From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V3 #291 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Monday, October 11 1999 Volume 03 : Number 291 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: Patty's "look"...possibly an explanation?? [Mercyme37@aol.com] MM: Patty's Attire [diamondmask@juno.com] MM: clothing ["Nancy Micciulla" ] MM: new album? ["C. Minter" ] MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #290 [AloanStar@webtv.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J] MM: Previous posting ["Perlman, Judith" ] Re: MM: Previous posting ["Ata Rivers" ] MM: Trashing on Patty ["Brad Taylor" ] MM: Life Uncommon last year [BigRed217@aol.com] Re: MM: Life Uncommon last year [EveryLittleBit@aol.com] MM: Speaking of the Keswick [Mercyme37@aol.com] Re: MM: Life Uncommon last year [Mike Connell ] Re: MM: new album? [Mooodeee@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 07:18:23 EDT From: Mercyme37@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Patty's "look"...possibly an explanation?? Hi everyone. My very first Patty experience was at the Keswick Theater last year in October. The guy I was with was so in love with her. We skipped the opening act and waited out back for her. I had no idea who she was. Then there she was, in that unbecoming outfit, and I thought she could do better than that, but I also admired it also because it takes confidence to wear what you feel like if it isn't all that attractive on stage. BTW, my date said to her "Patty I LOVE YOU!" and she turned around and said "Oh boy!" That my friends, cracked me up and shot her up on my good list. And that was all before I heard her. We went and sat in our seats and she comes out on stage and started to sing........she had me hooked. She was so darn shy , cute and great! Who the hell cares what she wears? I also thought the guy in PJs was a joke. As for Frank the bass player, I instantly was mesmerized by his facial expressions. I thought this band is having fun!! They love what they are doing......That was so refreshing. By the time Patty got to Peter Pan and her piano playing I was completely hooked. I will always remember my first Patty experience and the cute way she was dressed. It was cute because of her personality. But I will remember more how she laughed at herself (and the guy I was with; oh boy!) and the little mistakes that were made. But most of all I will always Remember how she SANG. Her lyrics moved my soul. I have been told I am the best dressed person in Glenside. So, if anyone is walking the Keswick Avenue strip (I work on the Avenue) and sees me wearing my "Patty" outfit sans the knee highs and black glasses, stop and say hi! BTW, Dave, I think the skirt was maroon...... Peace, Karla ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 04:25:20 -0700 From: diamondmask@juno.com Subject: MM: Patty's Attire Seems to me that as long as she doesn't wear an Artic hood with the flap that comes over her mouth to block what comes out of that mouth, well, it's just clothing isn't it? jiswa ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 05:55:03 PDT From: "Nancy Micciulla" Subject: MM: clothing i've been kind of silent during this little conversation about patty's look, but i figured i'd throw in my two cents. i like patty's look a lot. sure, her clothes aren't always the most flattering, but heck. . .one of my favorite outfits to wear is my olive green corduroy overalls, and overalls aren't very flattering to anyone except perhaps painters, farmers, and little kids. (feel free to disagree with me if you've seen otherwise :-) anywho. . .maybe patty just wants to be comfortable, and if platforms and revealing clothes are comfortable, more power to her! i am also a performer, and i know that i torture myself over what to wear to every show. i only play around the pittsburgh area right now, so it's usually the same audience all the time. i have to come up with new stuff because i hate to wear the same thing twice (that's just me, i know). and i hate to say it, but most musicians need to have an image that goes with their music. when i was doing the cover band thing, our agent told us we needed some sort of image. . . whether it be a certain color or a time period (example, 60's dress) or something, we couldn't go up there with half of us in jeans and t-shirts and the other half (the girls) dressed nicely. we needed to kind of look like we fit together. it's a shame it is that way, but image sells just as much as music. now, i don't know about that show at the keswick, but like someone said, it seemed to be a little bit of a joke. have fun with it! and lastly. . .you have to pick clothing that looks good with a guitar in front of it. some things just don't work. . . :-) nancy m ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:37:01 -0500 From: "C. Minter" Subject: MM: new album? Hey all, Does anyone know when Patty will begin recording a new album? -Cristina **************************************** "No one dared, no one cared to tell me where the pretty girls are--those demi-gods-- with their nine-inch nails and little fascist panties tucked inside the heart of every nice girl." -Tori Amos, "Precious Things" **************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:58:44 -0400 (EDT) From: AloanStar@webtv.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean=F1e_Pugh?