From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V3 #283 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Monday, October 4 1999 Volume 03 : Number 283 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Re: ****review***** PS. PPS. and PPPS [Mercyme37@aol.com] MM: Sessions comments. [Rongrittz@aol.com] MM: Fwd: Patty's TWISTED ROAD [Mauseee@aol.com] MM: Re: Sessions comments. ["C. Minter" ] MM: Re: Sessions comments. ["Connell, Michael P" ] MM: RE: Patty Rocks [Gary Jacques ] Re: MM: Patty Rocks [BLUEHEN@webtv.net] MM: Hi, I'm new to the list ["Ata Rivers" ] MM: Patty Rocks ["Brad Taylor" ] Re: MM: Patty Rocks [BLUEHEN@webtv.net] Re: MM: Patty Rocks ["Ata Rivers" ] MM: Sessions ["Patty's Band" ] Re: MM: UGH, ignorant people (NPC) [L & C Israelson > Well, I must say, I was kinda bummed that Patty only played for an hour. << Remember, this was not a concert, this was a taping for a TV show. Once Patty and the producers of the show got what they needed to fill the half-hour time slot, that's it. Besides, the soundstage in which the taping was held is often used for other purposes during the evening, so they really couldn't keep us there for another hour. >> Now, if only they could have managed to find people who are actually into music, and sat them up front. I'm telling you that crowd up front was scary. Mannequin's would have done a better job. << People were specifically asked to stay in their seats so as to not block the cameras. I've been to "Sessions" tapings in which people who got too boisterous were asked to restrain themselves (or relocated) because they were being distracting in front of the cameras. I can't believe anyone really thinks that Saturday's audience wasn't overwhelmingly enthusiastic. >> Most of the techs that were directing people to their seats were nice, but this one woman was so condescending to the men in front of us ("C'mon guys, let's make a decision QUICKLY!"). << That woman was the Production Manager of show, the person responsible for making sure that things got off on time. Again, they have a schedule to keep. >> I was disappointed at the lack of red in the audience << The "invitation" to the show SPECIFICALLY said to wear dark colors. Anyone who wore "flaming red" clothes would have been seated way in the back, out of camera range. When it comes right down to it, the show was free. The weather was beautiful. We all had the chance to meet nice people. Patty was great. And it was wonderful of the producers to offer tickets to MM-listers. And anyone who complains about any aspect of it is just being picky, IMHO. Me, I loved everything about it. Ron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:43:48 EDT From: Mauseee@aol.com Subject: MM: Fwd: Patty's TWISTED ROAD - --part1_b4d4dec0.2529ecf4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --part1_b4d4dec0.2529ecf4_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yh03.mx.aol.com (rly-yh03.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.35]) by air-yh04.mail.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP; Sun, 03 Oct 1999 12:28:04 -0400 Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.59.113]) by rly-yh03.mx.aol.com (v61.13) with ESMTP; Sun, 03 Oct 1999 12:28:02 -0400 Received: from smart (FLNCB102-19.splitrock.net [209.252.128.19]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA724914 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 12:28:00 -0400 Message-Id: <199910031628.MAA724914@pimout2-int.prodigy.net> From: "JOEL B SMART" To: Subject: Patty's TWISTED ROAD Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 12:27:58 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Mauseee....... sorry for bothering you, but it seems none of my Patty posts are getting posted to the PATTY newsgroup, so if you would, and could....please pass this info on to the group.....i'm sure some of them would like to know!! and thanks! joel ***** Last week, from my friends at Atlantic Records, i got the advance on the new ANYWHERE BUT HERE movie soundtrack......and to my surprise, it has a brand new (at least new to me, as i am not fortunate enough to have the bootlegs and such in my collection!) PATTY song!! It's took me a few listens to get into the song, but once it hit me, it really hit me!! It's alot more "rockin'" and more powerful than most of Patty's music, but it's a really moving song! The rest of the soundtrack looks a little like this: k.d.lang-Anywhere But Here Pocketsize-Walking 21st Century Girls-Scream & Shout LeAnn Rimes-Leaving's Not Leaving Lisa Loeb-I Wish Marie Wilson-Free Carly Simon & Sally Taylor-Amity Sarah McLachlan-Ice Cream Kacy Crowley-Furniture Patty Griffin-Twisted Road Poe-Strange Wind Sinead Lohan-Everything Around Me Is Changing Lili Hayden-Come Here Bif Naked-Chotee Danny Elfman-Anywhere But Here Score Suite ........o.k., i hope this info is useful! I have not seen anyone else mention the new song, so maybe i'm not the only one who didn't know about it......but most likely i was! joel - --part1_b4d4dec0.2529ecf4_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:10:53 -0500 From: "C. Minter" Subject: MM: Re: Sessions comments. > That woman was the Production Manager of show, the person responsible for > making sure that things got off on time. Again, they have a schedule to keep. > Dearest Ron, I don't care WHO that woman is. You do not talk to people that way. It's not OUR fault the show was running late, and those men did nothing to provoke her condescending attitude. If you find that her being a production manager for a television show gives her the right to patronize guests, then I hope no one ever puts you in charge of dealing with the public. Yes, I appreciate the free tickets from Patty's management. However, I watch my friends get patronized enough at work and I see no excuse for it. I certainly don't see an excuse for it at a television taping. Everyone else at the studio was very nice and professional and I appreciate that and expect that from a show like "Sessions." -Cristina **************************************** "No one dared, no one cared to tell me where the pretty girls are--those demi-gods-- with their nine-inch nails and little fascist panties tucked inside the heart of every nice girl." -Tori Amos, "Precious Things" **************************************** > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 09:21:51 -0400 From: "Connell, Michael P" Subject: MM: Re: Sessions comments. Actually, Patty's management had nothing to do with MM list members getting tickets to the show. If anything, we can attribute this to Jewel's management in a round-about way. Jewel's Sessions gig was a few weeks ago, and Alan Bershaw was heading up a similar Sessions ticket offering on the Jewel list when he noticed Patty was scheduled for a Sessions gig also. He mentioned this list to the Sessions people and also contacted me about it, and viola! We had invites. Mike :-) Christina wrote: Yes, I appreciate the free tickets from Patty's management. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:15:00 EDT From: UMCaner74@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Re: Sessions comments. Mike, Thanks for the info on how we got tickets. Alan is, or used to be on this list I believe, so we all owe him a GIGANTIC and ENTHUSIASTIC, "Thank You Alan!" You da man! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 11:21:51 -0500 From: "Brad Taylor" Subject: MM: Patty Rocks Does anyone know a set list that she did on Sessions?????? Brad ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:54:22 -0400 From: Gary Jacques Subject: MM: RE: Patty Rocks Mary, Tony, Flaming Red, Silver Bell, Little God, Carry, Makin Pies, You are not Alone and Peter Pan. I may have missed one? Evil Gary - -----Original Message----- From: Brad Taylor [mailto:btaylor@wordentertainment.com] Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 12:22 PM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: Patty Rocks Does anyone know a set list that she did on Sessions?????? Brad ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:09:55 -0400 (EDT) From: BLUEHEN@webtv.net Subject: Re: MM: Patty Rocks I was lucky enough to snag a copy of her set list from one of the cameramen and the show went like this: MARY, TONY,FLAMING RED(wth the bluesy intro), GOODBYE, SILVER BELL, LITTLE GOD,CARRY ME, NOT ALONE,MAKING PIES, and PETER PAN. It was amazing!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 10:08:59 PDT From: "Ata Rivers" Subject: MM: Hi, I'm new to the list Hello, I'm brand new to the list. I quite like Patty Griffin and I decided to join the list after meeting a few of you at the Sessions on 54th Street last Saturday. Someone asked me if I was a member of Mad Mission but I didn't know what that was but after chatting for a bit, well, here I am. I was assured there are no maniacs the list so I hope that will still be everyone's opinion now that I'm here. Anyway, I was the maniacal looking guy with a hood over his head. I wasn't trying to be unfriendly when I clammed up, it's just that the sun was doing a number on me. Talk to everybody soon... Oh yeah, the Sessions was great, I can't wait to attend another. "Hate your job/ Love your stuff/ If you think that's living you are wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong!" - - Juliana Hatfield ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 12:14:38 -0500 From: "Brad Taylor" Subject: MM: Patty Rocks Thanks you all...That sounds great...I have seen her about 6 or 7 times...I had never heard of her until I moved here in Nashville. My girlfriend and I love her. I would have to say she is phenomenal. What did the Makin' Pies sound like...I have heard Little God....which is great as well... Brad ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:25:39 -0400 (EDT) From: BLUEHEN@webtv.net Subject: Re: MM: Patty Rocks From what I got out of the song, it was inspired by a certain pie making factory in Woerster, Mass. (sorry for the spelling) when Patty lived there and it was the story of a woman who worked there. She has such a way witha lyric not to mention that VOICE!! It was very folky sounding. I hope that helps! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 10:41:22 PDT From: "Ata Rivers" Subject: Re: MM: Patty Rocks Patty mentioned in her intro that she was inspired by the pies that all night convenience stores around the Boston area sell. The pies are made by a Worcester based company called "Table Talk." Anyone from that part of New England is familiar with them. They are the sort of "belly bombs" favored by those of us who are more interested in instant gratification than long term nutritional value. In my opinion, Table Talk pies pose no threat to pastry chefs, or even the Entenmann's company. >From: BLUEHEN@webtv.net >To: btaylor@wordentertainment.com (Brad Taylor) >CC: mad-mission@smoe.org >Subject: Re: MM: Patty Rocks >Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:25:39 -0400 (EDT) > >From what I got out of the song, it was inspired by a certain pie making >factory in Woerster, Mass. (sorry for the spelling) when Patty lived >there and it was the story of a woman who worked there. She has such a >way witha lyric not to mention that VOICE!! It was very folky sounding. >I hope that helps! > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:21:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Patty's Band" Subject: MM: Sessions I just want to thank you all for your encouraging words regarding the taping of the show. We all had a great time and the staff at Sessions are some of the nicest people I have ever met in the music business. Patty is the most amazing artist that I have every played with and unless a surviving Beatle asks me to joins his band, I have reason to believe that will always be the case. This is further supported by the fact that fans from Nashville (my home) flew up to New York, of all places, to see us play for an hour. Playing music is all that I have ever wanted to do. It is a bonus that I get to do it with Patty and the rest of the band, and in front of people that love good music. Thanks, John (keyboards) ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 11:41:24 -0700 From: L & C Israelson Subject: Re: MM: UGH, ignorant people (NPC) I didn't chime in on this issue right away because it deserves more than a dashed-off response... Rachel was absolutely right to confront this girl regarding her hateful opinions. If the girl hears it enough, and asks herself a few questions, she may eventually become more tolerant and accepting of those "different" from herself. Otherwise, for all we know she is a couple of personal setbacks and/or misfiring synapses away from planting a bomb at a gay bar. Although I never belonged to a fundamentalist church, at one point my beliefs were actually quite similar to this girl's. When I was in eighth grade (wow! 25 years ago), I had a male teacher who wore bow ties and walked and talked, well, a little funny. I can still remember the comments he wrote on one of my essays: "A+. Your command of the English language is exceptional." Everything was great, until a group of classmates approached me in the lunchroom and asked how I liked Mr. _______. When I acknowledged that he was one of my favorite teachers, I was told, "Well, then you must be a fruit just like him." At that age, I was pretty clueless sexually, but I knew damn well that I didn't want to be a "fruit," so I marched into the assistant principal's office and demanded a new teacher. I never again spoke to Mr. _______, and within a week I was transferred to another classroom for that subject. Although I thought nothing of it at the time, my actions must have hurt him terribly. I would be hard-pressed to come up with anything else I have ever done that makes me less proud. And, ironically, to this day I have no idea if Mr. ________ really was gay. As I matured, my attitudes softened but I still must have exuded some sort of ill-concealed hostility. For instance, I knew of gay co-workers through third parties, but nobody ever revealed his/her homosexuality to me directly. Finally, two incidents provoked the epiphany I needed. At this point, I may be mixing them up chronologically, but the first involved some sort of gay pride festival in a public park in Orange County. At the instigation of Rev. Wildmon, a fairly sizable group of anti-gay protesters gathered across the street and proceeded to shower the festival-goers with spit and epithets, not to mention a few rocks and bottles. I asked myself, if Jesus Himself walked upon this scene, with which group would He stand? Some time later, actor Dick Sargent (the second Darrin on "Bewitched") was near death, I believe due to AIDS-related complications. I saw a TV interview with the Rev. Fred Phelps, a minister from the Kansas City area. He announced his intention to picket Sargent's funeral to (I'm paraphrasing) call attention to how God exacts his vengeance from the immoral. During this interview, Phelps said, "You can't preach the true