From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V5 #70 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.quackquack.net/pattyg * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Wednesday, March 21 2001 Volume 05 : Number 070 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: the color of bells ["Paul Russell" ] MM: RE: Silver Bell ["Jackson, Ryan" ] MM: RE: the color of bells ["Moody, Bryan" ] MM: RE: the color of bells ["Jackson, Ryan" ] MM: Re: Rich's post [Mark_Fitzgerald@keybank.com] MM: The album [Johnny U ] Re: MM: Silver Bell ["Tony Matty" ] MM: Live shows [Shanerj15@aol.com] MM: Silver Bell...and the light of day [Boy1der2u@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:19:47 -0000 From: "Paul Russell" Subject: MM: the color of bells Silver? Gold? Copper? I think my feelings can best be expressed in a Bluto monologue from the 1978 film, National Lampoon's "Animal House": What? Over? Did you say "over???" NOTHING is over until WE decide it is. Was it "over" when the, Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? HELL NO! And it ain't over now. Cuz when the going gets tough?..................The tough get going. Who's with me!?!? LET'S!!! GO!!! COME ON!!! AAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!! ....superstah *************************** * Everything I need out * * of life I've learned * * from pornos. * * -- me (Paul Russell)* * * *************************** _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:21:04 -0500 From: "Jackson, Ryan" Subject: MM: RE: Silver Bell Hmmm, so what should one think when he or she found the last album to be quite wonderful? Quite frankly, I wouldn't be disappointed at all to hear Flaming Red, part 2. - -----Original Message----- From: Mike Acerbo [mailto:box@webspan.net] Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2000 12:06 AM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: Silver Bell Has anyone stopped for a moment to consider that maybe the album is being delayed because It simply isn't that good? Judging from her last record, and from the continued boring arrangement/ playing on the Silver Bell promo, I'm not surprised that they've sent it back to her. It may end up making the record a better one in the long run. I'd rather wait for a higher quality album, then suffer through another badly produced and arranged one. Patty's talent and songwriting are so incredible they deserve only the best musicians/producers ect. the record company can help her find. I think the delay can only help her in the long run... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:32:21 -0500 From: "Moody, Bryan" Subject: MM: RE: the color of bells - -----Original Message----- From: Paul Russell [mailto:iceburrrg@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 10:20 AM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: the color of bells Silver? Gold? Copper? I think my feelings can best be expressed in a Bluto monologue from the 1978 film, National Lampoon's "Animal House": What? Over? Did you say "over???" . NOTHING is over until WE decide it is. Was it "over" when the, Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? (...let him go, he's on a roll) HELL NO! And it ain't over now. Cuz when the going gets tough?..................The tough get going. Who's with me!?!? LET'S!!! GO!!! COME ON!!! AAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!! ....superstah *************************** * Everything I need out * * of life I've learned * * from pornos. * * -- me (Paul Russell)* * * *************************** _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:49:09 -0500 From: "Jackson, Ryan" Subject: MM: RE: the color of bells "What da hell we s'possed t' do, yoo moe-ron?" - -----Original Message----- From: Paul Russell [mailto:iceburrrg@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 10:20 AM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: the color of bells Silver? Gold? Copper? I think my feelings can best be expressed in a Bluto monologue from the 1978 film, National Lampoon's "Animal House": What? Over? Did you say "over???" NOTHING is over until WE decide it is. Was it "over" when the, Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? HELL NO! And it ain't over now. Cuz when the going gets tough?..................The tough get going. Who's with me!?!? LET'S!!! GO!!! COME ON!!! AAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!! ....superstah *************************** * Everything I need out * * of life I've learned * * from pornos. * * -- me (Paul Russell)* * * *************************** _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:04:57 -0500 From: Mark_Fitzgerald@keybank.com Subject: MM: Re: Rich's post This is a multipart message in MIME format. - --=_alternative 00424BA685256A15_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > so here's how "silver bell" gets released, basically: >1) interscope/A&M/universal/seagrams/etc. gets off its corporate butt >and releases the album like it should've done last sept. >2) another label (steve earle's E-Squared, dave's ATO, or maybe a >master tapes of "silver bell" and then releases it. >3) patty gets out of her contract, comes up with enough money to buy her >masters from interscope, and then releases it herself. Rich, you obviously know something about the industry....There is one other way it may see the light of day -- perhaps not the best way, but friends of mine did it. The new record company "leases" the record for a period of say 10 years, after which the rights to the recording revert back to the label. This way, the bastard Universal/Seagrams/(insert french company here) conglomerate gets their piece of the pie without doing any of the work, and also get the pie back when it's all said and done. Obviously the only benefit to this arrangement is that the record