From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V4 #39 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.quackquack.net/patttyg * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Tuesday, February 8 2000 Volume 04 : Number 039 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Fwd: MM: Age/Patty's most moving songs [AG ] MM: Lebanese? ["Amy Emerman" ] Re: MM: moving patty song [Willie Marion ] MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V4 #38--totally confused [LMYERS2HOU@aol.com] Re: MM:Patty chat [EveryLittleBit@aol.com] MM: Sessions website [EveryLittleBit@aol.com] MM: Lesbian Music/Melissa Etheridge [L & C Israelson ] MM: I stand entirely corrected. [AG ] Re: MM: Lesbian Music/Melissa Etheridge [AG ] MM: RE: I stand entirely corrected. [Gary Jacques Subject: Fwd: MM: Age/Patty's most moving songs See, this was the problem when I sat down to post and try to explain about my honeymoon by summing it all up in one song. Brad and I had that double-sided Patty tape, and we'd just listen to both albums, back to back, sometimes singing along together loudly, sometimes quietly staring out the window at the incredible red-rock scenery...I'm not kidding, the entire album, one followed by the other and back to the first again, over and over. If it weren't for The Posies, Radiohead, and John Hiatt, I think all we would have listened to during our entire trip was Patty! I can, if I sit still, cry at every one of her songs, but "Sweet Lorraine" and "Poor Man's House" get me because they sing out to the little girl I was - how I grew up, and the things I want to forgive my family for, and the wounds I still feel sometimes. "Let Him Fly" is so graceful and enduring in the face of personal chaos, you can't help but admire the woman all the more. And "Goodbye" - well, I can't hear it without shedding a tear for my incredibly rad friend Summer who died suddenly of cancer "a couple years..." ago at age 21. I could go on and on...every song... and she also sings: "And the planes keep flying right over our heads no matter how loud we shout...'Hey!!!!'/And we keep waving and waving our arms but we're all tired out..." and I lose it. Every time. Whenever I feel lost, I like to let Patty do the talking. GOD I LOVE HER. And as for "lesbian" music, I think it's just something people say about chicks with guitars. After all, she references her subject matter in her 'love' songs as "...boy," or some other male qualifier, over and again. How can that be lesbian music? When I think of something that is called "lesbian music" the only thing that comes to mind is Melissa Etheridge. Echh. xoox *andie* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 22:48:20 PST From: "Amy Emerman" Subject: MM: Lebanese? Lesbian music is great--at least the 1970's stuff I used to listen to--and there's some great lesbian music out there today, although I don't know if it should go under the bracket of "lesbian music" when it's so worldly and appropriate for everyone, like the indigo girls for example, I call that "human music". Patty is straight (not that I'm an expert on sexuality, but she has been dating a man and was married, and no person can be expected to be a 100% and I'm sure a lot of lesbians would be very happy if Patty were gay, but I don't think she is. She is a passionate and powerful, amazing, sweet and fiery woman, but like someone said, that doesn't have to make her lesbian. In fact, it doesn't. So, for Patty's music to be called "LEsbian music" is a bit misleading. Is Bruce Springsteen's music lesbian music? Not unless you want it to be. Maybe if two lesbians are making love to it then it is. Anyhoo, whatever....... I don't think the music itself needs to be gay or straight...maybe Patty's music is bi...any good music should have both masculine and feminine, ying and yang elements, right? Patty's voice can be a whisper or a scream, a fragile yelp or a powerful wail, and it sound beautiful no matter what she does. Whether her music is Chinese, Lebanese, Lesbian, Black, Mexican, or none or all of the above--I think it's kinda human. A. :-) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 20:21:57 -0800 (PST) From: Willie Marion Subject: Re: MM: moving patty song - --0-1957747793-949983717=:29155 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I would have to say my favorite would have to be Every Little Bit for personal reasons it makes me want to cry and dance all at once and i must say the vocals ore astounding! Willie:} John Utrup wrote: My favorite is now and probably will always be Nobody Crying (Wishing Well) She wants to hurt the guy so much in the song but only comes off more hurt herself. It so sad! :-) John ===== "My grandfather is hard-of-hearing. He needs to read lips. I don't mind him reading lips, but he uses one of those yellow highlighters." - - Brian Kiley __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com I'm a slow-dying flower In the frost-killing hour Sweet turning sour and untouchable I need the darkness, the sweetness, the sadness, the weakness Oh I need this I need a lullaby, a kiss goodnight, angel, sweet love of my life Oh I need this -from Ophelia by Natalie Merchant ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 07:37:04 EST From: LMYERS2HOU@aol.com Subject: MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V4 #38--totally confused In a message dated 2/8/00 12:46:22 AM Central Standard Time, owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org writes: << Just wondering, I'm on the Sessions site and I clicked on "transcript of chat", and there is a transcript of a chat with Patty that says it's from February 2, 2000. >> I just finished reading the transcript, and am totally confused about something that everyone else seems to know. Who or what is Ben Harper? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 08:06:12 EST From: EveryLittleBit@aol.com Subject: Re: MM:Patty chat Heh... funny :) As far as I can tell, that site is one big typo :). The pictures are from the Sessions taping, and the interview reel is from the interview they do during each show, so neither of those are really an online chat. And considering in the chat everyone keeps referring to Patty (including Patty herself) as Ben Harper, I'm thinking someone at the site messed up big time. It's really funny, though. Look: << SonySessions: Thank you for joining us. We are very pleased and fortunate to be joined by Ben Harper for the next hour. Be sure to check out www.Sessions54.com to find out about Ben 's upcoming appearance on Sessions at West 54th and his latest release, "Welcome To The Real World." Ben is now available to take your questions and comments. Welcome Ben! Patty Griffin: Hello everybody. This is Ben here. Thank you for taking the time to come online and talk tonight. And Happy New Year! >> << nancysbrains: What's in your CD player right now? Patty Griffin: Let me look! "Metallica," the black album. >> << guest-invisibl4: When all is said and done, what is the one goal you'd like to achieve before you're done on this planet? Patty Griffin: I'd like to shake hands with Dr. Evil, and pet Mr. Bigglesworth. >> << charla: What are some of your interests outside of music? Patty Griffin: I'm a big Laker fan, and it's kind of hard right now, because we are going through a slump. >> Definitely good for a laugh :) Go check it out Sessions at West 54th - Patty Griffin ******************************************** *I wouldn't know her ass * * From a deep hole in the ground * *Lined with bushes and a fence * * That the neighbors placed around * *Make a child with me * * The Patty Griffin Lyrics Archive * ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 08:12:26 EST From: EveryLittleBit@aol.com Subject: MM: Sessions website That site that the fake chat came from has some other goodies too. You can get Patty Sessions wallpaper for Mac or PC. There's also audio & video of the actual performance, pictures, and a link that says "artist's official site" that brings you to something called "Oh Boy Records". Is this Patty's new label? I couldn't quite figure out the relationship. Anyway... enjoy :) Rachel :D ******************************************** *I wouldn't know her ass * * From a deep hole in the ground * *Lined with bushes and a fence * * That the neighbors placed around * *Make a child with me * * The Patty Griffin Lyrics Archive * ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 09:06:33 -0800 From: L & C Israelson Subject: MM: Lesbian Music/Melissa Etheridge Hey, leave Melissa alone! :P I still think that "Bring Me Some Water" is one of the finest "anti-love" songs ever (although my personal favorite in that "genre" is Dylan's "Positively 4th Street"). It makes no never-mind to me whether Melissa is singing about men or women. Remember, I held my tongue when others professed their admiration for the musical stylings of Barry Manilow. ;) Larry I in LA AG wrote: > When I think of something that is called "lesbian music" the only > thing that comes to mind is Melissa Etheridge. Echh. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 09:38:15 -0800 (PST) From: Rachel Bussel Subject: MM: moving Patty songs/ebay Hi everyone... I've really enjoyed this discussion of people's fave/moving Patty songs. I would have to say all the first 5 songs off Living With Ghosts always get to me, they give me shivers and I play them over and over again. "Let Him Fly" is definitely one that means a lot to me and I know it's touched other people as well, it's just so real, and has helped me and my friends get over some tough times. Also these lines: By this I am able in all of my travels To make these memories quit But tonight I clearly recall every little bit And I always find "Mad Mission" really inspiring. Also, I'm selling a Patty tape on ebay that I found when going through the ridiculously large amount of tapes and CDs I didn't even know I owned. It's at: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=255881910 It's a promo tape with selections from Flaming Red and Patty interviews and such. :) Rachel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 13:36:18 -0800 (PST) From: AG Subject: MM: I stand entirely corrected. I was soundly admonished, and rightly so, by a member of our list...read on.... My sincere apology follows. =D > Your staunch "defense" of Patty's heterosexuality and then this > leaves a bad > taste (no pun) in the mouth of this lesbian. Please be careful how > you say > what you say. We on the other team aren't privy to artists we can > call > "straight" and then sneer at. > > > >When I think of something that is called "lesbian music" the only > >thing that comes to mind is Melissa Etheridge. Echh. > > > >xoox > >*andie* > > > OOPS. All apologies. I didn't mean to be offensive AT ALL. I am as sorry as heck. I just meant, hell, how can anyone say "lesbian music" (again, whatever that means) about songs where she sings to the men she's loved? It honestly doesn't matter, of course, since she could sing about whatever the hell she wants and it would be enthralling, and I could give a rat's ass whether she has relationships with men, women, or both or neither. THe words apply to all sorts of love, of course, but it just seems that a lot of folks knee-jerk about a girl with a strong voice and a geetar. I should have qualified what I said, since I just don't like Ms. etheridge cause it's just not a music style that appeals to me. Not a THING to do with her lesbian orientation - in fact, I applaud the living hell out of her for not being one single little tiny bit apologetic about it, nor living in the closet while in the public eye. Thanks for giving me my well-deserved lashes on this one. If it weren't bad enough, I'm a very out, very politically active BiF - you'd think I'd be a little more aware, sensitive, and just plain THOUGHTFUL before I speak about lesbian issues at all. *sigh* shouldn't email from work at 4 AM. Smiles and love, *andie* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 