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A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Tuesday, November 28 2000 Volume 04 : Number 326 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: my ears are bleeding---NPC [Everyman7@aol.com] MM: RE: my ears are bleeding---NPC [Gary Jacques Subject: MM: RE: my ears are bleeding---NPC Paul, noise must be your best friend. I mean you would have to listen to whats going on inside that twisted head of yours otherwise. LOL Evil - -----Original Message----- From: Paul Russell [mailto:iceburrrg@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 9:56 PM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: my ears are bleeding---NPC Noise! Do you know what the word "noise" means? It comes from the latin "No Ise" meaning no ise. No ise. Do you want to make me blind or something? That which has no ise can not see. Okay, I'm a flake. I love noise. Noise is something we need to be able to call something musical. Why can't there be more noise in our lives? ********Off on a tangent here********* You know, I watched a bit of the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade and I didn't realize there were so many boy glamor bands out there. I thought NSync and Backstreet Boys were it. Hoo boy was I wrong. They're coming out of the woodwork. At least they sing well and put on a good appearance. More power to them. *********back to noise******** Noise is great stuff. I like to listen to pots and pans clanging together every once in a while. Especially with nails being scratched on a blackboard. Oh wait. I believe that would be the Bay City Rollers album I possess (or that is possessed). I always get the two confused (take your pick). I don't consider anything on Patty Griffin's "Flaming Red" as noise; but that comes from someone who enjoys NIN, the Plasmatics (as previously discussed), Drill, DJ Rap, Agent Orange, the Rugburns, Green Jello, Life Sex Death, Cannibal Corpes, and more....all who have been described as "noise" at one time or another. And surprisingly, the one artist I described in 1993, when I was a DeeJay, as "the most horrible artist I've ever heard" is now selling millions of albums. (uh, that would be Kid Rock. I'll agree he's got some cooler tunes now, but back then I wanted to break the CD before the song was finished....mainly because it sounded like a bunch of sheep and metal, and let's not forget the F word he liked to use repeatedly almost the entire song. I cringed and took it off the air as fast as possible.) Don't get me wrong, there is plenty of bad music out there, but noise is too general a term. And I would propound that there is even a time for truly bad music to be in the spotlight. Case in point: The funny thing about Drill is that the cute woman singer sounds like she's a dolphin on the entire CD I have. Seriously, don't play her music while near an ocean. However, with all that said, I wouldn't throw it away because there are times when listening to "dolphin lady" is just what the doctor ordered. Or it just calms me down before I let the voices convince me to open fire (this is Florida, the State of choice for confused voters.) So, I'd have to say that comparatively, Flaming Red is definitely not noise. I sort of agree with Evil Gary. Before labeling something as noise, take time out to listen to all the parts. Since The Doors were mentioned, I want to say that I used to change radio stations whenever one of their songs came on the radio. Ugh. I couldn't stand that "nonsense," until one day I just made myself listen to only the keyboard part. It changed my perspective and I started seeing how all the music flowed together with the vocals. Now I especially can't get enough of "Riders on the Storm." And to think George Thorogood can actually play an entire guitar solo using just one note (and it be good) still is amazing to me. I don't think it would matter what kind of Patty Griffin music came out on this next album (either "elevator" or "noise"), I'd probably still want to dry hump her leg or something. Unless of course, Miss Laetitia Casta was with me. Then I'd be dry humping HER leg. By the Way, her name is Sheryl Crow....and Dave doesn't let me dry hump her leg. And I don't know why; Dave told me he was changing fiances to Bree Sharp, which would leave Ms. Crow's leg an open topic for discussion. Now I'm just spouting off. No real thought process here. Too much cranberry sauce in the brain. Next year, I should refuse to inject that stuff into my bloodstream directly. Not a good move. Damn peer pressure. Those 90-year-old relatives need to stop putting their medication in my tea. ******uh******* I have to back up Dana on this thread with the "not liking everything an artist makes." It would be too weird if you like EVERYTHING an artist puts out. I heart most of Metallica except their 1995-ish sellout years (yeah, they say they didn't sell out, but their guitar riffs sounded a bit too much like the