From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V4 #179 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.quackquack.net/patttyg * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Monday, June 19 2000 Volume 04 : Number 179 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Top Of The World [Everyman7@aol.com] MM: The Evil One [Gary Jacques ] Re: MM: Top Of The World [Scubagrrl@aol.com] MM: Weighing in late on the Evil Gary Gala ["LouAnn Muhm" ] Re: MM: Weighing in late on the Evil Gary Gala [Courtney@starlinx.com] MM: RE: Weighing in late on the Evil Gary Gala ["Paquin, John" ] MM: Tribute CD [Gary Jacques ] MM: The polite thing to do would be... ["Corey Atkins" ] MM: The Evil One (NPC) [rblack1@io.com (Ronda Blacksher)] MM: *Rave Review* ["Donald Henn" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 03:42:35 EDT From: Everyman7@aol.com Subject: MM: Top Of The World I have this melody stuck in my head for several days now- I love this song- so sad. I still am not sure of the meaning tho- I feel like it is a man feeling bad that his wife of many years who he neglected emotionally- he just pretended to be asleep in the morning when she came in to say good bye before going out to work in the rain- he didn't show who he was inside- she died suddenly- she flew away suddenly without so much as a word. Now he has regrets- did he kill her? "I think I broke the wings off this little song bird- I don't have to answer these questions. I don't have no God to teach me no lessons." Maybe he just broke her heart. Or maybe he just wasted their time together and now it is gone- You don't know what you've got till its gone. And yet the line where he "sits in his chair- just stays right there" makes me wonder if it is him who was dead in the chair when they called him for dinner. Maybe he was just being miserable to her. Anyway, now they are never going to stand together and be proud- a whole lot of singing isn't gonna be heard- she flew to the top of the world- so far away. Does anyone have it figured out better? It reminds me of Long Black Limosine- the same regret when it is too late after years together. Tears. Dana ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:24:13 -0400 From: Gary Jacques Subject: MM: The Evil One I say OFF WITH HIS HEAD! Burn him at the stake! Stone him! Worse yet censor him! If they take my tongue, is there anyone that can teach me to sign? Oh, the pain and shame of it all. My heart burns with remorse. Damn my truthful tongue and its never ending need to speak. Will no one pardon me? Where are my long distance lesbian lovers when I need them? Where is Paul? Someone call Patty and ask her to come to the aid of her most loyal Evil Gary. I promise to be good. So help me Cod! Good Karma Gary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:22:34 EDT From: Scubagrrl@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Top Of The World Top of the World is one of my favorite Patty tunes, and I'm sure many other MMers feel the same way. I loved Dana's "interpretation" of the song and it made me think a bit more about the possible meaning(s). The story I picture in my head is something like this, in part because Patty prefaces it on my taped copy by saying "This is about someone I knew that passed on." In the song, a man seems to be lamenting his life and his regrets, like saying "I wished I loved Jesus the way my wife does." It sounds to me like he is the one who has died because they called him for supper and he never got up. And now that he's gone, he'll never hear "a whole lot of singing" or just the beauty of everyday life. I think the songbird just represents the fact that he wasted his life and perhaps the time he had with people who loved him because he broke the wings off. In the end of the song though, he now realizes he doesn't know why he did all those things but that he might have one more chance to take the songbird for a ride to the top of the world (heaven) and be redeemed once he gets there. Almost like everyone can seek redemption and be given another chance. Anyway, that's what goes through me when I hear/sing it. Thanks for your images Dana, I love getting a new perspective on Patty's stuff! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:33:07 -0500 From: "LouAnn Muhm" Subject: MM: Weighing in late on the Evil Gary Gala I think this is all a bit ridiculous. We are all adults (well, mostly) on this list, and nothing has happened but a little crabbiness, which is Gary's claim to fame. Good grief--I cannot believe how intolerant the peace-love-harmony-and-understanding-for-all crowd can be (of which I am usually one) when faced with a dissenting voice. I look forward to Gary's posts--they have much more life and spark than most others. Ironic: one of the "Down with EG crowd suggested "I don't believe there's such a thing as saying too much..." for the MM t-shirt slogan. I, for one, am far more offended by the shameless self-promotion of some (I said SOME, not all--just relax) of the performing musicians on the list than I am by any of Gary's rants. If a rule of this list is that you can't tell the truth