13:38:42 -0800 (PST) From: AG Subject: Re: MM: Lesbian Music/Melissa Etheridge Whew! I am dumb. I shouldn't cap on Melissa since I shoulda known that somewhere a fan of hers was gonna read it, and I hate musical elitist BS. Don't listen to me, kids! I'm just a dumb punk girl from San Franfreakshow! All music is worthy, in some way, if at least one person cares about it. A musician should know this *blush* so I'm going to go down and get my bass and learn the tabs to a Melissa Etheridge song as a penance. xoxox *andie* - --- L & C Israelson wrote: > Hey, leave Melissa alone! :P I still think that "Bring Me Some > Water" > is one of the finest "anti-love" songs ever (although my personal > favorite in that "genre" is Dylan's "Positively 4th Street"). It > makes > no never-mind to me whether Melissa is singing about men or women. > > Remember, I held my tongue when others professed their admiration > for > the musical stylings of Barry Manilow. ;) > > Larry I in LA > > AG wrote: > > When I think of something that is called "lesbian music" the only > > thing that comes to mind is Melissa Etheridge. Echh. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 16:30:42 -0500 From: Gary Jacques Subject: MM: RE: I stand entirely corrected. I don't think it was at all rightly so..for God sake stand up for yourself..God forbid you speak your mind..This is still America as much as some folks would have you think otherwise..I think those who attack you are a bunch of tight assed liberals. Nothing worse! Evil Gary - -----Original Message----- From: AG [mailto:actiongrl@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 4:36 PM To: actiongrl@yahoo.com Cc: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: I stand entirely corrected. I was soundly admonished, and rightly so, by a member of our list...read on.... My sincere apology follows. =D > Your staunch "defense" of Patty's heterosexuality and then this > leaves a bad > taste (no pun) in the mouth of this lesbian. Please be careful how > you say > what you say. We on the other team aren't privy to artists we can > call > "straight" and then sneer at. > > > >When I think of something that is called "lesbian music" the only > >thing that comes to mind is Melissa Etheridge. Echh. > > > >xoox > >*andie* > > > OOPS. All apologies. I didn't mean to be offensive AT ALL. I am as sorry as heck. I just meant, hell, how can anyone say "lesbian music" (again, whatever that means) about songs where she sings to the men she's loved? It honestly doesn't matter, of course, since she could sing about whatever the hell she wants and it would be enthralling, and I could give a rat's ass whether she has relationships with men, women, or both or neither. THe words apply to all sorts of love, of course, but it just seems that a lot of folks knee-jerk about a girl with a strong voice and a geetar. I should have qualified what I said, since I just don't like Ms. etheridge cause it's just not a music style that appeals to me. Not a THING to do with her lesbian orientation - in fact, I applaud the living hell out of her for not being one single little tiny bit apologetic about it, nor living in the closet while in the public eye. Thanks for giving me my well-deserved lashes on this one. If it weren't bad enough, I'm a very out, very politically active BiF - you'd think I'd be a little more aware, sensitive, and just plain THOUGHTFUL before I speak about lesbian issues at all. *sigh* shouldn't email from work at 4 AM. Smiles and love, *andie* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 17:05:59 EST From: Femboty2k@aol.com Subject: Fwd: MM:Patty chat - --part1_45.d109fd.25d1ed47_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Re: Sessions - Patty Chat - February 2, 2000 Okay, you did read that right - I'm confused, who is Ben Harper. Later, Tina - --part1_45.d109fd.25d1ed47_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd04.mx.aol.com (rly-zd04.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.228]) by air-zd05.mail.aol.com (v67_b1.24) with ESMTP; Tue, 08 Feb 2000 00:46:15 1900 Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (ne.mediaone.net [24.128.1.70]) by rly-zd04.mx.aol.com (v67_b1.24) with ESMTP; Tue, 08 Feb 2000 00:46:04 -0500 Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [24.30.216.55]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA17644; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 00:46:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id AAA22735; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 00:44:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 8 Feb 2000 00:44:48 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id AAA22726 for mad-mission-outgoing; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 00:44:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with ESMTP id AAA22722 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 00:44:37 -0500 (EST) From: Zelly72@aol.com Received: from Zelly72@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id p.46.1551570 (4197) for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 00:44:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <46.1551570.25d10723@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 00:44:03 EST Subject: MM:Patty chat To: mad-mission@smoe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 39 Sender: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Just wondering, I'm on the Sessions site and I clicked on "transcript of chat", and there is a transcript of a chat with Patty that says it's from February 2, 2000. So, this is brand new? Did anyone know about this? It does still say she's having the other one on the 9th, just thought it was kind of weird that she's already done one, and is doing another so soon. Sessions at West 54th - Patty Griffin This should, hopefully, bring you to the chat transcript. Thanks, Terri - --part1_45.d109fd.25d1ed47_boundary-- ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V4 #39 ********************************