popular surfer guitar fad of the Pulp Fiction soundtrack during that time.) But seriously, do we REALLY enjoy EVERY song any artist puts out? I wouldn't think so. It would seem to me that we would become stale human beings, and then the music promoters would have us by the gonads with their pre-packaged genres. There are a couple of songs I don't like in Patty Griffin's repertoire, but I think that's a natural thing. Come on, who really likes every single song from Van Halen's 1984? Sure, Diamond Dave Roth is in the key light, but there are only so many riffs Mr. Van Halen can play before you start thinking the song is actually just three minutes of filler for that particular album (which is sometimes the case for EVERY recording artist). But the question that's been haunting us all, is "who let the dogs out?" who? who? who? who? And now back to your regularly scheduled Sonny and Cher program...the one with George Bush as the President-Elect, of course (a little not-so-inside info. from the lovely State of Florida...like we didn't already know that since November 8). burp. paul Pee Ess-- DJ Rap is a woman, by the way. She just sounds like a man because of her voice machines. She fools a lot of people who haven't seen her live. Pee Pee Ess--Okay, the Bay City Rollers aren't REALLY that bad. Uh, maybe. **************************************** * Reality is a good game. You might * * want to try it sometime. But I have * * to warn you, it's expensive. * * -- Red Green * * from the New Red Green Show* **************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:02:31 -0600 From: "amber bass-patterson" Subject: Re: MM: my ears are bleeding---NPC just a note. . . if you think anything patty does vaguely resembles noise, take it slow and easy with the legendary tom waits. jack was sittin poker faced with bullets backed with bitches neal hunched at the wheel puttin everyone in stitches braggin bout this nurse he screwed while drivin through nebraska and when she came she honked the horn and neal just barely missed a truck and then he asked her if she'd like to come like that to californy see a red head in a uniform will always get you horny tom waits - Medley: Jack & Neal/California, Here I Come "I have an image that has been cultivated, derived from the way I am. I just try to steer a course between the pomp and the piss." - - Tom Waits, in Time 1977 amber - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 3:12 AM Subject: Re: MM: my ears are bleeding---NPC > Hey Paul- so how is your engagement going with your fiance Letitia? Dave told > me he broke up with Sheryl Crowe! So sad- heart breaking, really- but I hope > that you and L. are doing ok. As for noise, I do like it sometimes- I never > liked everything the Doors did, either. They were pretty cool tho at the > time. Not as cool as Patty, of course. I was listening tonite to her cover of > Take It With Me? by Tom Waites- who is that? I confess I need to be educated > some more! Anyway- it is a beautiful song- it is interesting to hear what > songs Patty loves by other writers. That tender "cradle" song is quite a > contrast to some of her own stuff- where she verbally shreds whoever she is > mad on- the perpetrator, so to speak. I hope she never gets mad at me! I > would probably never be able to walk again! I always listen to the lyrics > trying to catch what I can and hear it better. I swear- I'll never walk out > on WF or any of my other non faves- Hope I am not kicked out of the MM list > for being a trouble maker! Dana in Berkeley ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:45:53 -0500 From: "Andrew, Lee" Subject: MM: RE: my ears are bleeding---NPC I would like to officially nominate Paul as the most bizarre, hysterical, sense of humor on this or any other list:-) Lee, (who is still trying to figure out what I just read) -----Original Message----- From: Paul Russell [mailto:iceburrrg@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 9:56 PM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: my ears are bleeding---NPC Noise! Do you know what the word "noise" means? It comes from the latin "No Ise" meaning no ise. No ise. Do you want to make me blind or something? That which has no ise can not see. Okay, I'm a flake. I love noise. Noise is something we need to be able to call something musical. Why can't there be more noise in our lives? ********Off on a tangent here********* You know, I watched a bit of the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade and I didn't realize there were so many boy glamor bands out there. I thought NSync and Backstreet Boys were it. Hoo boy was I wrong. They're coming out of the woodwork. At least they sing well and put on a good appearance. More power to them. *********back to noise******** Noise is great stuff. I like to listen to pots and pans clanging together every once in a while. Especially with nails being scratched on a blackboard. Oh wait. I believe that would be the Bay City