From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V4 #37 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.quackquack.net/patttyg * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Monday, February 7 2000 Volume 04 : Number 037 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Age/Patty's most moving songs [L & C Israelson ] Re: MM: The whole gay thing.... [EMSTER68@aol.com] MM: RE: mad-mission-digest V4 #35 ["Simmons, Ross" ] Fwd: MM: moving patty song(s) [Aslanswake@aol.com] MM: moving patty song [John Utrup ] MM: songs and stuff ["C. Minter" ] Re: MM: Tearful, soulful song [stephenu@webtv.net (Stephen Underwood)] MM: Re: moving patty song(s) ["Greg Pendleton" ] MM: NPG: Free Dar Williams Concert in PA ["Josh 'schwa' Tropp" Subject: MM: Age/Patty's most moving songs Somewhere in my gradual transition to adult/husband/father/breadwinner, I lost the patience to try out "unknown" musicians because it was "too time-consuming." Instead, I began to purchase CDs because of one or two songs I'd heard on the radio, and then play just those familiar songs over and over until I didn't care if I ever listened to them again. This was quite a contrast from my youthful vinyl days, when I would play a new album all the way through multiple times and often grow to love the "supporting" tracks even more than the "hits." Considering the airplay-driven rut I was in, it's a miracle that LWG ever found its way into my collection. Luckily for me, however, one now-defunct L.A. FM station had "Every Little Bit" on its playlist, and I stumbled across it on that station's LAST DAY on the air! (I've since been told that the station in question, KSCA, played the song quite a bit, but apparently only when I was tuned to ball games or traffic reports.) Even then, I almost blew it, listening solely to "ELB" for the first several weeks I owned LWG. It wasn't until I had to pull an all-nighter at a client's office in St. Louis that I finally let the damn thing play from beginning to end, and I ultimately left it in the player for five straight hours. I am thrilled by the occasional discovery of a song so beautiful that it gives me a physical sensation, a chill if you will. It is a precious and, until that night, exceedingly rare thing. Over and over again, however, the melodies and lyrics and voice of Patty Griffin had me transfixed. "ELB" was close to wearing out its welcome, but there was a procession of worthy successors: "Moses," "Mad Mission," "Poor Man's House," "Sweet Lorraine," "You Are Not Alone." In one night, LWG went from just another CD to indispensable, and soon afterward I was typing the words "Patty Griffin" into a search engine and finding the MM list. Although I consider Flaming Red a far more uneven album, "Mary" may be the most transcendent song I have ever heard, and "Tony" and "Goodbye" are also incredibly moving. Plus, on the first Rarities tape Patty has UNRELEASED (!) material that most songwriters would be overjoyed to call their finest work, especially "Long Road (Ride?) Home" and "We Are Water." On top of that, she can take a song like Springsteen's "Stolen Car," even though it's written from a man's point of view, and make it absolutely shattering. Perhaps the greatest evidence of the power of Patty Griffin, however, is that my fellow list members, in answering the same question, have come up with at least a dozen other songs that I didn't even mention. Larry I in LA, age 39 (I was tempted to add "and not in Jack Benny years, either," but admitting that I know who Jack Benny is probably wouldn't strengthen my case!) :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 07:29:02 -0500 From: Gary Jacques Subject: RE: Fwd: MM: Age Forgiveness..that was easy! Evil Gary - -----Original Message----- From: Liz Hayes [mailto:nivabef@one.net] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 5:08 PM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: Re: Fwd: MM: Age At 04:54 PM 2/6/00 -0500, Aslanswake@aol.com wrote: >HI everyone...I was wondering, what song of Patty's is everyone most moved >by, and why? > Tony used to make me cry. Just because it's so sad. And it's one of those songs I wish I had written. Liz (age 20) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:20:50 EST From: EMSTER68@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: The whole gay thing.... Oh no....quite a huge gay following here in NY! Including me! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 09:16:06 -0600 From: "Simmons, Ross" Subject: MM: RE: mad-mission-digest V4 #35 Is all this garbage really necessary to include in your responses? - - --part1_96.bbddbc.25cf46d1_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: > Received: from rly-zd03.mx.aol.com (rly-zd03.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.227]) by air-zd05.mail.aol.com (v67_b1.21) with ESMTP; Sun, 06 Feb 2000 16:46:36 -0500 Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (ne.mediaone.net [24.128.1.70]) by rly-zd03.mx.aol.com (v67_b1.21) with ESMTP; Sun, 06 Feb 2000 16:46:24 * 0500 Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [24.30.216.55]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA10493; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 16:46:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost ) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id QAA26713; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 16:44:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 6 Feb 2000 16:44:40 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost ) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id QAA26704 for