about how you feel, then I don't think I want to be on it. And I don't think Patty would, either. Peace, LouAnn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:47:46 PDT From: "Paul Russell" Subject: MM: Eveel Gary Okay, I actually agree with LuAnn a bit here. I mean, I can recall three times Evil Gary has made fun of me (maybe more...but three is all I can remember after killing as many brain cells as I do drinking). But you know what? yeah well, who cares? I truly think there's a difference between EG telling me that I'm annoying and I can go fuck off, and (for lack of a better example, sorry Dave) Dave from PA telling me the same thing. I would be more hurt by Dave telling me because it's not his nature to write something like that...so for him to do so would mean he was REALLY pissed. And I should know, I've pissed him off before (a little misunderstanding on the Badlees...straightened out now, though). I don't think someone should be ousted from our little list for giving opinions, I'm pretty good at that and would hate to have to watch what I say. Another thing, It's not like Gary only joined this list with the specific purpose to taunt everyone, as he likes to do sometimes. He has actually given a lot of good info on many artists performing in the Phily area...as well as great venues to check them out in. And I'm sure that those on this list who like those small, personal settings with great musicians (and who live in the Tri-State area) have found that information valuable. He may be a bit harsh, but that's America, that's life, that's freedom. And I'm not sitting here defending Gary or any of his opinions (and I have agreed with a couple). But I'm defending his God-Given Right to be on a Patty Griffin list, with whom he loves to listen. Besides, if Eveel Gary (place pinky on the corner of mouth) didn't like pushing buttons so much, he'd be on the digest only version for 1-meelion dollars....I mean, 100-beelion dollars. Mr. Bigglesworth is getting restless now. Fire the "lay-zer." peace love, and veggie rights (they're the underdogs you know) paul *********************************** * Don't ask me 'Hank, why do you * * drink.' and 'Hank, why do you * * roll smoke. Why must you live * * out the songs that you wrote?' * * --Hank Williams, Jr. from * * "Family Tradition" * *********************************** ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, Jun 19 2000 14:54:55 GMT-0400 From: Courtney@starlinx.com Subject: Re: MM: Weighing in late on the Evil Gary Gala Yeah, What SHE said :-) You GO LouAnn.........Gary's post are more interesting then alot of the stuff that gets posted on this list ...... I didn't find anything offensive in what HE said this time around. :-) Peas, Courtney > >From: "LouAnn Muhm" >Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:33:07 -0500 >To: mad-mission@smoe.org >Subject: MM: Weighing in late on the Evil Gary Gala > > >I think this is all a bit ridiculous. We are all adults (well, mostly) on >this list, and nothing has happened but a little crabbiness, which is Gary's >claim to fame. Good grief--I cannot believe how intolerant the >peace-love-harmony-and-understanding-for-all crowd can be (of which I am >usually one) when faced with a dissenting voice. I look forward to Gary's >posts--they have much more life and spark than most others. Ironic: one of >the "Down with EG crowd >suggested "I don't believe there's such a thing as saying too much..." for >the MM t-shirt slogan. I, for one, am far more offended by the shameless >self-promotion of some (I said SOME, not all--just relax) of the performing >musicians on the list than I am by any of Gary's rants. > >If a rule of this list is that you can't tell the truth about how you feel, >then I don't think I want to be on it. And I don't think Patty would, >either. > >Peace, >LouAnn > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:54:07 -0500 From: "Paquin, John" Subject: MM: RE: Weighing in late on the Evil Gary Gala I agree with LouAnn, don't take yourself (or others) so seriously. IMHO Intolerance is responsible for many of the problems in this country (US). Even when others aren't tolerant of you, how you react to them is your decision and speaks volumes about you. Don't waste your time being angry with Gary, or me, or anyone. If you want to frame a witty retort, go ahead. But don't expect people to say "you're right, I'm a bad person and you're much smarter than me." Expect, instead, something like what Gary said about Big Yaps. Oh, and when Gary's barking, don't put your hand anywhere his mouth as you're likely to come away in need of Bactine. I'm tempted to make some age related quip here just to raise a few hackles, but in the interests of harmony, I'll just back away slowly... - -john -----Original Message----- From: LouAnn Muhm [mailto:lmuhm@unitelc.