From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V4 #339 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.quackquack.net/pattyg * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Sunday, December 10 2000 Volume 04 : Number 339 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: one hit wonders WAS Re: MM: Re: serious musicians [BLUEHEN@webtv.net] MM: Patty Griffin UK releases/reviews ["Adam K." ] Re: MM: Re: serious musicians ["Greg Pendleton" ] RE: one hit wonders WAS Re: MM: Re: serious musicians ["Jason and Jennif] MM: soul food and a place to eat ["Paul Russell" ] MM: Notta Much! [Femboty2k@aol.com] MM: Patty on Prairie Home Companion! ["Jason and Jennifer Burton" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 01:53:04 -0500 (EST) From: BLUEHEN@webtv.net Subject: Re: one hit wonders WAS Re: MM: Re: serious musicians Aaaaahhh, Astral Weeks....in my car cd player right now....amazing beautiful energy in that piece of work!! ~Patty~ http://pattyblee.cjb.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 12:51:33 -0000 From: "Adam K." Subject: MM: Patty Griffin UK releases/reviews In this Friday's Guardian, they did a round-up of recent country music releases, and at the end, they gave Patty a little blurb, which I transcribe here: "Anyone who saw Emmylou Harris on her recent UK tour will have cuaght a gliimpse of Patty Griffin, who wrote One Big Love (included on Emmylou's Red Dirt Girl album). Griffin's own version is included on Flaming Red (A&AM ***), her 1998 album just released here in tandem with her debut, Living With Ghosts (A&M, ****). The contrast between the two is bizarre. Flaming Red kicks off with the ferocious punk-blast of its title song. But Living with Ghosts, a collection of Griffin's demos from 1996, found her testing the limists of her formbidable voice with just an acousitc guitar for company. If she sounds uncannily like Alanis Morissette on Every Little Bit, she can also evoke the spirits of Rickie Lee Jones, Bonnie Raitt and even Bruce Springsteen. Her songs, like Let Him Fly or Poor Man' house, are frighteningly good." It's good to see her finally get a crack at the UK market, although I'm not sure about the Alanis Morissette comparison (one of those lazy music journalist reference points cropping up, again), but the big surprise for me is that anything I listen to could be categorised as country music, in the same column as Reba McEntire and Billy Ray Cyrus. Gol dern it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 08:38:15 -0500 From: "Greg Pendleton" Subject: Re: MM: Re: serious musicians Bob Dylan once said to some guy named John Lennon, and I paraphrase, "the Beatles' music is pretty good but you don't say anything meaningful in your lyrics." This was around 1964-65. The Beatles released "Rubber Soul" after that and the rest, as they say, is history. I used to be very critical of artists who "did not take their music seriously." But it's nice to throw in an "All Together Now" with every "Norwegian Wood" or "In My Life." Greg - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa C" To: ; Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 1:55 PM Subject: Re: MM: Re: serious musicians > Rachel said: > > > > I dunno. Just because someone has a hit with a > > silly song, it doesn't > > mean that they're not "tak[ing] themselves seriously > > as musicians" or "truly > > serious musicians working hard." Yes, the Thong Song > > got a lot of widespread > > play, but Sisqo's music was played quite a bit for a > > long time before that on > > R&B and hip hop music stations. And he was in a > > popular group before he went > > solo (Jodeci, I think). I always got the impression > > that he took his music > > very seriously, and just because most people only > > know him for one ridiculous > > song, doesn't mean that his music isn't real. > > For the sake of clarification, I was actually > referring to something someone (sorry, I forgot who) > said they read that Sisquo himself said about "not > taking himself that seriously." Perhaps he only said > this in reference to the thong song, which would make > sense. > > > > If that analogy were true, I'd sure love to say > > that Shawn (sp?) Colvin > > isn't a real musician, but deep down, I know that's > > not true. And I don't > > know why we're all having this discussion, but it's > > interesting to see what > > people think about it. I mean, how many people just > > magically have a hit song > > without trying at all? Just because you managed to > > become a one hit wonder > > doesn't mean you're not serious about your music. > > This acutally reinforces my point, in a way. I > certainly didn't mean to imply that becoming a > "one-hit wonder" precludes true musicianship. Far > from it. (For the record, I also don't think of Shawn > Colvin as a one-hit wonder). Sadly, many very > talented artists often only muster one "hit," if any. > One could argue that by staying true to their craft > and not pandering to commercial audiences, one hit > might be the best they could do. Certainly in today's > pop music climate, at least. > > It's just that the pop audience today seems to respond > best to what comes easily; Personally, I would rather > be challenged, or challenge myself. Which means I > seek out artists who are more interesting, and often > (by circumstance) outside the "pop/TRL" sphere. > > i LOVE discussing