=) Subject: MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #290 "Her hair was pulled back, a bit like at the Sessions taping, and she was wearing black rimmed glasses that you would imagine one of those old women teachers back in the 60's to wear. I really don't know if this is really when these glasses were popular, but that's just my guess." Not that I like that style of glasses, because I remember when they were popular so many years ago, but they are back in fashion. I work in the eyeglass industry and this style of glasses sell as quickly as we can get them in. We make them often with on prescription at all, just plano lenses, because people just want the look..along with half-eyes which were normally used for basically reading glasses. Not the case anymore, it's a look. But I look at it this way, if you are old enough to remember when something was "in, such as these glasses, bell bottoms, or platform shoes, you are too old to wear them now. Patty on the other hand, is quite a bit younger than some of us on this list, so "what the hell". Patty can dress anyway she wants...it doesn't matter to me....it's her voice and music I love. I only hope she never heckles me about what I am wearing! Thanks! Jeanñe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:44:05 -0400 From: "Perlman, Judith" Subject: MM: Previous posting I knew I'd get a lot of flak, but I thought it would be about baseball, not about how Patty looked. I think that most of you didn't get the point I was trying to make. I don't care about clothes, I must be the woman in the world who cares the least about clothes. Really, I am not a materialistic person. I don't even wear makeup to work. Or jewelry. Her looks don't matter to me. I played "LWG" at least 1,000 times without knowing what she looked like. I didn't care what she looked like. However, when I opened up "Flaming Red" and saw those pictures of her, I was extremely annoyed, because by that time I had seen her 2 or 3 times, and knew what she looked like, that she was very attractive and very charming. And not only are those pictures in FR so unflattering, they didn't even convey her personality, which is 1 of the most beautiful things about her. I wondered whose idea it was to pick those pictures, because they certainly didn't do Patty justice. And the point is, that this goes to nth degree if she's going to be on national TV when millions of people are going to see her. I wanted her to look good, to look as pretty as she is. She can wear whatever the hell she wants as far as I'm concerned, but if it's going to be national TV, let her look as good as possible. I'm not talking about sequins, or sheer clothes, or butterflies in her hair, or hair extensions, or the leather dominatrix outfit Shania Twain wore to the Grammys. [But if you think that didn't have an effect on men, let me tell you, a lot of my male friends got very interested in her after that. But I digress]. And unfortunately, image does matter in the entertainment business. Americans are very visually oriented; that's why they produce beautiful looking tomatoes that taste like plastic - and we buy them. I'm not saying she doesn't have the right to wear whatever she wants, only that it was a good idea to have her look as beautiful as she did for national TV. And Jesus Christ, why is it when anybody expresses an opinion on this list, 10 people jump on them immediately to tell them they have no right to say that, or don't be so critical, or "you're horrible, you should love Patty no matter what." Maybe she's striving to get it right & needs feedback. Maybe she's experimenting. That's fine. I do love Patty, and that's why I wanted her to look good, and not be in an unflattering outfit or makeup. That's all. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:45:16 PDT From: "Ata Rivers" Subject: Re: MM: Previous posting I'm not the least bit interested in Shania Twain - - as a singer. But seriously, Patty looked and sounded great and I think Patty has a right to her personal style. It will be up to her to decide how much leeway she wants to give to industry people in shaping her image. Judith Perlman deserves thanks for being honest and enthusiastic. Don't take any of the flak personally, it's all about Patty and not about any of us. OK, come on, lay it on me, I can take it. >From: "Perlman, Judith" >To: "'mad-mission@smoe.org'" >Subject: MM: Previous posting >Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:44:05 -0400 > >I knew I'd get a lot of flak, but I thought it would be about baseball, not >about how Patty looked. > >I think that most of you didn't get the point I was trying to make. I >don't >care about clothes, I must be the woman in the world who cares the least >about clothes. Really, I am not a materialistic person. I don't even wear >makeup to work. Or jewelry. > >Her looks don't matter to me. I played "LWG" at least 1,000 times without >knowing what she looked like. I didn't care what she looked like. >However, >when I opened up "Flaming Red" and saw those pictures of her, I was >extremely annoyed, because by that time I had seen her 2 or 3 times, and >knew what she looked like, that she was very attractive and very charming. >And not only are those pictures in FR so unflattering, they didn't even >convey her personality, which is 1 of the most beautiful things about her. >I wondered whose idea it was to pick those pictures, because they certainly >didn't do Patty justice. > >And the point is, that this goes to nth degree if she's going to be on >national TV when millions of people are going to see her. I wanted her to >look good, to look as pretty as she is. She can wear whatever the hell she >wants as far as I'm concerned, but if it's going to be national TV, let her >look as good as possible. I'm not talking about sequins, or sheer clothes, >or butterflies in