red". The store did not had "LWG", so I took what I could get. "Flaming Red" did not leave my CD player for two months. I couldn't believe how awesome it was. I made CD samplers for friends so they could get an idea of the sound. I was smitten. By the time I bought "LWG", I had already pounded the Internet for information. So, I knew it was all acoustic. Well, it is a good record, but to me it isn't anywhere nearly as good as "Flaming Red". I listen to it thinking, "My God, how good would this song be if it had drums right here or a violin right there or a rolling bass line in here?" So, to me, "Flaming Red" is the masterpiece, not "LWG". But, here's the problem. I get the impression that I'm the only one who thinks this way. This list seems to be a "LWG"-preferred list. I would pay untold fortunes to hear a full-band version of "LWG". I hope to God that if "Silver Bell" ever sees the light of day that it follows the mold of "Flaming Red". Personally, I don't think Patty is being "covered up" at all in the production. I think her voice is too powerful to be covered up. To me, the band is another tool to explain the stories; it adds to the passion. Anyway, I know I'm running on and on, but as a member of this list, I just feel like I'm the only one who prefers the "electric" Patty to the "acoustic" Patty. - -Ryan - -----Original Message----- From: FlamingRed74@cs.com [mailto:FlamingRed74@cs.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 11:26 PM To: robink@mediaone.net Cc: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: Re: MM: Silver Bell and the Record Company Robin wrote: >If the rumor is true, then it's a sad commentary on the record business. If >Interscope won't release Silver Bell because it doesn't sound radio ready, >that's pathetic. >On the other hand, remember that the original version (the "electric" >version) of "Living With Ghosts" was shot down by A&M. Ok, so I just got home and I'm writing this in "Paul mode" (i.e. I've been drinking a little too much.. ).. so this may not be totally coherent, but.. I have to say THANK GOD the record company did not like the full band version of LWG! Not to say that I wouldn't LOVE to hear the band version of the CD, but my fondest memories of Patty are of her very first solo shows "way back in the day", and hearing LWG for the very first time. I was so into the hard rock scene, and Patty was like a breath of fresh air for me. She totally opened me up to a new kind of music, and without her I'm sure I wouldn't be listening to all of the great stuff I listen to today. If the record company would have released LWG "as is", with the full band I probably would have never gotten into her (or so many other artists) like I am now. Anyway, the reason I'm writing is b/c I'm not convinced that the CD IS on the shelf like the "rumor" has it. I posted a few weeks ago that I had learned from someone that Patty didn't want the CD released until she could add a song or 2 that she felt "needed" to be on the CD. I don't know where everyone else is getting their information.. but mine is from someone that I consider to be a reliable source. I can't confirm that what I heard is 100% true either. Ok, I'm off to bed.. wouldn't it be cool if someone from Interscope would do us all a favor and take the time to let us know what the REAL DEAL is!?!?!? Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:05:59 -0500 From: Gary Jacques Subject: RE: MM: Silver Bell and the Record Company Ryan, electric Patty is great but LWG is not just a good record. Itis the best solo acoustic record or CD ever. Period. Someone please directly me to a better acoustic performance than LWG. I just don't think there is one. That is why people are crazy for LWG. Flaming red was an above average CD. I think that it could have been a commercial success with the right people behind it. One Big Love is far from my favoite cut on the CD but no reason that song should not have been playing on every radio on every beach in the US. As for Silver Bell, someone should just smuggle it out of the studio and release it on-line. Time for a coup. Evil Gary - -----Original Message----- From: Jackson, Ryan [mailto:rjackson@cypresscom.net] Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:13 AM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: RE: MM: Silver Bell and the Record Company Hmm, well, this list is becoming disheartening to me. I had never heard of Patty before I saw her open for the Dixie Chicks. Quite frankly, I'm not a country fan, so I wasn't expecting much out of the opening act. However, when Patty (and her entire band) opened up with "Blue Sky", I was really surprised. They followed up with "Carry Me", "Tony", "Change" and so forth. By that point, I was blown away. Her voice reverberated throughout the arena, and I thought, "this is a voice meant to be heard in an arena". Of course, the Dixie Chicks' fans didn't take a liking to Patty. "Flaming Red" must have scared half those people to death. Here I was, only 30 minutes into this stranger's set, and I was already feeling defensive when the Dixie Chicks' fans started booing her in between songs. However, I had to admit that this was material that didn't fit the audience. Anyway, forgive me for this long diatribe, but I went out the next day and bought "Flaming Red". The store did not had "LWG", so I took what I could get. "Flaming Red" did not leave my CD player for two months. I couldn't believe how awesome it was. I made CD samplers for friends so they could get an idea of the sound. I was smitten. By the time I bought "LWG", I had already pounded the Internet for information. So, I knew it was all acoustic. Well, it is a good record, but to me it isn't anywhere nearly as good as "Flaming Red". I listen to it thinking, "My God, how good would this song be if it had drums right here or a violin right there or a rolling bass line in here?" So, to me, "Flaming Red" is the masterpiece, not "LWG". But, here's the problem. I get the impression that I'm the only one who thinks this way. This list seems to be a "LWG"-preferred list. I would pay untold fortunes to hear a full-band version of "LWG". I hope to God that if "Silver Bell" ever sees the light of day that it follows the mold of "Flaming Red". Personally, I don't think Patty is being "covered up" at all in the production. I think her voice is too powerful to be covered up. To me, the band is another tool to explain the stories; it adds to the passion. Anyway, I know I'm running on and on, but as a member of this list, I just feel like I'm the only one who prefers the "electric" Patty to the "acoustic" Patty. - -Ryan - -----Original Message----- From: FlamingRed74@cs.com [mailto:FlamingRed74@cs.