From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V3 #319 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Wednesday, November 10 1999 Volume 03 : Number 319 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: drugs and stuff ["Nancy Micciulla" ] MM: new Patty cds [Julie E Graham ] MM: NPC: Drugs, Tori etc. [rblack1@io.com (Ronda B.)] MM: NPC: Drugs, Tori etc. [Fab DC gal ] Re: MM: new Patty cds [Seiji64@aol.com] Re: MM: NPC: Drugs, Tori etc. [rblack1@io.com (Ronda B.)] Re: MM: NPC: Drugs, Tori etc. [Femboty2k@aol.com] MM: Any word on RARITIES 2? [John Utrup ] MM: crack rock sold Here!!! ["Paul Russell" ] MM: Just Say Patty! ["Greg Pendleton" ] MM: I need two Tickets!!! [COOLTUNES5@aol.com] Re: MM: drugs and stuff [Rudgetty@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 05:41:09 PST From: "Nancy Micciulla" Subject: MM: drugs and stuff okay. . . first, let me start by saying that i'm not trying to start a flame war or anything like that. . .i just happen to disagree with some comments, and i'm throwing in my opinion. okay? okay. here goes. the last couple of posts i read had some similar comments about artists and drug use, and one said "every artist who's really expressed themselves successfully in an abstract way has smoked or ingested something hallucinogenic at one time or another." (was it john?) it's probably pretty close to the truth. however, i know a few artists who have never touched drugs, including myself. in reference to cristina's post (her comment about alcohol), yes, i drink. i go to one of the biggest party schools in my state. but i've never used it when i'm writing to try to bring out creativity or anything like that. and my friend scott (an amazingly talented singer songwriter) is straight edge, so he's never done anything at all. i don't know what i'm trying to say. like i said, i'm not trying to start any fights here. . .just wanted to let you guys know that there are probably a lot of artists who haven't done anything. but then again, john's comment was about successful artists. . .scott and i are still sitting here in indiana, pennsylvania. i think i've heard a lot of those vh-1 behind the scenes things where artists say that fame gets to them and they start on the drugs and stuff. i don't know. to each their own. i'm not agreeing nor disagreeing with drug use. i just know that it's something i probably won't be doing tomorrow night. ya know? and perhaps this is my way of convincing myself that i can be creative without it. thanks for reading. nancy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 08:02:30 -0600 (CST) From: Julie E Graham Subject: MM: new Patty cds On a lighter note, I wanted to meake sure everyone knows that the "Anywhere but Here" soundtrack with a new Patty song, "Twisted Road", came out last Tuesday. It's pretty nifty, but it definitly leans toward her FR sound (so not acoustic). Also, KMTT recently released On the Mountain 5. These are always ngreat cds, but this one includes a *fabulous* acoustic version of "Wiggly Fingers". You can order it from www.starbucks.com . Unfortunatly, with postage and tax, it's $22. If you are only going to buy one of these cds, might I humbly suggest "On the Mountain"? These cds sell out very quickly, and soon go for quite a bit of dough on ebay. Plus, it's a much better listen all the way through than AWBH. Julie Are you in the 'Tow? http://homestead.deja.com/user.undietoe/UndertowHomepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:18:04 -0600 From: rblack1@io.com (Ronda B.) Subject: MM: NPC: Drugs, Tori etc. Cristina/Wendy/All -- For what it's worth, I think Tori very likely meant coke and don't have trouble thinking she partakes (based on interviews/performances I've seen). Besides, what would the critical difference be there? Mind-altering substances are mind-altering substances. I know some would argue degrees of disability, but I don't buy it in this context. The point is still that we're not seeing Tori. We're seeing Tori plus substance, whether that be pot, crank, heroin or whatever. And, I still don't see a direct link to young girls coking it up because Tori does. They're coking it up because it's available and they're in an environment conducive to that. Do you disagree? I guess, overall, I have concern w/Tori talking extensively about the glories of drug use, but I'm not sure this one sentence a disaster makes. Thoughts? Ronda Ronda Blacksher Director of Marketing Eye Clinic of Austin (512) 427-1152 www.eyeclinic2020.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:34:15 -0800 (PST) From: Fab DC gal Subject: MM: NPC: Drugs, Tori etc. I disagree wholeheartedly with Ronda's statements! - -WJ in DC - --- "Ronda B." wrote: > Cristina/Wendy/All -- > > For what it's worth, I think Tori very likely > meant coke and don't have trouble > thinking she partakes (based on > interviews/performances I've seen). > Besides, what would the critical difference be > there? Mind-altering > substances are mind-altering substances. I > know some would argue degrees of > disability, but I don't buy it in this context. > The point is still that > we're not seeing Tori. We're seeing Tori plus > substance, whether that be > pot, crank, heroin or whatever. > And, I still don't see a direct link to young > girls coking it up because > Tori does. They're coking it up because it's > available and they're in an > environment > conducive to that. Do you disagree? I guess, > overall, I have concern > w/Tori talking extensively about the glories of > drug use, but I'm not sure > this one sentence a disaster makes. > > Thoughts? > > Ronda > Ronda Blacksher > Director of