From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V4 #325 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.quackquack.net/pattyg * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Tuesday, November 28 2000 Volume 04 : Number 325 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: more noise stuff [Everyman7@aol.com] MM: MM - Noise [Femboty2k@aol.com] Re: MM: MM - Noise [BLUEHEN@webtv.net] MM: my ears are bleeding---NPC ["Paul Russell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 02:36:13 EST From: Everyman7@aol.com Subject: MM: more noise stuff Well my daughter Jayne happens to have a TV show about the Doors on right now and they are playing Light My Fire- which in my hazy recollections of blasting it in my dorm room in the late 60s's- used to be noisey, but sounds pretty tame now, compared to the intro of Wiggley Fingers. VERY tame! I can stand listening to FR, WF, Cain and SB, but I could happily skip them too. A concert missing all of them on the set list would be perfect. I guess that is sacrilege for a long time list member to admit- Sorry. I know I just put myself on the blacklist and I'll be dodging flames possibly! I just have always loved the songs that I can hear the words, that have a memorable melody and touch me inside somewhere- like Shells. Patty tells a story and really can nail it in her lyrics. If I only love 90-95 % of her songs, that is pretty good- I don't love everything of my fave Jackson Browne, or Catie Curtis {The Great & Wonderful} or any of my other fave singers either. I still love them and never miss a chance to catch them in concert and try to share them with friends. Tonite I just got back from Eric Andersen at the Freight & Salvage- I have loved his songs since way back in high school- I never followed mainstream much. He is still good- he mesmerized us with Ghosts on the Road. So if your Way Back Machine could just send me back to the late 60's with Eric Andersen in the Village, or Cambridge- I would be a very happy old fogey. I guess I felt about him something like Dave does about his fiance what's her name- Are you Strong Enough To Be My Man- sorry- blanking out on her name. I know I am going to get educated on her name. Now the flames are really coming! Bottles, etc. Better say good night! I still love Patty. Dana in Berkeley ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 12:49:56 EST From: Femboty2k@aol.com Subject: MM: MM - Noise Patty can cradle as well as rock. That's one of the beauties of her talent. Later, Tina ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 16:34:30 -0500 (EST) From: BLUEHEN@webtv.net Subject: Re: MM: MM - Noise Well put, Tina...thank you! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 02:55:38 -0000 From: "Paul Russell" Subject: MM: my ears are bleeding---NPC Noise! Do you know what the word "noise" means? It comes from the latin "No Ise" meaning no ise. No ise. Do you want to make me blind or something? That which has no ise can not see. Okay, I'm a flake. I love noise. Noise is something we need to be able to call something musical. Why can't there be more noise in our lives? ********Off on a tangent here********* You know, I watched a bit of the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade and I didn't realize there were so many boy glamor bands out there. I thought NSync and Backstreet Boys were it. Hoo boy was I wrong. They're coming out of the woodwork. At least they sing well and put on a good appearance. More power to them. *********back to noise******** Noise is great stuff. I like to listen to pots and pans clanging together every once in a while. Especially with nails being scratched on a blackboard. Oh wait. I believe that would be the Bay City Rollers album I possess (or that is possessed). I always get the two confused (take your pick). I don't consider anything on Patty Griffin's "Flaming Red" as noise; but that comes from someone who enjoys NIN, the Plasmatics (as previously discussed), Drill, DJ Rap, Agent Orange, the Rugburns, Green Jello, Life Sex Death, Cannibal Corpes, and more....all who have been described as "noise" at one time or another. And surprisingly, the one artist I described in 1993, when I was a DeeJay, as "the most horrible artist I've ever heard" is now selling millions of albums. (uh, that would be Kid Rock. I'll agree he's got some cooler tunes now, but back then I wanted to break the CD before the song was finished....mainly because it sounded like a bunch of sheep and metal, and let's not forget the F word he liked to use repeatedly almost the entire song. I cringed and took it off the air as fast as possible.) Don't get me wrong, there is plenty of bad music out there, but noise is too general a term. And I would propound that there is even a time for truly bad music to be in the spotlight. Case in point: The funny thing about Drill is that the cute woman singer sounds like she's a dolphin on the entire CD I have. Seriously, don't play her music while near an ocean. However, with all that said, I wouldn't throw it away because there are times when listening to "dolphin lady" is just what the doctor ordered. Or it just calms me down before I let the voices convince me to open fire (this is Florida, the State of choice for confused voters.) So, I'd have to say that comparatively, Flaming Red is definitely not noise. I sort of agree with Evil Gary. Before labeling something as noise, take time out to listen to all the parts. Since The Doors were mentioned, I want to say that I used to change radio stations whenever one of their songs came on the radio. Ugh. I couldn't stand that "nonsense," until one day I just made myself listen to only the keyboard part. It changed my perspective and I started seeing how all the music flowed together with the vocals. Now I especially can't get enough of "Riders on the Storm." And to think George Thorogood can actually play an entire guitar solo using just one note (and it be good) still is amazing to me. I don't think it would matter what kind of Patty Griffin music came out on this next album (either "elevator" or "noise"), I'd probably still want to dry hump her leg or something. Unless of course, Miss Laetitia Casta was with me. Then I'd be dry humping HER leg. By the Way, her name is Sheryl Crow....and Dave doesn't let me dry hump her leg. And I don't know why; Dave told me he was changing fiances to Bree Sharp, which would leave Ms. Crow's leg an open topic for discussion. Now I'm just spouting off. No real thought process here. Too much cranberry sauce in the brain. Next year, I should refuse to inject that stuff into my bloodstream directly. Not a good move. Damn peer pressure. Those 90-year-old relatives need to stop putting their medication in my tea. ******uh******* I have to back up Dana on this thread with the "not liking everything an artist makes." It would be too weird if you like EVERYTHING an artist puts out. I heart most of Metallica except their 1995-ish sellout years (yeah, they say they didn't sell out, but their guitar riffs sounded a bit too much like the popular surfer guitar fad of the Pulp Fiction soundtrack during that time.) But seriously, do we REALLY enjoy EVERY song any artist puts out? I wouldn't think so. It would seem to me that we would become stale human beings, and then the music promoters would have us by the gonads with their pre-packaged genres. There are a couple of songs I don't like in Patty Griffin's repertoire, but I think that's a natural thing. Come on, who really likes every single song from Van Halen's 1984? Sure, Diamond Dave Roth is in the key light, but there are only so many riffs Mr. Van Halen can play before you start thinking the song is actually just three minutes of filler for that particular album (which is sometimes the case for EVERY recording artist). But the question that's been haunting us all, is "who let the dogs out?" who? who? who? who? And now back to your regularly scheduled Sonny and Cher program...the one with George Bush as the President-Elect, of course (a little not-so-inside info. from the lovely State of Florida...like we didn't already know that since November 8). burp. paul Pee Ess-- DJ Rap is a woman, by the way. She just sounds like a man because of her voice machines. She fools a lot of people who haven't seen her live. Pee Pee Ess--Okay, the Bay City Rollers aren't REALLY that bad. Uh, maybe. **************************************** * Reality is a good game. You might * * want to try it sometime. But I have * * to warn you, it's expensive. * * -- Red Green * * from the New Red Green Show* **************************************** _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V4 #325 *********************************