From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V4 #64 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.quackquack.net/patttyg * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Tuesday, February 29 2000 Volume 04 : Number 064 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: NPC: Tracy and Emmylou [John Utrup ] MM: Ripping off Patty [BLUEHEN@webtv.net] Re: MM: Ripping off Patty [runrunrun@dellmail.com] Re: MM: Ripping off Patty ["Kevin B. Pease" ] Re: MM: Ripping off Patty ["Mary Abigail Ardini" ] Re: MM: Ripping off Patty [Julie E Graham ] Re: MM: Ripping off Patty ["Greg Pendleton" ] MM: RE: I NEED HELP WITH A SONG ["Judy Lev" ] Re: MM: Ripping off Patty [Mudhoney49@aol.com] Re: MM: Ripping off Patty [runrunrun@dellmail.com] Re: MM: Ripping off Patty ["Kevin B. Pease" ] MM: Help with a song [Julie E Graham ] Re: MM: Ripping off Patty [UMCaner74@aol.com] Re: MM: Ripping off Patty [BLUEHEN@webtv.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 14:30:45 -0800 (PST) From: John Utrup Subject: MM: NPC: Tracy and Emmylou I am a big Tracy Chapman fan, and for those of you that are Emmylou Harris fans, she appears on Tracy's new album doing guest vocals on one song towards the end of the album. It's something to do with a mother's reaction to the death of her daughter I think. It's really sad. :-) John ===== "My grandfather is hard-of-hearing. He needs to read lips. I don't mind him reading lips, but he uses one of those yellow highlighters." - Brian Kiley __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 18:01:10 -0500 (EST) From: BLUEHEN@webtv.net Subject: MM: Ripping off Patty I was driving down the road when I heard the familiar strains of what I thought was "Tony", when what to my wondering ears should apear, but a completely different song! I forget the name of the band and the song, but it's been getting a lot of airplay lately...I think it says something like "he's everything you want, he's everything you need...", anyone heard it and agree? ~Patty~ http://pattyblee.cjb.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 18:59:58 -0500 (EST) From: runrunrun@dellmail.com Subject: Re: MM: Ripping off Patty Stuff like this angers me - you know that new Melissa Etheridge song? Well I'm a big fan of Joan Osborne, and if you listen to ME's new song, "angels will fall," sing the chorus for Joan's song, "one of us." It'll freak you out. I also heard The Cure doing a song once that sounded an awful lot like "change," with - oh oh's and everything! People can't seem to come up with original stuff lately.......... just my humble opinion, ((*.*))darcie. "i'm so tired, tired of being tired... sure as night will follow day... most things i worry about, never happen anyway.... -tom petty '94 - -------------------------------------------------------- Get your free DellMail address at http://www.dellnet.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:14:00 -0500 From: "Kevin B. Pease" Subject: Re: MM: Ripping off Patty Not to be too over the top, but... There's this song... what's it called... Wiggley Fingers? Something like that. And the opening to that sounds JUST like the opening to Jimi Hendrix's "Foxy Lady"... the nerve of that girl, whatever her name is... Patty something or other. Borrowing & adapting happens... there's only so many notes, and so many ways to put them together. Kevin - -- Kevin Pease kbpease@concentric.net ICQ UIN: 3106063 AOL IM: kbpease " . . . 'the people can go,' he says, 'the furniture stays . . .'" ---(Sarah Slean, "Before Your Time")--- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 00:43:57 GMT From: "Mary Abigail Ardini" Subject: Re: MM: Ripping off Patty Well Said Kevin!!!! > > > Not to be too over the top, but... > > There's this song... what's it called... Wiggley Fingers? Something >like that. And the opening to that sounds JUST like the opening to Jimi >Hendrix's "Foxy Lady"... the nerve of that girl, whatever her name is... >Patty something or other. > > Borrowing & adapting happens... there's only so many notes, and so >many >ways to put them together. > > Kevin > >-- >Kevin Pease kbpease@concentric.net >ICQ UIN: 3106063 AOL IM: kbpease >" . . . 'the people can go,' he says, 'the furniture stays . . .'" > ---(Sarah Slean, "Before Your Time")--- > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:13:34 -0600 (CST) From: Julie E Graham Subject: Re: MM: Ripping off Patty > Stuff like this angers me - you know that new Melissa Etheridge song? Well I'm a big fan of Joan Osborne, and if you listen to ME's new song, "angels will fall," sing the chorus for Joan's song, "one of us." Hi Darcie and M&M's, I'm a big Joan fan too. I read in Entertainment Weekly last month that she's working on her new album with Mitchell Froom. :) Finally! Unless I'm mistaken, both those song's choruses use the most popular chord progression in western music I, IV, V, I. It's no mistake. You could sing "One of Us" or "Angels" to a number of songs. One glaring example would be Savage Garden's "Truly, Madly, Deeply". The entire song is I, IV, V, I repeat! Julie http://homestead.deja.com/user.undietoe/UndertowHomepage.html http://homestead.deja.com/user.undietoe/AlPics.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:45:18 -0500 From: "Greg Pendleton" Subject: Re: MM: Ripping off Patty > Not to be too over the top, but... > > There's this song... what's it called... Wiggley Fingers? Something > like that. And the opening to that sounds JUST like the opening to Jimi > Hendrix's "Foxy Lady"... the nerve of that girl, whatever her name is... > Patty something or other. > > Kevin I asked Patty in her chat a few weeks ago if Jimi Hendrix was an influence - referring, of course, to "Wiggley Fingers". Guess I'm not the only one who heard "Foxy Lady" in there. Can't you just see Garth? :-) Oh yeah, my question never was actually answered. Oh well... Greg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:07:11 -0600 From: "Judy Lev" Subject: MM: RE: I NEED HELP WITH A SONG > So my friend found a tape. no list of the songs or anything. but > there's a song on it that we're obsessed with! we don't know who > its by, maybe someone knows.. > its a male singer and a guitar. the words are something > like.."say sherrie sherrie sherrie won't you dare to......" > or something like that > anyone know it?????????? