From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V4 #53 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.quackquack.net/patttyg * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Sunday, February 20 2000 Volume 04 : Number 053 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Question for the Band [Femboty2k@aol.com] MM: Re: Question for the Band ["Kevin B. Pease" ] Re: MM: Re: Patty's popularity [UMCaner74@aol.com] Re: MM: Re: Patty's popularity ["*~Sarah~*" ] Re: MM: Re: Question for the Band [EveryLittleBit@aol.com] Re: MM: Question for the Band [Femboty2k@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 11:36:50 EST From: Femboty2k@aol.com Subject: MM: Question for the Band Question for the Band: Everyone is so interested in Patty becoming "more" popular; is Patty interested in becoming "more" popular. I realize this may be a selfish thing to say, but I don't like "Pop", that's why I love Patty. God, I hope she's never a Diva. Tina Later, Tina ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 12:07:47 -0500 From: "Kevin B. Pease" Subject: MM: Re: Question for the Band > Everyone is so interested in Patty becoming "more" popular; is Patty > interested in becoming "more" popular. I realize this may be a selfish > thing to say, but I don't like "Pop", that's why I love Patty. God, I hope > she's never a Diva. I'm curious about this statement... if, for some reason, 10 million people decided to buy Living With Ghosts & Flaming Red, and believed that Patty was just about the most amazing singer & songwriter they had ever heard... would this be bad? The presumption in this question seems to be that if Patty were to become a popular artist, she would somehow (by virtue of being popular?) become a "pop" musician... I think you're confusing "popularity" with "trite & meaningless art", which doesn't necessarily equate. If Patty gains 10 million dedicated fans, does that suddenly invalidate her music as art, and make her a diva? I will wholeheartedly agree, there's lots of garbage out there that's popular, and there's a lot of pop music that is garbage... but that doesn't mean only garbage is capable of being popular, or that everything that is popular is crap.... This attitude seems to be remarkably common amongst people who listen to "obscure" or "unappreciated" music, and I've never understood it... yes, I'd be mildly disappointed if Patty became so wildly popular that she ended up playing Great Woods up here in Massachusetts, rather than the Iron Horse. But I'd also be wildly happy for her success, and that so many people would be demonstrating their appreciation of her music... To translate this question into another medium (and yes, I understand the music industry is different and that this comparison may not be wholly applicable) -- I'd guess that millions of people visit various art museums around the country each year... does the fact that so many people view & appreciate the art somehow make it less worthy as art? Kevin - -- Kevin Pease kbpease@concentric.net ICQ UIN: 3106063 AOL IM: kbpease " . . . 'the people can go,' he says, 'the furniture stays . . .'" ---(Sarah Slean, "Before Your Time")--- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 15:28:53 EST From: UMCaner74@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Re: Patty's popularity *Warning*.. other than the first paragraph of this post, this entire e-mail is based upon my personal opinion.. :-) I've heard it mentioned by Patty, that the hope and goal of her and her management is for a gradual build-up in her popularity. They don't want her to be an "overnight success". My opinion is that Patty is the greatest and most moving singer/songwriter/musician/liver performer that I have ever listened to. I can't imagine feeling the same about anyone else's music, EVER. Her songs, her lyrics, and her voice do more for me than I ever imagined music could do...that is why I practically follow her all around the east coast, ..and the mid-west at times... I feel though, that Patty's music at this point is too serious to become wildly popular with the music industry as it is today. Let's face it, the vast majority of people don't listen to music the way that we do, and they don't want to be moved the way that Patty moves us. I'm not saying that she couldn't gain a much larger following that she has now. I AM saying that as long as Patty keeps writing the same kind of songs that she does now, that you don't have to worry about her selling out Madison Square Garden! I somehow think that's perfectly fine with her and us, the fans! Dave *********************************** I'm afraid I broke the wings Off that little songbird And she's never gonna fly To the top of the world ~~ Patty Griffin ~~ ************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 15:58:24 -0500 From: "*~Sarah~*" Subject: Re: MM: Re: Patty's popularity > I