actually gets out there, instead of sitting on a shelf over at the label. The question is, what label will be willing to cough up the rental? They'd have to believe in the record. It's a gamble as to whether they can make their profit during the lease term. > no other way, unfortunately... even if patty gets dropped from the >label, she can't even RE-RECORD the "silver bell" tracks for a different >company... that's another standard (evil) record company clause. my >friends had universal pull the same thing on them in 1996 and their >album STILL hasn't been released and they STILL can't sell any albums >with any of those 13 songs (that they wrote) on 'em. Sounds like your buddies signed a bad contract. Giving away the rights to the recording is pretty much a given, considering that the record company foots the bill for the studio time, but never give away publishing rights to your songs. As for the other comment about the album not being that good, it's possible. Artist are sent back to the studio every day because the record company exec didn't "hear a single." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:29:21 -0800 (PST) From: Johnny U Subject: MM: The album I liked Flaming Red, despite it's "pop" sound. While I don't mind tweaking a product, I hope that songs such as Shells or Top of the World keep their natural form. Why is everyone looking for a radio hit anyway? Tracy Chapman, Tori Amos and Natalie Merchant are some of the best in music because they do what is right for them and don't need to sell their souls to TRL. I hope the record company doesn't end up drowning the "Patty" out of her own album :-) John ===== "Homer no function beer well without." - Homer Simpson Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:59:13 -0800 From: "Tony Matty" Subject: Re: MM: Silver Bell I also agree that Steve Earle's E Squared label would the perfect choice. Besides, SE is already a Patty G fan. See ya! Tony - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa C" To: "Gary Jacques" ; Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 7:28 PM Subject: Re: MM: Silver Bell > I agree that Earle's label might be a good place for > Patty (and it would definitely place her even more > firmly on "county" terrain), but the anal-retentive > part of me wants to state for the record that it's > Dave Matthews' record label that released White Ladder > in the States (which would also be a neat little place > for Patty to wind up). > > The unfortunate thing at this point, though, is that > I'm sure there are all sorts of legal problems about > ownership of the record as it currently exists because > it wasn't recorded independently. Anyone with > knowledge of this industry stuff, I'd be curious to > know how that would have to work out. > > In the meantime, I'm still hoping the rumor isn't > true; I don't want to think this record will never > come to light. > > with fingers crossed, > Lisa > --- Gary Jacques wrote: > > Just do it yourself Patty. How about a public > > offering. Sell shares in the > > cd to the fans. We pay for the production and > > distribution. It goes gold in > > about two weeks. We all make money and Patty goes > > on tour. All kidding > > aside, one of the best cd's of the year, David > > Grays--White Ladder he > > recorded himself. Was signed by Steve Earle after > > that for release here in > > the USA. Steve Earle's label would be perfect for > > Patty. We should start > > e-mailing him and tell him to buy the rights and > > release it. How much does > > it cost to buy the rights of a CD from the suits > > anyway? This is bull shit. > > Can someone please post the e-mail address of this, > > so called record > > company, so we can get involved. The Evil One feels > > the need to vent. > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:07:00 EST From: Shanerj15@aol.com Subject: MM: Live shows I am new to the list, so forgive me if this is not the right place to ask. Does anyone have any live Patty (solo) shows on disc that they would be willing to trade? I have a ton of Ben Harper and a few Greg Brown shows. Thanks, Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:19:40 EST From: Boy1der2u@aol.com Subject: MM: Silver Bell...and the light of day Perhaps this in incredibly far-fetched, and perhaps I have had waaaaaay too much wine, and I have developed too much enthusiasim in my wonderful trust in the unheard "SILVER BELL" ....but regarding this statement to a previous email: The question is, what label will be willing to cough up the rental? They'd have to believe in the record. Who do YOU think believes in this record? Do YOU? I do. I think we ALL believe in Patty's work...Do you remember the first song you heard written or sung by her? Didn't it make you kinda get goose bumps? Didn't it make you want to hear every song ever sung by her? Do you think some zillionaire big bellied half bald headed white guy is gonna feel the same way we do? Cause I am thinking that he won't. I am thinking that the only people SO FAR who believe in this record are the ones who were captivated by the 1st two...you and me. So here comes the incredibly farfetched thing....Why can't we as a whole (and I know there are hundreds and hundreds of us) all contribute what we feel we would pay to hear Silver Bell in a CD format...I think if we were to do that...maybe we could MAYBE come up with enough $$$ to FINALLY hear Silver Bell's owner, the great Patty G, blasting through living room speakers across the country and know that we...the FIRST fans...were there to help that happen. WE could cough up the rental... Please tell me that the past YEARS of Patty's recording career will one day make it to my stereo, please tell me WE can make this happen for ourselves. I think we can. Charlie ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V5 #70 ********************************