From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V4 #57 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.quackquack.net/patttyg * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Tuesday, February 22 2000 Volume 04 : Number 057 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Selling Out [diamondmask@juno.com] MM: Sell Out? [AG ] MM: Re: Sell Out? ["Donald Henn" ] Re: MM: Re: Patty's popularity ["Donald Henn" ] MM: RE: Re: Sell Out? [Gary Jacques ] MM: Re: RE: Re: Sell Out? ["Donald Henn" ] MM: Patty Info ["Donald Henn" ] MM: NPC: Aimee Mann??? [John Utrup ] Re: MM: NPC: Aimee Mann??? [Rachel Bussel ] MM: NPC: Aimee Mann??? [rblack1@io.com (Ronda B.)] MM: RE: NPC: Aimee Mann??? ["Howes, Meghan" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 04:32:48 -0800 From: diamondmask@juno.com Subject: MM: Selling Out When Metallica was accused of selling out, they said yes, we sell out every show we play. john in sumner wa ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 06:17:57 -0800 (PST) From: AG Subject: MM: Sell Out? Ah, not this again. Every music list I have ever been on ends up enmeshed in this debate, and although my two cents is not needed, I shall cast it into the ring. I wish Patty would sell millions of records and make lots of money and know for real how incredible and touching and spiritual her music is. To see her play to a huge audience and rake in the bucks and the adoration would be incredible and satisfying. I don't necessarily think it will happen, but I would never stop lovin' her if she did. This always reminds me of what punks say about a band as soon as they join a major label..."sellout," etc. The thing is, I guess we all just want to be "different", and so we pray that we can be part of an elite or obscure group who is in the know about a special artist like Patty. The only thing I pray is that she get what she deserves. Which is fame, the opportunity to work musically with whomever she would like, and respect...and absolutely, if she wants it, the money that comes with it. She'll be in the business for life, we hope. Should she labor away in relative obscurity just so we don't have to worry that we're listening to the same music as 13 year old Britney Spears fans? (If Patty were that accessible, anyway, which I don't think she is.) Her music is too pure and honest for a lot of people; those who live in the realm of "pop" music often can't handle the frankness of incredible artists like her. Soulful and real music is often supplanted by artists like Mariah Carey and Ricky Martin, feeding us the same old garbage "love/dove", "baby baby" kind of lyrics and carefully groomed by labels to avoid supplanting any gender role expectations or breaking any terribly adventurous ground with their music. Ah, well. I still wish for her every success. Who knows? As long as she never has to sacrifice her ideals or stop making records. I know terrific bands who were on their way to huge success who eventually, due to bad promotion by their labels or other unfortunate circumstance, had to leave music behind because they just couldn't make a living at it. Let's pray that this could not possibly happen here. Go, Patty, go. xxoo *andie* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:24:55 -0500 From: "Donald Henn" Subject: MM: Re: Sell Out? > Ah, not this again. Every music list I have ever been on ends up > enmeshed in this debate, and although my two cents is not needed, I > shall cast it into the ring. > > I wish Patty would sell millions of records and make lots of money > and know for real how incredible and touching and spiritual her music > is. To see her play to a huge audience and rake in the bucks and the > adoration would be incredible and satisfying. > > I don't necessarily think it will happen, but I would never stop > lovin' her if she did. This always reminds me of what punks say about > a band as soon as they join a major label..."sellout," etc. The thing > is, I guess we all just want to be "different", and so we pray that > we can be part of an elite or obscure group who is in the know about > a special artist like Patty. > > The only thing I pray is that she get what she deserves. Which is > fame, the opportunity to work musically with whomever she would like, > and respect...and absolutely, if she wants it, the money that comes > with it. She'll be in the business for life, we hope. Should she > labor away in relative obscurity just so we don't have to worry that > we're listening to the same music as 13 year old Britney Spears fans? > (If Patty were that accessible, anyway, which I don't think she is.) > Her music is too pure and honest for a lot of people; those who live > in the realm of "pop" music often can't handle the frankness of > incredible artists like her. Soulful and real music is often > supplanted by artists like Mariah Carey and Ricky Martin, feeding us > the same old garbage "love/dove", "baby baby" kind of lyrics and > carefully groomed by labels to avoid supplanting any gender role > expectations or breaking any terribly adventurous ground with their > music. > > Ah, well. I still wish for her every success. Who knows? As long as > she never has to sacrifice her ideals or stop making records. I know > terrific bands who were on their