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 1:33 PM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: Weighing in late on the Evil Gary Gala I think this is all a bit ridiculous. We are all adults (well, mostly) on this list, and nothing has happened but a little crabbiness, which is Gary's claim to fame. Good grief--I cannot believe how intolerant the peace-love-harmony-and-understanding-for-all crowd can be (of which I am usually one) when faced with a dissenting voice. I look forward to Gary's posts--they have much more life and spark than most others. Ironic: one of the "Down with EG crowd suggested "I don't believe there's such a thing as saying too much..." for the MM t-shirt slogan. I, for one, am far more offended by the shameless self-promotion of some (I said SOME, not all--just relax) of the performing musicians on the list than I am by any of Gary's rants. If a rule of this list is that you can't tell the truth about how you feel, then I don't think I want to be on it. And I don't think Patty would, either. Peace, LouAnn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:03:24 EDT From: Scubagrrl@aol.com Subject: MM: MM tee shirt When I posted an email to the list asking for favorite quote ideas, it was strictly out of curiosity and to generate some Patty related posts. Also, any mention I made of a tee shirt is solely for my own personal use. Thus far, it's only an idea and hasn't taken physical form just yet. I believe Paul mentioned something about a MM tee shirt, which I think is a great idea. If I can help with that, I'd be more than willing. I think a list tee shirt would also be more obvious and show more solidarity than a bag of m&ms, although that is a cute idea. Becca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:24:59 MDT From: "Corey Atkins" Subject: Re: MM: Re: Great idea! A Gary Boycott. I'd like, then, to post and officially declare: I vow to boycott responding to Evil Gary. - -CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:48:39 -0400 From: Gary Jacques Subject: MM: Tribute CD I need to know where to send my demo for the tribute CD? I'm doing Patty's Forgiveness with an "Up in Smoke" rap twist. Goes a little like: WE ARE SWIMMING WITH THE SNAKES AT THE BOTTOM OF THE WELL! HEY!! SO SILENT AND PEACEFUL IN THE DARK WHERE WE FELL! YEAH!! BUT WE ARE NOT SNAKES AND WHAT'S MORE WE NEVER WILL BE! YOOO!!!! AND IF WE STAY SWIMMING HERE FOREVER WE WILL NEVER BE FREE! NO!!!! If I do say so myself, I believe this will be the big hit on the tribute CD. A cross-culture bullet to the top baby! Evil Gary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:14:33 MDT From: "Corey Atkins" Subject: MM: The polite thing to do would be... I suppose after posting that mini-rant (what can I say, I was pissed...) the proper thing to do would be to, as many others have been doing lately, make a formal introduction. My name is Corey Atkins, and I'm stuck in Ogden, Utah. That's about 30 minutes north of Salt Lake City, and home of all 2002 Olympic Curling events!!! (yee. haw.) I am a senior theatre major at Weber State University, with an emphasis on writing and directing, and a minor in Spanish. As I mentioned, I do write, and this does include lyrics. I also compose music for those lyrics - but I'm not a good enough piano player to play what's in my head, so it's been a while since I've actually completed a song. (I used to compose semi-prolifically with a computer program, but now I have no computer - except this one at work) I also play reeds, and I just began learning the guitar. I'm quite proud of the severely calloused fingers on my left hand, and after only a week and a half I've learned to play Mary Chapin Carpenter's "Come On, Come On."! (I'm going to learn a Patty song next - an easier one like "One Big Love", probably... -- The MCC song has sentimental significance, so I chose it first...) I'm currently trying to scheme some way into seeing Patty for the first time at the Delta Center with the Dixie Chicks since no tix are left - but I'm not having much luck... Any one have any suggestions? Good to 'meet' y'all. I look forward to any responses. Me alegrarian sus respuestas! - -Corey P.S. - can anyone tell me what the deal is with the screwy way to finger C Major...? Why use the pinky when it seems so mush easier to use the first 3 'big' fingers? (I know...I'll learn the proper finger numbers...one day) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:57:54 -0400 From: "Kunkel, Robert G" Subject: MM: RE: The Evil One The "truth", of course, being Gary's opinions.... Fire away, EG.... > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Jacques [SMTP:jacques@colorite-resins.com] > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 8:24 AM > To: 'mad-mission@smoe.org' > Subject: MM: The Evil One > > I say OFF WITH HIS HEAD! Burn him at the stake! Stone him! Worse yet > censor him! > If they take my tongue, is there anyone that can teach me to sign? > Oh, the pain and shame of it all. > My heart burns with remorse. > Damn my truthful tongue and its never ending need to speak. > Will no one pardon me? > Where are my long distance lesbian lovers when I need them? > Where is Paul? > Someone call Patty and ask her to come to the aid of her most loyal Evil > Gary. > I promise to be good. So help me Cod! > Good Karma Gary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:36:44 -0500 From: rblack1@io.com (Ronda