Rollers album I possess (or that is possessed). I always get the two confused (take your pick). I don't consider anything on Patty Griffin's "Flaming Red" as noise; but that comes from someone who enjoys NIN, the Plasmatics (as previously discussed), Drill, DJ Rap, Agent Orange, the Rugburns, Green Jello, Life Sex Death, Cannibal Corpes, and more....all who have been described as "noise" at one time or another. And surprisingly, the one artist I described in 1993, when I was a DeeJay, as "the most horrible artist I've ever heard" is now selling millions of albums. (uh, that would be Kid Rock. I'll agree he's got some cooler tunes now, but back then I wanted to break the CD before the song was finished....mainly because it sounded like a bunch of sheep and metal, and let's not forget the F word he liked to use repeatedly almost the entire song. I cringed and took it off the air as fast as possible.) Don't get me wrong, there is plenty of bad music out there, but noise is too general a term. And I would propound that there is even a time for truly bad music to be in the spotlight. Case in point: The funny thing about Drill is that the cute woman singer sounds like she's a dolphin on the entire CD I have. Seriously, don't play her music while near an ocean. However, with all that said, I wouldn't throw it away because there are times when listening to "dolphin lady" is just what the doctor ordered. Or it just calms me down before I let the voices convince me to open fire (this is Florida, the State of choice for confused voters.) So, I'd have to say that comparatively, Flaming Red is definitely not noise. I sort of agree with Evil Gary. Before labeling something as noise, take time out to listen to all the parts. Since The Doors were mentioned, I want to say that I used to change radio stations whenever one of their songs came on the radio. Ugh. I couldn't stand that "nonsense," until one day I just made myself listen to only the keyboard part. It changed my perspective and I started seeing how all the music flowed together with the vocals. Now I especially can't get enough of "Riders on the Storm." And to think George Thorogood can actually play an entire guitar solo using just one note (and it be good) still is amazing to me. I don't think it would matter what kind of Patty Griffin music came out on this next album (either "elevator" or "noise"), I'd probably still want to dry hump her leg or something. Unless of course, Miss Laetitia Casta was with me. Then I'd be dry humping HER leg. By the Way, her name is Sheryl Crow....and Dave doesn't let me dry hump her leg. And I don't know why; Dave told me he was changing fiances to Bree Sharp, which would leave Ms. Crow's leg an open topic for discussion. Now I'm just spouting off. No real thought process here. Too much cranberry sauce in the brain. Next year, I should refuse to inject that stuff into my bloodstream directly. Not a good move. Damn peer pressure. Those 90-year-old relatives need to stop putting their medication in my tea. ******uh******* I have to back up Dana on this thread with the "not liking everything an artist makes." It would be too weird if you like EVERYTHING an artist puts out. I heart most of Metallica except their 1995-ish sellout years (yeah, they say they didn't sell out, but their guitar riffs sounded a bit too much like the popular surfer guitar fad of the Pulp Fiction soundtrack during that time.) But seriously, do we REALLY enjoy EVERY song any artist puts out? I wouldn't think so. It would seem to me that we would become stale human beings, and then the music promoters would have us by the gonads with their pre-packaged genres. There are a couple of songs I don't like in Patty Griffin's repertoire, but I think that's a natural thing. Come on, who really likes every single song from Van Halen's 1984? Sure, Diamond Dave Roth is in the key light, but there are only so many riffs Mr. Van Halen can play before you start thinking the song is actually just three minutes of filler for that particular album (which is sometimes the case for EVERY recording artist). But the question that's been haunting us all, is "who let the dogs out?" who? who? who? who? And now back to your regularly scheduled Sonny and Cher program...the one with George Bush as the President-Elect, of course (a little not-so-inside info. from the lovely State of Florida...like we didn't already know that since November 8). burp. paul Pee Ess-- DJ Rap is a woman, by the way. She just sounds like a man because of her voice machines. She fools a lot of people who haven't seen her live. Pee Pee Ess--Okay, the Bay City Rollers aren't REALLY that bad. Uh, maybe. **************************************** * Reality is a good game. You might * * want to try it sometime. But I have * * to warn you, it's expensive. * * -- Red Green * * from the New Red Green Show* **************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V4 #326 *********************************