Marketing > Eye Clinic of Austin > (512) 427-1152 > > www.eyeclinic2020.com > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:38:15 EST From: Seiji64@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: new Patty cds On the Mountain is also available directly from KMTT for $14.95 + $2.00 shipping. Here's the link: http://www.kmtt.com/nonframes/mmalllow/index.html Doug ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:44:23 -0600 From: rblack1@io.com (Ronda B.) Subject: Re: MM: NPC: Drugs, Tori etc. Well, that's helpful. Might you enlighten us as to exactly why, rather than simply beg to differ? Otherwise, the discussion is useless ... and I find it hard to believe you think that, having started it. R. At 01:34 PM 11/10/99 -0800, Fab DC gal wrote: >I disagree wholeheartedly with Ronda's >statements! > >-WJ in DC > > >--- "Ronda B." wrote: >> Cristina/Wendy/All -- >> >> For what it's worth, I think Tori very likely >> meant coke and don't have trouble >> thinking she partakes (based on >> interviews/performances I've seen). >> Besides, what would the critical difference be >> there? Mind-altering >> substances are mind-altering substances. I >> know some would argue degrees of >> disability, but I don't buy it in this context. >> The point is still that >> we're not seeing Tori. We're seeing Tori plus >> substance, whether that be >> pot, crank, heroin or whatever. >> And, I still don't see a direct link to young >> girls coking it up because >> Tori does. They're coking it up because it's >> available and they're in an >> environment >> conducive to that. Do you disagree? I guess, >> overall, I have concern >> w/Tori talking extensively about the glories of >> drug use, but I'm not sure >> this one sentence a disaster makes. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Ronda >> Ronda Blacksher >> Director of Marketing >> Eye Clinic of Austin >> (512) 427-1152 >> >> www.eyeclinic2020.com >> >> > > >===== > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > Ronda Blacksher Director of Marketing Eye Clinic of Austin (512) 427-1152 www.eyeclinic2020.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:18:17 EST From: Femboty2k@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: NPC: Drugs, Tori etc. In a message dated 11/10/99 4:22:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, rblack1@io.com writes: << And, I still don't see a direct link to young girls coking it up because Tori does. They're coking it up because it's available and they're in an environment conducive to that. Do you disagree? >> Yes, and no. If they're already using it's not because of something Tori or anyone else said, it is their environment, however drug addicts will use any excuse possible to continue using, especially young, naive ones. I wouldn't want to be anyone's excuse. The bottom line is, whether we are for it or against it, coke, blow, cocaine, marijuana, etc., is illegal. Adults need to start setting better examples for children. Why should kids pay attention to the law when we don't? I bet if Tori cheated on her taxes, she wouldn't come out and tell the world that. That would be stupid and so not cool. I like Tori Amos' music, but I still think she should keep her drug use to herself. Later, Tina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:29:21 -0800 (PST) From: John Utrup Subject: MM: Any word on RARITIES 2? I boosted the sound of my Rarities 1 tape and edited it to try to get rid of jagged breaks between songs. I would pay S&H as well as sending the boosted tape and 2 cd's to whoever has a burner. I guess just reply to me if anyone has the time. It's not that big a difference, but I'd love to have the CD's and I could then burn them at Kinko's for another friend. Is part 2 ready? Just wondering. Well, everyone have a great day. :-) John ===== Why has my angel gone from me? The moon I fear, and the stars fall on me. I won't close my eyes 'til the morning light. Oh, bring on the sun, I cannot rest tonight. - Kate Rusby __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:18:30 PST From: "Paul Russell" Subject: MM: crack rock sold Here!!! Hey there! I just couldn't resist sticking my butt into this drug conversation thing. I'll agree on one note. Those drugs are illegal and she probably should be prosecuted for it. Not that I personally think that drugs should be illegal, for my own personal reasons (I won't go into them) I think all drugs should be legal. However, they aren't....and the law is the law. If you don't like it, then change the law. don't just break laws cuz you don't like them. (you is refering to Tori Amos). yes, I think she does encourage younger kids to do drugs by stating she does them and doesn't see anything wrong with it. But also, as was mentioned, I don't think you have some 14 year old going "hmmmm. coke is wrong. But Tori says its okay so I'll do it." For some reason I keep thinking of those stupid lawsuits in the 80's about "my son bought an Ozzy Osbourne tape and then he killed himself"....yeah, maybe your divorce and being on heroin had something to do with it. Come on. Speaking of heroin, I would have to say that that is a total turn off. I really liked Alanis Morrisette until I saw that VH1 live concert thing. I was watching her and I said, "damn, that's heroin. She's totally gone on it." I know. I've seen people on heroin and that was totally what they acted like. So, I lost interest in Ms. Morrisette, sadly. Hey, I could be wrong...one of her idols could have been Andy Kaufka and she was faking the heroin thing. Andy would have done that, just to piss everyone off for his own enjoyment. I mean, if she's gonna do smack, then at least don't do it right before a concert that millions of people are going to see on VH1. bleah. I'm digressing... Uh, if Patty Griffin did heroin, I would stop listening to her. Crack rock? cocaine? marijuana? I honestly don't know. I'd probably keep on. But I've lost my train of thought. Wait, let me take another hit here....ahhhhh. kidding ;P Drugs do take you away and free your mind, though. I've heard of many a movie being scripted after long, heavy drinking sessions at McSorely's. You know what? I'm going to stop writing because I'm not going anywhere with this. I thought I had a point, but nope. sorry, you are not an instant winner. Please try again later. "he keeps hanging up. i wonder why he keeps hanging up?"