this stuff. Lisa > > > > Rachel :D > > > > > > ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ > > The Patty Griffin Lyrics Archive > > http://www.geocities.com/raitch/patty.html > > > > Tubby and Luscious > > http://www.geocities.com/raitch/tubby/ > > ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 09:26:08 -0600 From: "Jason and Jennifer Burton" Subject: RE: one hit wonders WAS Re: MM: Re: serious musicians "Gloria" was a hit? I thought U2 wrote that. :-) Jason (who is just kidding of course!) The Single Collector WWW.SINGLECOLLECTOR.COM Hard to find CD Singles, Promos, Imports, and Vinyl In a message dated 12/08/2000 1:22:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, albassp@ev1.net writes: > they were having a 'one-hit > wonder' weekend. i nearly fell out when they played 'gloria' by van > morrison! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:27:07 -0000 From: "Paul Russell" Subject: MM: soul food and a place to eat whattup? Van Morrison? Who's Van Morrison? Any relation to Jim Morrison? :P "Gloria?" "Gloria?" "Gloria" was sung by Laura Branigan in the 80s. "You don't have to answer, leave 'em hanging on the li-ine. Oh, calling Gloria." The only thing I have time to write at this particular moment concerning "complaints about the music industry" is that the "music industry" pretty much died when Sun Records signed some kid named Elvis Presley to sing a few of their rock and roll songs. And the "radio industry" pretty much died when the big broadcasting companies lobbied to the FCC to keep the "good" (and free) radio stations at the bottom of the dial, as well as making those "good" (and free) radio stations give up their prime dial positions for lower ones. And the "television industry" pretty much died when those very stations moved to TV and figured out they could make tons of money by selling thirty second spots instead of whole programs. But such is life. I would've done the exact same thing, really. As Samuel Goldwyn once said, "If you've got a message, send it Western Union. This is the entertainment business." Hey, I think I'll change my signature to that. But now to finish two papers for Monday's final class...and possibly some film editing as well. I was kidding about Van Morrison by the way. But not about Laura Branigan...I had many fantasies with that album cover. peace out, paul ********************************* * Beauty is where you find it, * * not just where you bump and * * grind it. * * -- Madonna * * from "Vogue" * ********************************* _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 18:53:05 EST From: Femboty2k@aol.com Subject: MM: Notta Much! I'm feeling compelled to share! Yes I've had a few, however.......I'd like to thank everyone one this list for sharing their views (even the one's I disagree with :-) ----it makes for great conversation and good thought sometimes.... Piece (Oops...I mean Peace) Tina "It's hard to be good, but I hate to be bad" - --------------------------------------------- DENIAL I'm trying to get inspired Reading all I can Patty Griffin's got me on fire That woman's got words to lend Sorting through my thoughts Writing in a book called Denial Can't continue to lie There's more to living than survival Seems that's all I've been doing For the past 15 years Ordering up a double Just having a couple of beers Slurring out "Final Final" That's my favorite way to say Please can I have another Just one more before I pay I'm so tired of paying my tab The price is way too high For years I was afraid to live And now I'm terrified to die Those crashing dreams, silent screams All in the middle in of the night are scaring me, and daring me To turn and face the light But then this light is so bright Sometimes it hurts my eyes And if I look at it for too long I feel compelled to cry Crying's for the weak they say I always wanted to be strong But lately when I cry It feels more right then wrong! Tina (Hey, How bout da name "Pd Sinclaire" for me...........are ya liking it? I do. Common Evil Gary, Mr. Connell, and Everylittlebit, what do ya think? I need an alias. . Or... how bout TinaInDaSky's? I like that one too. Tina ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 18:01:58 -0600 From: "Jason and Jennifer Burton" Subject: MM: Patty on Prairie Home Companion! Patty is on Prairie Home Companion this weekend singing with Emmylou Harris (I'm listening to it in Chicago at this very moment....hopefully those of you in other areas can still catch it!). Jason The Single Collector WWW.SINGLECOLLECTOR.COM Hard to find CD Singles, Promos, Imports, and Vinyl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 19:50:07 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: MM: Patty Sessions At West 54th repeating this week/weekend!! Gosh...too bad nobody picked up on this earlier, but according to the Sessions At West 54th website ( http://www.sessionsatwest54th.com ), the episode with Patty (taped in the fall of 1999) is airing "this week". Since the show usually airs on PBS stations on Friday, Saturday or Sunday nights, there's a good chance most of us have not missed it yet. Please note that this program airs on PBS, and does NOT have a national schedule as far as day & time, and this episode is NOT going to be on ALL PBS stations this weekend (as experience shows). Many stations free lance their episodes. Many will show it this