her hair, or hair extensions, or the leather dominatrix >outfit Shania Twain wore to the Grammys. [But if you think that didn't >have >an effect on men, let me tell you, a lot of my male friends got very >interested in her after that. But I digress]. > >And unfortunately, image does matter in the entertainment business. >Americans are very visually oriented; that's why they produce beautiful >looking tomatoes that taste like plastic - and we buy them. > >I'm not saying she doesn't have the right to wear whatever she wants, only >that it was a good idea to have her look as beautiful as she did for >national TV. > >And Jesus Christ, why is it when anybody expresses an opinion on this list, >10 people jump on them immediately to tell them they have no right to say >that, or don't be so critical, or "you're horrible, you should love Patty >no >matter what." Maybe she's striving to get it right & needs feedback. >Maybe >she's experimenting. That's fine. I do love Patty, and that's why I >wanted >her to look good, and not be in an unflattering outfit or makeup. That's >all. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:36:19 -0500 From: "Brad Taylor" Subject: MM: Trashing on Patty Ok, let me just start out by saying...where in the hell do people get off trashing on someone's attire...can i say people have to much time on their hands. Secondly, i have seen patty several times and she may not be the classiest dresser, but we don't love her for her dress we love her for the voice last i checked.... GO PATTY....by the way did anyone answer about when her new record will be out... Brad ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:46:06 EDT From: BigRed217@aol.com Subject: MM: Life Uncommon last year I'm not sure when it was but it was a WHILE back, it was either early spring or earlier but a local radio station had started playing this song.... and it hadn't even been released yet :) they stopped but still , it got play! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:51:12 EDT From: EveryLittleBit@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Life Uncommon last year In a message dated 10/11/99 6:24:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BigRed217@aol.com writes: << I'm not sure when it was but it was a WHILE back, it was either early spring or earlier but a local radio station had started playing this song.... and it hadn't even been released yet :) they stopped but still , it got play! >> I don't know exactly how, but this message was intended for, and sent to, the Jewel list- yet it got delievered here. Life Uncommon is a Jewel song, not a Patty song, so nobody get excited about a newfound song ;) Rachel :D ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:37:43 EDT From: Mercyme37@aol.com Subject: MM: Speaking of the Keswick Hey folks. just got word, Patty is opening for Richard Thompson at the Keswick Theatre. She will be the opener for the second show. She will be solo. Here is the link to the Keswick. This is late breaking news finalized just a few short hours ago and the show page isn't updated yet. Keswick Theater Main Page www.keswicktheatre.com Peace, Karla ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:25:50 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: MM: Life Uncommon last year Rachel said: >I don't know exactly how, but this message was intended for, and sent to, the >Jewel list- yet it got delievered here. Life Uncommon is a Jewel song, not a >Patty song, so nobody get excited about a newfound song ;) I just goofed. The Jewel list is moderated, and I accidently sent the post to MM instead of that list. Done it before, and I'll likely mess up and do it again someday. Mike :-) - - * The Patty Griffin/Mad-Mission@smoe List Homepage is at: * http://www.quackquack.net/pattyg * * Rachel Martin's Patty Griffin Lyrics Archive is at * http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/3079/patty.html * * Jerry Zigmont's Flaming Red - A Patty Griffin Website is at * http://members.tripod.com/PattyGriffin * * Katie Peterson's Patty Griffin Guitar Tabs Archive is at * http://members.tripod.com/~Lifey/patty.html * * DuckOfPrey or WhyADuck55 on AOL and/or AOL Instant Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:35:52 EDT From: Mooodeee@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: new album? Hey Mad Mishers... (which I think for this list secretly means "on a mission to make people mad")... hehehe! ;-) Treat this like hearsay, but.... I've heard that she will start recording the new CD in January of 2000. I also understand that she is thinking about recording on-location inside a church here in Austin.. which i think is both chilling and brilliant!!! The acoustics... the atmosphere... the feeling.... the spirit.... how overwhelming with imagination and potential emotion!! (just think: a place where hundreds of people were married... weeped at the funerals for their loved ones... where countless words of inspiration and hope were spoken...and so much more). I also understand that it will be produced again by Jay Joyce, the same talented fella who produced the amazing Flaming Red. Maybe part of the magic of LWG was the comfortable atmosphere of where it was recorded... being in someplace besides the steril, harsh, cramped quarters of a soulless stuffy recording studio. I certainly hope she does it, because "feeling" is everything.... and I can't imagine a more inspirational place. Love from Austin, Mimi PS: Please, I hope y'all don't get mad at me for sharing what I heard. ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V3 #291 *********************************