mad-mission-outgoing; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 16:44:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with ESMTP id QAA26700 for >; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 16:44:34 -0500 (EST) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 07:59:03 PST From: "Nancy Micciulla" Subject: MM: moving patty song(s) there is no way for me to pick just one patty song that moves me. i was reading the posts, and just when i thought i had decided, someone reminded me of another song i hadn't thought of. thanks a lot, guys :-). and someone mentioned that it is the entire album that moves them and that's why they love patty so much. . .i'm gonna have to agree there. but there are a few songs that get me every single time i hear them. nobody's crying (which i haven't heard live, but i know i'd burst into tears if i ever got that chance), goodbye (which i actually blasted in my personal cd player last night, for no really good reason. . .but i just couldn't get it loud enough or deep enough in me), and peter pan. . .i know there's been some discussion about peter pan being over-produced and stuff, but in my opinion, it's perfect. and it kind of matched a situation in my life. so anywho, now that i've written a bunch more than i intended to (i have class soon -- theatre history II -- fun fun fun), i should go. a bagel and cream cheese is calling my name :-). have a great day everyone. nancy p.s. see, i knew i couldn't stop writing. . .i have to add one or two more. . .you are not alone, and i can't believe i forgot this one. . .let him fly. p.p.s does anyone else on this list listen to billy mann? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 11:12:19 EST From: Aslanswake@aol.com Subject: Fwd: MM: moving patty song(s) - --part1_75.16c0db9.25d048e3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well, now for mine..I had to think about it for a long time..and though I agree with the fact that her whole "albums" are quite moving in and of themselves...not alone and Forgiveness, are my two favorites... Forgiveness reminds me of my life these past few months ( or has it been years) of my marriage..and how important forgiveness in any relationship.You cannot survive and remain happy unless forgiveness prevails, and it is probably the hardest things to give when youve been hurt, but it is imperitive...and Patty says it all to well." Evrybody needs a little forgiveness" we all need to live by those words. BYe bye Jaime B - --part1_75.16c0db9.25d048e3_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc05.mx.aol.com (rly-zc05.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.5]) by air-zc04.mail.aol.com (v67_b1.21) with ESMTP; Mon, 07 Feb 2000 11:02:15 -0500 Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (ne.mediaone.net [24.128.1.70]) by rly-zc05.mx.aol.com (v67_b1.21) with ESMTP; Mon, 07 Feb 2000 11:01:51 -0500 Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [24.30.216.55]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA00400; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 11:01:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id KAA02180; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:59:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:59:44 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id KAA02171 for mad-mission-outgoing; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:59:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (f155.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.155]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with SMTP id KAA02167 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:59:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 36672 invoked by uid 0); 7 Feb 2000 15:59:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20000207155903.36671.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 144.80.169.111 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 07 Feb 2000 07:59:03 PST X-Originating-IP: [144.80.169.111] From: "Nancy Micciulla" To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: moving patty song(s) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 07:59:03 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit there is no way for me to pick just one patty song that moves me. i was reading the posts, and just when i thought i had decided, someone reminded me of another song i hadn't thought of. thanks a lot, guys :-). and someone mentioned that it is the entire album that moves them and that's why they love patty so much. . .i'm gonna have to agree there. but there are a few songs that get me every single time i hear them. nobody's crying (which i haven't heard live, but i know i'd burst into tears if i ever got that chance), goodbye (which i actually blasted in my personal cd player last night, for no really good reason. . .but i just couldn't get it loud enough or deep enough in me), and peter pan. . .i know there's been some discussion about peter pan being over-produced and stuff, but in my opinion, it's perfect. and it kind of matched a situation in my life. so anywho, now that i've written a bunch more than i intended to (i have class soon -- theatre history II -- fun fun fun), i should go. a bagel and cream cheese is calling my name :-). have a great day everyone. nancy p.s. see, i knew i couldn't stop writing. . .i have to add one or two more. . .you are not alone, and i can't believe i forgot this one. . .let him fly. p.p.s does anyone else on this list listen to billy mann? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --part1_75.16c0db9.25d048e3_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 08:22:57 -0800 (PST) From: John Utrup Subject: MM: moving patty song My favorite is now and probably will always be Nobody Crying (Wishing Well) She wants to hurt the guy so much in the song but only comes off more hurt herself. It so sad! :-) John ===== "My grandfather is hard-of-hearing. He needs to read lips. I don't mind him reading lips, but he uses one of those yellow highlighters." - Brian Kiley __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 12:18:32 -0600 From: "C. Minter" Subject: MM: songs and stuff Hey all, Gosh, I haven't written to this list so long. I hope I remember how to do it! Well, the Patty songs that move me the most are: Nobody's Crying ("and we're walking around and around this...trail of tears") and Every Little Bit (her guitar is so SASSY!). As far as the "Lesbian" label goes: what exactly constitutes music to be "lesbian"? If I listen to it and I'm not gay does that make me a "wanna be"? Help! I'm confused. And on a non-Patty note (the purists can stop reading now!): Is anyone else completely terrified of the upcoming presidential election? Why the hell won't Michael Moore run for president? -Cristina ********************************************** "We love you very much. Even if you were Jeffrey Dahmer we would still love you." - "Flirting With Disaster" ********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 15:39:59 -0500 (EST) From: stephenu@webtv.net (Stephen Underwood) Subject: Re: MM: Tearful, soulful song Goodbye is definetly the song that moves me the most,and it's my favorite. Sender: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Today my heart is big and sore Trying to push right through my skin Won't see you anymore I guess that's finally sinking in Those lines get me every time Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 19:51:24 -0500 From: "Greg Pendleton" Subject: MM: Re: moving patty song(s) I suspect we could ask this question once a month and each of us would have different responses. Great question! Greg - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Micciulla" To: Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 10:59 AM Subject: MM: moving patty song(s) > there is no way for me to pick just one patty song that moves me. i was > reading the posts, and just when i thought i had decided, someone reminded > me of another song i hadn't thought of. thanks a lot, guys :-). and > someone mentioned that it is the entire album that moves them and that's why > they love patty so much. . .i'm gonna have to agree there. but there are a > few songs that get me every single time i hear them. nobody's crying (which > i haven't heard live, but i know i'd burst into tears if i ever got that > chance), goodbye (which i actually blasted in my personal cd player last > night, for no really good reason. . .but i just couldn't get it loud enough > or deep enough in me), and peter pan. . .i know there's been some discussion > about peter pan being over-produced and stuff, but in my opinion, it's > perfect. and it kind of matched a situation in my life. so anywho, now > that i've written a bunch more than i intended to (i have class soon -- > theatre history II -- fun fun fun), i should go. a bagel and cream cheese > is calling my name :-). have a great day everyone. > > nancy > > p.s. see, i knew i couldn't stop writing. . .i have to add one or two more. > . .you are not alone, and i can't believe i forgot this one. . .let him fly. > > p.p.s does anyone else on this list listen to billy mann? > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 19:59:16 -0500 From: "Josh 'schwa' Tropp" Subject: MM: NPG: Free Dar Williams Concert in PA Sorry for the non-Patty posting, but I thought there might be some crossover Dar Williams fans on the list... This Friday, 2/11, at 9 PM there will be a FREE Dar Williams concert at Swarthmore College (in lovely Swarthmore, PA--about 20 minutes south of Philly). If anyone (ie band members) would like to pass the message on to Ms. Griffin, she is welcome to show up and more than welcome to perform with Dar (Patty: here's your chance for an impromtu duet if you're in the neighborhood :) The show is open to the public (though students get first shot at the better seats). If you're interested and/or have any questions, e-mail me at jtropp1@swarthmore.edu (so this doesn't clog up the Mad Mission mailboxes any more). Hope to see some of you there! (I'm the guy with the haircut his girlfriend obviously gave him yesterday in her first attempt and a sort of Shakespeare In Love -esque goatee. And I'm the only guy on this small campus who goes by 'schwa'.) And I'm just shy of 21. And I thought I drank but turns out I haven't had time recently to even pour myself a glass! - --Josh (schwa) ************************************************* * "Ninety-nine percent of the people in the world are fools * * and the rest of us are in great danger of contagion." * * --Thornton Wilder * ************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 18:35:36 -0800 From: L & C Israelson Subject: Re: MM: Tearful, soulful song/Goodbye For me, it's the following: You can't make somebody see With the simple words you say All the beauty from within Sometimes they just look away Larry I in LA Stephen Underwood wrote: > > Goodbye is definetly the song that moves me the most,and it's my > favorite. > > Today my heart is big and sore > Trying to push right through my skin > Won't see you anymore > I guess that's finally sinking in > > Those lines get me every time ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V4 #37 ********************************