way to huge success who eventually, > due to bad promotion by their labels or other unfortunate > circumstance, had to leave music behind because they just couldn't > make a living at it. Let's pray that this could not possibly happen > here. > > Go, Patty, go. > > xxoo > *andie* Very well said. I saw Metallica discuss the "sell-out" phenomena on Behind the Music , & they had a very grounded take on it.Many of their fans yelled sell-out the first time they cut their hair , apparently believing that any artist that doesn't live up to their image of what they should be , & even look like , is giving up their "purity" for money. I don't think Patty has to worry about making a living. My guess is that she'll live comfortably on royalties for her writing if she never sings another song. Thanks for your 2 cents. Please throw the little fish back Patty Griffin & Jay Joyce "Big Daddy" Don ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:56:16 -0500 From: "Donald Henn" Subject: Re: MM: Re: Patty's popularity > MMers , > > Just wanted to comment on this great quote by Tori that > Cristina posted. I hope Patty feels the same way. Tori was > also the one that was quoted about all women PMS-ing at > the same time. Those quotes & the rave notices she has > gotten here might convince me to check her out sometime > soon. > > Don > > > > ********************************************** > > "I have never chased the curve. A lot of people will try > > to dilute you--give your music a nose job or a little bow tie: > > "Don't perspire now; shave under your arms." But I'm a small > > vineyard. And I'm not willing to sacrifice the way I make the > > wine to get into Safeway. You know what I mean?" > > -Tori Amos > > ********************************************** > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:53:53 -0500 From: Gary Jacques Subject: MM: RE: Re: Sell Out? Patty's music will decide which way it goes. Today, more than ever, the possibility of making it big are there. If you have what people want you make it. It is my opinion that people want the biggest bag of pure crap they can buy. This is not good news for anyone wanting Patty to make it big, in that she is the anti-crap. Evil Gary - -----Original Message----- From: Donald Henn [mailto:donhenn@msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 3:25 PM To: mad-mission Subject: MM: Re: Sell Out? > Ah, not this again. Every music list I have ever been on ends up > enmeshed in this debate, and although my two cents is not needed, I > shall cast it into the ring. > > I wish Patty would sell millions of records and make lots of money > and know for real how incredible and touching and spiritual her music > is. To see her play to a huge audience and rake in the bucks and the > adoration would be incredible and satisfying. > > I don't necessarily think it will happen, but I would never stop > lovin' her if she did. This always reminds me of what punks say about > a band as soon as they join a major label..."sellout," etc. The thing > is, I guess we all just want to be "different", and so we pray that > we can be part of an elite or obscure group who is in the know about > a special artist like Patty. > > The only thing I pray is that she get what she deserves. Which is > fame, the opportunity to work musically with whomever she would like, > and respect...and absolutely, if she wants it, the money that comes > with it. She'll be in the business for life, we hope. Should she > labor away in relative obscurity just so we don't have to worry that > we're listening to the same music as 13 year old Britney Spears fans? > (If Patty were that accessible, anyway, which I don't think she is.) > Her music is too pure and honest for a lot of people; those who live > in the realm of "pop" music often can't handle the frankness of > incredible artists like her. Soulful and real music is often > supplanted by artists like Mariah Carey and Ricky Martin, feeding us > the same old garbage "love/dove", "baby baby" kind of lyrics and > carefully groomed by labels to avoid supplanting any gender role > expectations or breaking any terribly adventurous ground with their > music. > > Ah, well. I still wish for her every success. Who knows? As long as > she never has to sacrifice her ideals or stop making records. I know > terrific bands who were on their way to huge success who eventually, > due to bad promotion by their labels or other unfortunate > circumstance, had to leave music behind because they just couldn't > make a living at it. Let's pray that this could not possibly happen > here. > > Go, Patty, go. > > xxoo > *andie* Very well said. I saw Metallica discuss the "sell-out" phenomena on Behind the Music , & they had a very grounded take on it.Many of their fans yelled sell-out the first time they cut their hair , apparently believing that any artist that doesn't live up to their image of what they should be , & even look like , is giving up their "purity" for money. I don't think Patty has to worry about making a living. My guess is that she'll live comfortably on royalties for her writing if she never sings another song. Thanks for your 2 cents. Please throw the little fish back Patty Griffin & Jay Joyce "Big Daddy" Don ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 