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:46:00 EST From: Mudhoney49@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Ripping off Patty In a message dated 2/28/00 7:38:36 PM, gpendlet@email.msn.com writes: > >Oh yeah, my question never was actually answered. Oh well... > >Greg The song's called "Everything You Want" by Vertical Horizon. Now getting airplay on top 40 radio and the last time I watched the VH1 Top Ten it had cracked the countdown to make it to #10. I really love this song. The video is horrible, but I like the song a lot. I hear a little of Tony in the beginning. - -hayley ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 21:20:41 -0500 (EST) From: runrunrun@dellmail.com Subject: Re: MM: Ripping off Patty ... > > > > There's this song... what's it called... Wiggley Fingers? Something > > like that. And the opening to that sounds JUST like the opening to Jimi > > Hendrix's "Foxy Lady"... the nerve of that girl, whatever her name is... > > Patty something or other. Whoa! Patty CONQURED that song! DAMN! It's not like she butchered it! I think we all know that Patty is excellent at whatever she decides to put her mind to. And yes, so there are many songs out there done in a G D C (sometimes Em) chord pattern.....but everyone SOMEHOW makes it their own. Patty does this exceptionally well. "wiggley fingers" could not be a better example. So it has the slide like "foxy lady" - so what? Isn't it incredible?! wow! Blows my mind everytime..........especially that scream at the end.......... She has got some soul. ((*.*))darcie. "and the night and i go hand to hand, breast to breast, woman to woman, the night and i go quietly we go softly, screaming all the way........" - pg "night" - -------------------------------------------------------- Get your free DellMail address at http://www.dellnet.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 21:38:22 -0500 From: "Kevin B. Pease" Subject: Re: MM: Ripping off Patty > Whoa! Patty CONQURED that song! DAMN! It's not like she > butchered it! That wasn't quite how I meant it... I was using sarcasm to illustrate a point. :) I guess, sarcasm aside, the point is -- what makes Patty's use of a progression that's remarkably similar to a riff from a Hendrix song any different than Melissa Etheridge using a riff that sounds remarkably similar to a Joan Osborne song? And why does one make you angry, when the other doesn't? There are any number of songs that sound similar to other songs... what makes one person borrowing from a song conquering it, while another person borrowing is butchering it? > "wiggley fingers" could not be a > better example. So it has the slide like "foxy lady" - so what? To use your own argument, sing the lines from the Hendrix song over Patty's song... > Isn't it incredible?! wow! Blows my mind everytime.......... > especially that scream at the end.......... She has got some soul. I agree, and I love Wiggley Fingers... the point was, why is it "ripping off" and "unoriginal" when somebody else does it, but when Patty does it, it's "conquering" the song? :) Seems a rather arbitrary distinction to me... Kevin - -- Kevin Pease kbpease@concentric.net ICQ UIN: 3106063 AOL IM: kbpease " . . . 'the people can go,' he says, 'the furniture stays . . .'" ---(Sarah Slean, "Before Your Time")--- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:32:57 -0600 (CST) From: Julie E Graham Subject: MM: Help with a song > > So my friend found a tape. no list of the songs or anything. but > > there's a song on it that we're obsessed with! we don't know who > > its by, maybe someone knows.. > > its a male singer and a guitar. the words are something > > like.."say sherrie sherrie sherrie won't you dare to......" > > or something like that > > anyone know it?????????? > Good taste! :) That's Martin Sexton singing "Glorybound". I believe that particular song can be found on his "Black Sheep" album and maybe "The American". Julie http://homestead.deja.com/user.undietoe/UndertowHomepage.html http://homestead.deja.com/user.undietoe/AlPics.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 23:26:21 EST From: UMCaner74@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Ripping off Patty Someone once said..(and this quote may not be exactly right..) "A good songwriter comes up with their own songs and ideas,.. but a really great songwriter takes an idea from someone else, and makes it their own" There's no doubt that the beginning of Wiggley Fingers sounds a lot like Foxy Lady, minus the fuzzy sound of the 60's guitar amps of course... However, I think the similarities are just something that happened, and they weren't pre-meditated to immitate Hendrix. Of course, that is just my opinion. You can't truly listen to music and not be influenced by it one way or another. I've heard stories about musicians being given demo tapes by another artist backstage and immediately pitching it in the trash for fear of being accused of copying that person's song. As a musician, I think it would be incredibly difficult to write 100's of songs, and not have some that are in some way influenced by another artist. My point is this.. copying a song would be bad, but most times people get in trouble for copyright infringement if it's really THAT obvious. In my opinion, Wiggley Fingers is a great song.. with a beginning that just happens to remind me of Foxy Lady. Ok, I'll stop babbling now Dave ************************************************************ The Cheap and Evil Girl dances if you're worthy She teases every twirl, she's deviously dirty, yeah And you fantasize about the Ample Milky Thighs you'd like to Sample Vocalize to her Example Deep, illegal sighs - Oh! It's a Scandal ~~ Bree Sharp ~~ ************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 23:41:58 -0500 (EST) From: BLUEHEN@webtv.net Subject: Re: MM: Ripping off Patty That was the only part I was talking about...the beginning guitar riff gets me all excited that I'm finally gonna hear Patty get her due on "big time radio"...and then it turns into something else (although it's a song I like very much as well!) It was just an observation, not a condemnation...God, this list is touchy! :-) ~Patty~ http://pattyblee.cjb.net ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V4 #64 ********************************