weekend, many next weekend or the weekend after. Some will simply not show it. The best advice is to check your local TV listings and/or check for your local PBS station's online listings by starting at www.pbs.org and entering your zip code in the field at the top right corner of the website (Station finder). Then go to your local PBS stations' site and see if they have an online schedule (NOT always 100% reliable). Good luck and I hope you all catch this. Mike :-) - - * The Patty Griffin/Mad-Mission@smoe List Homepage is at: * http://www.quackquack.net/pattyg * * Rachel Martin's Patty Griffin Lyrics Archive is at * http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/3079/patty.html * * Jerry Zigmont's Flaming Red - A Patty Griffin Website is at * http://members.tripod.com/PattyGriffin * * Katie Peterson's Patty Griffin Guitar Tabs Archive is at * http://members.tripod.com/~Lifey/patty.html * * DuckOfPrey or WhyADuck55 on AOL and/or AOL Instant Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 20:03:51 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: MM: Oooops, for some it aired last weekend Ut oh. While the Sessions At West 54th site clearly says Patty is "in session this week", a little lower on the site it says "airing the weekend of December 1". None the less, history shows that many PBS stations air particular episodes the weekend after the site shows, or even the 2nd weekend after. So it's still best to check your local listsing just to be sure. Also, while I have no idea how reliable this page is, but at the Sessions web site is a "Stations listing" by state. Just enter your state and it lists all the stations in your state that airs Sessions and at what time. Again, good luck and I am sorry I didn't spot that "December 1" part before, but again it likely IS airing in some makets this weekend or next. Mike :-) - - * The Patty Griffin/Mad-Mission@smoe List Homepage is at: * http://www.quackquack.net/pattyg * * Rachel Martin's Patty Griffin Lyrics Archive is at * http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/3079/patty.html * * Jerry Zigmont's Flaming Red - A Patty Griffin Website is at * http://members.tripod.com/PattyGriffin * * Katie Peterson's Patty Griffin Guitar Tabs Archive is at * http://members.tripod.com/~Lifey/patty.html * * DuckOfPrey or WhyADuck55 on AOL and/or AOL Instant Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 20:11:00 EST From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: MM: Re: Patty on Prairie Home Companion! In a message dated 12/9/2000 7:34:59 PM, jandjburt@prodigy.net writes: << Patty is on Prairie Home Companion this weekend singing with Emmylou Harris (I'm listening to it in Chicago at this very moment....hopefully those of you in other areas can still catch it!). >> Hi all, For those of you who would like to check if and when this radio show is broadcast in your area, go to: http://www.prairiehomecompanion.com/ It's got broadcast times and radio station listings and many repeat this broadcast tomorrow. Alan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 02:37:34 From: "Matthew Hoppock" Subject: Re: MM: Oooops, for some it aired last weekend I missed the sessions at West 54 set. is there a way that i can acquire a tape of it? does "Sessions" sell tapes of their shows or has anyone taped it? matthew _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 00:46:54 -0500 From: "Donald Henn" Subject: MM: Re: Notta Much! Tina , I'm truly impressed with DENIAL. Hope you're still comfortable with sharing it after "having a few" wears off. Tina "Denial" With the light in our eyes It's hard to see Holding on and on 'til we believe Heather Nova "Walk This World" > I'm feeling compelled to share! Yes I've had a few, however.......I'd like > to thank everyone one this list for sharing their views (even the one's I > disagree with :-) ----it makes for great conversation and good thought > sometimes.... > > Piece (Oops...I mean Peace) > Tina "It's hard to be good, but I hate to be bad" > --------------------------------------------- > DENIAL > I'm trying to get inspired > Reading all I can > Patty Griffin's got me on fire > That woman's got words to lend > > Sorting through my thoughts > Writing in a book called Denial > Can't continue to lie > There's more to living than survival > > Seems that's all I've been doing > For the past 15 years > Ordering up a double > Just having a couple of beers > > Slurring out "Final Final" > That's my favorite way to say > Please can I have another > Just one more before I pay > > I'm so tired of paying my tab > The price is way too high > For years I was afraid to live > And now I'm terrified to die > > Those crashing dreams, silent screams > All in the middle in of the night > are scaring me, and daring me > To turn and face the light > > But then this light is so bright > Sometimes it hurts my eyes > And if I look at it for too long > I feel compelled to cry > > Crying's for the weak they say > I always wanted to be strong > But lately when I cry > It feels more right then wrong! > > Tina (Hey, How bout da name "Pd Sinclaire" for me...........are ya liking > it? I do. Common Evil Gary, Mr. Connell, and Everylittlebit, what do ya > think? I need an alias. . Or... how bout TinaInDaSky's? I like that one > too. > > Tina ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V4 #339 *********************************