--pink floyd paul **************************************** * Remember when you were considered * * an environmentalist when you just * * didn't throw things out the window? * * * * --Paula Poundstone * **************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:49:46 -0500 From: "Greg Pendleton" Subject: MM: Just Say Patty! Anyone going to the Patty/Richard Thompson show at the Keswick on November 20th? (thought I'd detour from the drug path and start a new conversation ;-) ) Greg "sober in NYC" P. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Russell To: Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 7:18 PM Subject: MM: crack rock sold Here!!! > Hey there! > > I just couldn't resist sticking my butt into this drug conversation thing. > I'll agree on one note. Those drugs are illegal and she probably should be > prosecuted for it. > Not that I personally think that drugs should be illegal, for my own > personal reasons (I won't go into them) I think all drugs should be legal. > However, they aren't....and the law is the law. If you don't like it, then > change the law. don't just break laws cuz you don't like them. (you is > refering to Tori Amos). > > yes, I think she does encourage younger kids to do drugs by stating she does > them and doesn't see anything wrong with it. But also, as was mentioned, I > don't think you have some 14 year old going "hmmmm. coke is wrong. But Tori > says its okay so I'll do it." For some reason I keep thinking of those > stupid lawsuits in the 80's about "my son bought an Ozzy Osbourne tape and > then he killed himself"....yeah, maybe your divorce and being on heroin had > something to do with it. Come on. > > Speaking of heroin, I would have to say that that is a total turn off. I > really liked Alanis Morrisette until I saw that VH1 live concert thing. I > was watching her and I said, "damn, that's heroin. She's totally gone on > it." I know. I've seen people on heroin and that was totally what they acted > like. So, I lost interest in Ms. Morrisette, sadly. Hey, I could be > wrong...one of her idols could have been Andy Kaufka and she was faking the > heroin thing. Andy would have done that, just to piss everyone off for his > own enjoyment. I mean, if she's gonna do smack, then at least don't do it > right before a concert that millions of people are going to see on VH1. > bleah. > I'm digressing... > > Uh, if Patty Griffin did heroin, I would stop listening to her. Crack rock? > cocaine? marijuana? I honestly don't know. I'd probably keep on. But I've > lost my train of thought. Wait, let me take another hit here....ahhhhh. > kidding ;P > > Drugs do take you away and free your mind, though. I've heard of many a > movie being scripted after long, heavy drinking sessions at McSorely's. > > You know what? I'm going to stop writing because I'm not going anywhere with > this. I thought I had a point, but nope. > > sorry, you are not an instant winner. Please try again later. > > > > "he keeps hanging up. i wonder why he keeps hanging up?"--pink floyd > > paul > > > **************************************** > * Remember when you were considered * > * an environmentalist when you just * > * didn't throw things out the window? * > * * > * --Paula Poundstone * > **************************************** > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:55:19 EST From: COOLTUNES5@aol.com Subject: MM: I need two Tickets!!! Im looking for two tickets to the Patty, Richard Thompson show on November 20...CAN ANYONE HELP????? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:03:04 EST From: Rudgetty@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: drugs and stuff i wanted to add a younger person's point of view to this discussion about drugs, because tori's statement, as you all have said a few times and in a few different ways, is more focused on folks my age than anyone else... for the record, i am not going to coke it up because tori amos says that she does it and sees nothing wrong with it. i dont condone her comments because i also agree that coke is illegal and she is sending off a bad message. however, i do know people my age who have done drugs for stupider reasons than "because tori says so." sad but true. i mean these are the kids who get kicked out of parties for hitting holes in the walls with their heads. we must pity them. i have to ask: honestly if tori had said the same exact comment about marijuana, would we be having this conversation? i mean, it is accepted easier so would it be easier to swallow. unfortunately, i think so. so where does that "illegal is illegal" line come in here? but...you hear that? what is that sound? its like, muffled.... um....what could that be? its like a neighing sound. no its not sirens. oh, its the sound of beating a dead horse. hmmm. kate ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V3 #319 *********************************