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 11:26 PM To: robink@mediaone.net Cc: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: Re: MM: Silver Bell and the Record Company Robin wrote: >If the rumor is true, then it's a sad commentary on the record business. If >Interscope won't release Silver Bell because it doesn't sound radio ready, >that's pathetic. >On the other hand, remember that the original version (the "electric" >version) of "Living With Ghosts" was shot down by A&M. Ok, so I just got home and I'm writing this in "Paul mode" (i.e. I've been drinking a little too much.. ).. so this may not be totally coherent, but.. I have to say THANK GOD the record company did not like the full band version of LWG! Not to say that I wouldn't LOVE to hear the band version of the CD, but my fondest memories of Patty are of her very first solo shows "way back in the day", and hearing LWG for the very first time. I was so into the hard rock scene, and Patty was like a breath of fresh air for me. She totally opened me up to a new kind of music, and without her I'm sure I wouldn't be listening to all of the great stuff I listen to today. If the record company would have released LWG "as is", with the full band I probably would have never gotten into her (or so many other artists) like I am now. Anyway, the reason I'm writing is b/c I'm not convinced that the CD IS on the shelf like the "rumor" has it. I posted a few weeks ago that I had learned from someone that Patty didn't want the CD released until she could add a song or 2 that she felt "needed" to be on the CD. I don't know where everyone else is getting their information.. but mine is from someone that I consider to be a reliable source. I can't confirm that what I heard is 100% true either. Ok, I'm off to bed.. wouldn't it be cool if someone from Interscope would do us all a favor and take the time to let us know what the REAL DEAL is!?!?!? Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:56:18 -0700 From: "Corey Atkins" Subject: RE: MM: Silver Bell and the Record Company ****WARNING: I typed the "F" word in this post. And I think a couple other swears. So cope.**** OK. I feel sorta silly jumping into this trivial little bandwagon, but whatchagonnado? I have to put a foot in Ryan's court -- mind you I've still got one in the LWG court, too. Look. The deal is that Patty just fuckin' rocks, the reason being the exact thing we're all pissin' and moanin' back and forth about. LWG is pure, simple beauty. FR is raw, kick ass beauty. The fact that Ms. G has the capability to lift us up by the little hairs on the back of our necks with just six strings and her voice is amazing. The fact that she also has the capacity to kick our asses with tunes like 'FR' and 'Silver Bell' is testament to just how deep the waters of her artistic soul and ability run. To me, FR is just Patty playing with a more extensive pallette, to use an art metaphor. More colors, textures, etc. Doesn't mean it's BETTER, just different. It's like saying a Monet painting is "better" than a Rodin sculpture just because the Monet has lots of pretty colors. Bullshit. You can't compare - or shouldn't anyway. They're both equally brilliant in their own ways. We all have opinions, blah blah blah I know... But I think that anyone with a true understanding of Art knows that comparisons are reductive and counter-effective. Not to mention silly. Artists are artists because they express the intangible through their work. Think twice about putting any artist, especially one as profound as Patty, into your personal preference box. Amen. - -CA ******* ******* ** "El teatro es la poesma que se levanta ** ** del libro y se hace humana." ** ** ** ** "Theatre is the poetry which rises ** ** from the page and is made human." ** ** ** ** --Federico Garcma Lorca ** ******* ******* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:38:05 -0500 From: Stephen Golato Subject: MM: RE: The album I don't know about Chapman, but I know the record company put out a more pop-radio-friendly version of Amos' crucify and Merchant's (err, I can't remember the name of the song at the moment. I think it was the third single from her first solo record). Not that they were much different from the album version, but they did jazz it up for the radio. Jewel's You were meant for me single and foolish game single were different versions than the album for radio. Even David Gray's Babylon seemed to have so many different versions released for the radio. I say put two radio-friendly songs on the record to keep the record co. happy since they are investing in the artist and putting money out. And then let the artist handle the rest of the songs on the record. The radio hits may help the artist get initial airplay, and then the fans can discover the genuine music after they buy the album and hear the rest of the songs. It must be horrible for an artist to create music they are so proud of and not have anyone hear it because it didn't get airplay. And face it, unless you're a "hot artist" at the time, radio typically will not start playing your single unless they see a demand for it. It's makes me mad sometimes when some artists get radio play right away, while others either never do or only get it once the music gets out there through some other venue that the radio stations later pick up on. Of course, some rare artists do get to play it their way, and do breakthrough to success. A