meaning of the Bible without preaching hate." I can be pretty oblivious at times, but I knew there was no way the God I believe in could make some people homosexual and then expect everybody else to despise them. Since then, I have consistently expressed, with both voice and pen, the following: if someone feels about a person of the same gender the way that I feel about my wife, then that is something that ought to be celebrated rather than condemned. And, to all those I shunned and snickered at for even the appearance of being gay, I am deeply and truly sorry. Larry I in LA EveryLittleBit@aol.com wrote: > > As some of you know, I'm an RA this year at school. I joined an RA mailing > list because I thought it would be a good way to trade tips, ideas, ways to > handle sitations, etc. The other day I had a situation and I wanted some > advice, so I worte to them, and some of the responses I got scared the crap > out of me. THESE people are looking out for the well-being of teenagers? > > The situation I had was that I was working the front desk when one of my > residents came up and we started talking about the movie Cruel Intentions. > Everything was fine until she said "Oh, they didn't have to put in that scene > with the girls kissing, it was disgusting." She then went on to say that she > "didn't believe in that kind of stuff" and that what they were doing was > wrong and made her sick. I told her that I wouldn't tolerate gay bashing on > my floor, the same way I won't tolerate people bashing Hispanic people (she's > Hispanic and I thought it would ring a chord with her). She said that if the > subject comes up she's going to say whatever she wants to say because she > thinks it's wrong and disgusting and she doesn't care who hears it from her. > > I asked the other RAs what I should do about the situation, if it came up > again. Most of them said to try to bring in gay speakers, talk to her quietly > & privately, etc. But then one kid said << I was brought up in a Christian > home. I have > come to a personal reason that as a Christian, homosexuality should be > condemned. To be crystal clear, I do not condemn the person, I condemn the > action. I'm not going to go deeper into all my views on GLBs and what will > happen to them unless you ask me to. This is something I believe strongly in. > So if you want to, you can say I have a prejudice against GLB persons. Could > it be possible that you are a little oversensitive on this issue? And I > really don't think you should try to "teach her to love and respect > everyone . . ." Forcing your views on someone is quite counterproductive. > How > do you know she's never questioned this? Isn't this the same close-mindedness > you're trying to prevent? Shouldn't we try to avoid stereotypes, yet you are > doing the same to her. >> > > Anyone know when it became close minded to love and respect everyone? So > anyway, then I got this next letter (which I bet wouldn't have been written > if the girl didn't see the first letter). > << From what it sounds like to me, you were bashing her views when you went > off on her about it, you could have avoided the whole situation and > possibly not made an enemy if you would have simply said "well that is > your opinion, please keep it to yourself" instead of ridiculing her by > saying she was gay-bashing, or whatever the word is and calling her > racist. The situation could have been handled a lot easier. And I agree > with Ryan on this, don't push your views on someone either. She was > simply stating her opinion, all you had to do was ask her to PLEASE keep > her opinion to herself. >> > > Is it that my parents taught me to love others so well that I'm not seeing > that my loving them is wrong ? I'm not going to just sit by and let people > bash my family and friends, saying they hate them when they've never met > them. What would these RAs do if a gay or lesbian student came to them, > unsure of their sexuality? I can just think of the damage that could possibly > be caused. They both thought I told her she was gay bashing, which I didn't- > I just told her I wouldn't tolerate it on my floor. She said those things at > the FRONT DESK of the building, not privately in her room. I still see and > talk to her daily, I don't even think she really knew (or cared) I was > bothered. We get along fine. Am I missing something here? > > Oh, please don't write back if you agree with the way all these people feel. > I know that people can't help what their religion has taught them, but I'm > Catholic and I learned to see past what I decided was men's take on God and > learn that nobody can be doing something against God when they're loving > someone else (unless they're an axe murderer). If anyone writes to me and > tells me I shouldn't have said anything I think I'm going to take out my own > axe. > > Thanks guys... I figured of all people, you would understand. > > Rachel :D ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V3 #283 *********************************