Blacksher) Subject: MM: The Evil One (NPC) Gary, we adore you (much like one adores a pet iguana) ... but we do feel slightly bad for all the newbies you're scaring. Our advice to the new ones is to give as good as you get. As for you Gary, let the new ones breathe before you go showing your spots, will ya? You can be quite startling. Now, back to Lake Travis, summertime and pondering which one of us looks more like Julianna Marguiles whist tanning. Best regards - MORE Patty G! R and W Austin, TX >> Where are my long distance lesbian lovers when I need them? >> Where is Paul? >> Someone call Patty and ask her to come to the aid of her most loyal Evil >> Gary. >> I promise to be good. So help me Cod! >> Good Karma Gary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:16:26 -0400 From: "Donald Henn" Subject: MM: *Rave Review* MMers , Just got back to the 'Burgh & feel compelled to praise the SF show before I pass out for a day or two. Patty was in what professional athletes have called "the zone". Completely focused , & sustaining vocal / emotional intensity from beginning to end. Set List - * solo Carry Me Perfect White Girls Tony Flaming Red Driving Boston Top of the World Racin' in the Streets * Poor Man's House * Forgiveness * One More Girl * Little God Change Blue Sky Makin' Pies Swing Me (Truth # 2) Moses - w/ Natalie Mary - w / Natalie Silver Bell Tomorrow Night The band was also in excellent form , & between them & Patty , made me feel a bit foolish for my criticisms of the opening set for the Chix. What I was hearing there was probably the tentative sounds of an act that hasn't performed together for awhile , looking for a comfortable chemistry in their presentation. The arrangement for "Perfect White Girls" evolved a little more. While I liked the initial arrangement better , the music was tighter & flowed more easily. My criticism of the new arrangement on "Swing Me" might be partly attributed to my getting old , & calcified , & resistant to change. Again , the music flowed more smoothly , & it grew on me a little. The rock 'n roll aspect of the band was very good. I noticed it most on "Boston". I think that Patty threw a few extra lines into "Little God". At the end , when she usually does a little scat , I heard something like "you have to do better than that". If Patty wrote that with someone in mind , I think she's telling him , he's still not s--t. One thing that stands out in my mind is "Blue Sky". The first time I saw Patty was on Letterman , singing "Blue Sky". One of the things about the performance that fascinated me was her seeming dispassionate delivery with very little facial expression & her eyes wandering , as though she were almost bored. At the SF show , it was very different , with her expressions showing the intensity level she sustained throughout the show. I don't think Patty took any energy to her dressing room when she was done.She gave it all to her music in what had to be 100+ degree heat. On to Natalie. I've already complimented Natalie on her voice & singing abilities , but it disturbed me when they finished "Moses" & Patty said she was "The real thing" , & added something like , "The rest of us are just pretenders". What bothered me is that , from where I stood , Patty seemed to believe it. Since then , I've been trying to define what it is about Patty's singing that makes her better than the divas , most notably Mariah & her wannabes. I've thought of plaintive , emotive , & honest. Drawing from honest , when these "belters" belt out their voices , it goes from being part of the song , of the music , to a showcase of their voice. I found out early on that Mariah had a great voice , but it seems that she has to remind us on almost every song she does. She has to run the scales & decibel levels as though it were part of her daily exercise. She doesn't love the music , she loves her voice. Patty's compositions & covers aren't designed to showcase her voice , but to showcase great music. So the technicians & purists can say what they want. They can go listen to Mariah , Britney , & Christina. I guess I'm stuck with Patty , Fiona , & Natalie.(Merchant , that is) This is in no way a criticism of Natalie Maines , but a support of Patty Griffin. Although I like "Moses" better with pure Patty , I think Natalie added something to "Mary" & liked the version. Speaking of pure Patty , I'm glad that we still get to hear band songs & pure Patty songs. If put on the spot to choose , I think I would have to lean to solo. Patty's opening act , Christy (McNichol ?) said Patty got a great review from the Seattle Times. I found it on the web & will 'E' it to the list if it works. (it usually doesn't because of HTML) Unfortunately , they called her first album "Patty Griffin" instead of "Living with Ghosts , so it might be just a slap-dash review. If it doesn't work , I'll type it up in a new post. 'scuse me while I kiss the sky Jimi Hendrix P.S. The new keyboard player is Michael. He sounded pretty good the times "Purple Haze" I noticed him Don ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V4 #179 *********************************