lot of it depends on marketing, and whether radio stations will take a chance and play it, and if the record company has some faith it will make money on the substance of the material. don't know how often that is. I don't think Patty's voice got drowned out on FR. First of all, her voice is what attracted me to her at first. And I heard FR before I heard LWG. The song that grabbed me right away was her voice on Change. But I think it worked well with the music too. I say make an album that has both songs like from FR and like songs from LWG. I think she sounds great in both styles. What does Patty like I wonder? Does anyone know if she wasn't happy with FR? I wonder how much of her songs are what Patty envisioned and how much are what the record company wanted. And maybe she liked some of the record company's ideas. Maybe the two extra songs that are rumoured to be added to the record are the radio-friendly songs, and the rest of the songs are true to Patty. And the record will still be out this year. I hope I hope I hope this year. ~ Riff "Don't just exist. Live." - -----Original Message----- From: Johnny U [ I liked Flaming Red, despite it's "pop" sound. While I don't mind tweaking a product, I hope that songs such as Shells or Top of the World keep their natural form. Why is everyone looking for a radio hit anyway? Tracy Chapman, Tori Amos and Natalie Merchant are some of the best in music because they do what is right for them and don't need to sell their souls to TRL. I hope the record company doesn't end up drowning the "Patty" out of her own album *************************************************************************** This electronic mail transmission contains confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the person(s) named. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by another person is strictly prohibited. *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:48:53 -0500 From: Stephen Golato Subject: RE: MM: Silver Bell and the Record Company I agree with Ryan in his points. You're not the only one. Maybe it's because I heard FR before LWG. I wonder if I had heard LWG first and was expecting another similarly sounding record, I would be shocked to hear FR. Since I heard FR first, and I was shocked to hear all over LWG sounding more like a demo of songs than finished work. Of course, after I knew what to expect, I ended up liking the songs. But I do feel, like you, that some parts of the songs could be enhanced and really develop into more by adding a few more instruments. As I said in a previous email, I like both styles and would hope to hear a little bit of both mixed together on the new record. I haven't heard Silver Bell so I can't comment on that sound. I would love to hear some live versions of the songs from FR. I haven't had a chance to see her in concert. If anyone has any recordings of her doing any of these songs live and could do a b & P or something for me I would be deeply appreciative. I need something to carry me over until the next record whenever that will be. Plus, I just have to have all the Patty I can get. : ) Ok. Enough of my ramblings... ~ Riff "Don't just exist. Live." - -----Original Message----- From: Jackson, Ryan [mailto:rjackson@cypresscom.net] Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:13 AM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: RE: MM: Silver Bell and the Record Company Hmm, well, this list is becoming disheartening to me. I had never heard of Patty before I saw her open for the Dixie Chicks. Quite frankly, I'm not a country fan, so I wasn't expecting much out of the opening act. However, when Patty (and her entire band) opened up with "Blue Sky", I was really surprised. They followed up with "Carry Me", "Tony", "Change" and so forth. By that point, I was blown away. Her voice reverberated throughout the arena, and I thought, "this is a voice meant to be heard in an arena". Of course, the Dixie Chicks' fans didn't take a liking to Patty. "Flaming Red" must have scared half those people to death. Here I was, only 30 minutes into this stranger's set, and I was already feeling defensive when the Dixie Chicks' fans started booing her in between songs. However, I had to admit that this was material that didn't fit the audience. Anyway, forgive me for this long diatribe, but I went out the next day and bought "Flaming Red". The store did not had "LWG", so I took what I could get. "Flaming Red" did not leave my CD player for two months. I couldn't believe how awesome it was. I made CD samplers for friends so they could get an idea of the sound. I was smitten. By the time I bought "LWG", I had already pounded the Internet for information. So, I knew it was all acoustic. Well, it is a good record, but to me it isn't anywhere nearly as good as "Flaming Red". I listen to it thinking, "My God, how good would this song be if it had drums right here or a violin right there or a rolling bass line in here?" So, to me, "Flaming Red" is the masterpiece, not "LWG". But, here's the problem. I get the impression that I'm the only one who thinks this way. This list seems to be a "LWG"-preferred list. I would pay untold fortunes to hear a full-band version of "LWG". I hope to God that if "Silver Bell" ever sees the light of day that it follows the mold of "Flaming Red". Personally, I don't think Patty is being "covered up" at all in the production. I think her voice is too powerful to be covered up. To me, the band is another tool to explain the stories; it adds to the passion. Anyway, I know I'm running on and on, but as a member of this list, I just feel like I'm the only one who prefers the "electric" Patty to the "acoustic" Patty. - -Ryan *************************************************************************** This electronic mail transmission contains confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the person(s) named. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by another person is strictly prohibited. *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V5 #73 ********************************