17:22:08 -0500 From: "Donald Henn" Subject: MM: Re: RE: Re: Sell Out? I thought I saw 666 neatly hidden in the "Living With Ghosts" front cover. I guess it's true. Patty IS the anti-crap. God save us. Worn out and holy Holy as Jesus Me and my red shoes Nothing can please us Patty Griffin "Flaming Red" Don > Patty's music will decide which way it goes. Today, more than ever, the > possibility of making it big are there. If you have what people want > you make it. It is my opinion that people want the biggest bag of pure > crap they can buy. This is not good news for anyone wanting Patty to > make it big, in that she is the anti-crap. > Evil Gary ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 17:36:09 -0500 From: "Donald Henn" Subject: MM: Patty Info MMers , From an Emmylou Harris page- March 29, 2000 - Los Angeles, CA(Bovard auditorium - a free concert in tandem with Take Back the Night - more details to follow in a week or so) - This is the date on Mike's homepage for Patty's show with Emmylou. Also , it indicates that Emmylou taped Austin City Limits with Dave Matthews & Buddy & Julie Miller on Feb 20. This is the show that was originally scheduled for Dec 10 with Patty. I guess she had to bow out because she was in the studio. Bad luck! Don ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:47:44 -0800 (PST) From: John Utrup Subject: MM: NPC: Aimee Mann??? Does anybody know anything about Aimee Mann? They were playing her stuff last night on Felicity (my fav show!) and it sounded really great! She has a new album or something coming out soon or out now. I wanted to know how many albums she has out now. :-) John ===== "My grandfather is hard-of-hearing. He needs to read lips. I don't mind him reading lips, but he uses one of those yellow highlighters." - Brian Kiley __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:59:51 -0800 (PST) From: Rachel Bussel Subject: Re: MM: NPC: Aimee Mann??? She has 3 solo albums plus the Magnolia soundtrack...didn't they play Aimee Mann on LAST week's episode of Felicity (which is getting to be really good, btw). She has a site at http://aimeemann.com She was also the lead singer in the band Til Tuesday. She's touring now but I think it's winding up and mostly sold out... that's the quick version, anyway. rachel - --- John Utrup wrote: > Does anybody know anything about Aimee Mann? They > were playing her > stuff last night on Felicity (my fav show!) and it > sounded really > great! She has a new album or something coming out > soon or out now. I > wanted to know how many albums she has out now. > > :-) John > > ===== > "My grandfather is hard-of-hearing. He > needs to read lips. I don't mind him > reading lips, but he uses one of those > yellow highlighters." > - Brian Kiley > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 17:02:26 -0600 From: rblack1@io.com (Ronda B.) Subject: MM: NPC: Aimee Mann??? I know she wrote stuff (if not all) for the movie 'Magnolia' and has apparently fared well w/critics for it. Hope that helps ... Ronda Austin At 02:47 PM 2/22/00 -0800, John Utrup wrote: >Does anybody know anything about Aimee Mann? They were playing her >stuff last night on Felicity (my fav show!) and it sounded really >great! She has a new album or something coming out soon or out now. I >wanted to know how many albums she has out now. > >:-) John > >===== >"My grandfather is hard-of-hearing. He > needs to read lips. I don't mind him > reading lips, but he uses one of those > yellow highlighters." > - Brian Kiley >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com > > Ronda Blacksher Director of Marketing Eye Clinic of Austin (512) 427-1100 Read about LASIK, INTACS and other refractive surgery at www.eyeclinic2020.com! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 16:05:25 -0700 From: "Howes, Meghan" Subject: MM: RE: NPC: Aimee Mann??? Oh oh oh!! Aimee Mann is perhaps one of the finest songwriters ALIVE right now (aside from Patty, of course)-- Mann was originally with Til Tuesday (of "voices carry" and "coming up close" fame--their last album "everythings different now" was grossly underrated) and then split to do the solo thing. She has since put out two albums (to my knowledge)--"Whatever" and "I'm With Stupid". Her most recent project was recording almost the entire soundtrack for the movie "Magnolia". I suggest anyone give her a listen...she's really truly wonderful, and quite the lyricist. By the by, she's married to another one of those record label anarchists, Michael Penn. Meghan p.s. Rachel--three solo albums?? What was the third?? I missed one. - -----Original Message----- From: John Utrup [mailto:johnyoutrip@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 3:48 PM To: mad-mission Subject: MM: NPC: Aimee Mann??? Does anybody know anything about Aimee Mann? They were playing her stuff last night on Felicity (my fav show!) and it sounded really great! She has a new album or something coming out soon or out now. I wanted to know how many albums she has out now. :-) John ===== "My grandfather is hard-of-hearing. He needs to read lips. I don't mind him reading lips, but he uses one of those yellow highlighters." - Brian Kiley __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V4 #57 ********************************