feel though, that Patty's music at this point is too serious to become > wildly popular with the music industry as it is today. Let's face it, the > vast majority of people don't listen to music the way that we do, and they > don't want to be moved the way that Patty moves us. i totally agree.....i sometimes find it so difficult to understand how most people in our society can get through life without knowing how much MORE there is to music than just what they hear on their local pop station. I have to admit that i am part of the masses that buys into pop culture....it can be fun and light-hearted and catchy. But i am also very in tune with the deeper sides to music and the emotional attachments i have to certain artists for various reasons. My all-time favorite is Tori Amos and i know why she isn't played on the radio (except for a few choice songs) and i like it better that way. I don't think i could take it if Tori had a following like the Backstreet Boys. Her following is certainly large and dedicated, but we are a different kind of breed. We are Ears With Feet. And I believe that Patty would fall under this same category. > I'm not saying that she couldn't gain a much larger following that she has > now. I AM saying that as long as Patty keeps writing the same kind of songs > that she does now, that you don't have to worry about her selling out Madison > Square Garden! I somehow think that's perfectly fine with her and us, the > fans! I agree.....i would be perfectly happy seeing Patty at little clubs or venues that can only hold a small crowd.....that is the best way to see an artist. :) so much more personal! Sarah ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "i think i've seen the look before, yes, it's kind of non-committal it says come hither baby but then he's hard wood to whittle he says it don't mean a thing but still somehow it does he'd like you to join the club that likes to say there's no such thing as love, it's a mad mission..." ---Patty Griffin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 16:31:56 EST From: EveryLittleBit@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Re: Question for the Band In a message dated 2/19/00 12:11:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, kbpease@concentric.net writes: << I'm curious about this statement... if, for some reason, 10 million people decided to buy Living With Ghosts & Flaming Red, and believed that Patty was just about the most amazing singer & songwriter they had ever heard... would this be bad? The presumption in this question seems to be that if Patty were to become a popular artist, she would somehow (by virtue of being popular?) become a "pop" musician... I think you're confusing "popularity" with "trite & meaningless art", which doesn't necessarily equate. If Patty gains 10 million dedicated fans, does that suddenly invalidate her music as art, and make her a diva? >> Yes, I think this would be bad. I don't necessarily think Patty would change- I have a lot of faith in her- but it would certainly lesson our exposure to her. No more 300 seat venues, no more talking to her before she boards the tour bus, no more letters from the band. To me the worst part of an artist becoming popular is that the old fans lose the intimacy they were used to at shows. I went from seeing Jewel play at a mall and being front row at every show she did, because they were in small GA venues, to being in the back row of a huge auditorium where I could barely see her. I went from having her look down in the middle of the show at me and saying, "How do you know all the words to this?" or "Don't I know you?" to being so far away she couldn't even hear my requests if I screamed... but I'd have to compete with the 100 screaming 15 year olds thinking she needs to know they "looove" her. I'd be happy for Patty if she got big, but I'd be sad for us, for what we'd lose. I don't think she's in it for the money, anyway. Does anyone? Rachel :D ************************************************** * There's no getting out of your own way...* * -Patty Griffin * * The Patty Griffin Lyrics Archive * ************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 16:54:30 EST From: Femboty2k@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Question for the Band #1 My question was for the Band. #2 Considering Patty Griffin's talent - I believe that her popularity is completely IN her control, which gives me that much more respect for her as an artist. I'm curious to hear her views. Tina The Orginal Question: << Everyone is so interested in Patty becoming "more" popular; is Patty interested in becoming "more" popular? I realize this may be a selfish thing to say, but I don't like "Pop", that's why I love Patty. God, I hope she's never a Diva. Tina >> >> Later, Tina ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V4 #53 ********************************