From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V3 #247 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Thursday, August 26 1999 Volume 03 : Number 247 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: KMTT [diamondmask@juno.com] MM: Dixie Chicks covering Patty [EveryLittleBit@aol.com] MM: Dixie Chics new CD [Remy457@aol.com] MM: Save the Linoleum ["Rudisel, Lisa" ] oooops!!! Re: MM: Save the Linoleum [Mike Connell ] Re: MM: toothless in Florida ["That Loud Girl" ] MM: re:song requests [hilah ] MM: requests [Julie E Graham ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 05:03:28 -0700 From: diamondmask@juno.com Subject: MM: KMTT I've been a listener of KMTT since the first day. I've never heard the song in question, but I will ask Tami, one of the DJ's, if they have it. They have a great little message board if you want to go there to see what some people in the Seattle area are thinking about and doing..... john ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:12:11 EDT From: EveryLittleBit@aol.com Subject: MM: Dixie Chicks covering Patty "Let Him Fly" is track 13 on the Dixie CHick's new album, "Fly". I'm not sure when it comes out or if it already did. Off to search the internet for an illegal mp3... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:32:17 EDT From: Remy457@aol.com Subject: MM: Dixie Chics new CD I was just looking at some stuff on the Dixie Chics new CD and Let Him Fly is track number 13. Unfortunately there was no sound clips for the song, so if anyone hears it I'm interested in hearing how it compares to Patty's version. Take care all, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 06:50:25 -0500 From: "Rudisel, Lisa" Subject: MM: Save the Linoleum Hey jewel fans!! listen, I am looking for the album titled "Save the Linoleum" there are about 6 tracks on it, I will probably have no luck tracking down all of her singles, so I thought I would try my luck with this one. Any suggestions would be great, even a taped copy, I will pay extra for shipping and inconvenience!!! Please please help me!!! lisa the desperate angel!! : ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:55:34 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: oooops!!! Re: MM: Save the Linoleum Sorry folks...that post below was intended for the Jewel mailing list (which is moderated) and I messed up and sent it here. Mike :-) >listen, I am looking for the album titled "Save the Linoleum" there are >about 6 tracks on it, I will probably have no luck tracking down all of her >singles, so I thought I would try my luck with this one. Any suggestions >would be great, even a taped copy, I will pay extra for shipping and >inconvenience!!! Please please help me!!! > >lisa >the desperate angel!! : ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:01:57 PDT From: "Paul Russell" Subject: MM: toothless in Florida Tina, Yeah, I know the concert you were talking about. I was there in Baltimore that evening at that concert. The thing was that you were mistaken. It wasn't a Patty Griffin concert at all, but a Nancy Griffith concert. When you got up and shouted "One big Love" we all turned around and thought, "What???" No, just kidding. :P But I'm gonna have to (KIND OF) disagree with Dave on this one, if you pay money money to see someone in concert you should hear the song you wanted to hear. Unless it was understood prior to the show about not playing some songs. Case in Point: a few years back good old David Bowie had so many hits and requests for his older stuff he could hardly get in any of his new material when playing a show (everyone wanted to hear the old stuff). So, he did a request concert tour, and told everyone that from now on he would only play his newer stuff. (sorry for being so technical, but I just can't think of another word other than stuff...probably cuz I want to stuff mah face raht now wid food). I can feel for the "poor Patty Griffin" scenario, but only for so much. I mean she does that for a living. That's her job. She gets paid for it. How many people say "well, paul is up every morning at 6 to go to school and then works until after 9 at night. Let's not call him during the live call-in shows tonight on TV so he can keep his mind on the audio board." Hmmmm. Dave! Dude! sorry if this sounds negative. I'm not trying to criticise what you wrote, and I mean that!!!! Buy the whey, cool dream in a dream thing going on. ;) So, Tina. Maybe you weren't at the right concert. Or, maybe before the show one of the band members said,"remember every one, the secret phrase is 'One big love'. No one mention the secret phrase or we'll stop playing and go home." Or hey, maybe everyone just then, at that same exact moment you opened your mouth to shout a song, everyone started smelling one of those lingering farts...thereby ignored what you shouted and thought collectively, "damn, who farted?" But, these are just some of the many possibilities of that particular night in the life and times of a Patty Griffin Concert. Not that I've ever been to one yet, but...just trying to help you out with your dilemna :) But now I must go. Go buy my groceries in Albertson's (especially since they have a good liquor selection...AND play Ms. Griffin). I guess I shall try to dine at Red Lobster as well. mmmmmmmm. lobster. peace love and vegetable rights paul ***************************** * This is the funk bass * * your mom will appreciate * * * * --radio promo for * * WTKX 101.3FM in FL * ***************************** _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:23:52 GMT From: "That Loud Girl" Subject: Re: MM: toothless in Florida >But I'm gonna have to (KIND OF) disagree with Dave on this one, if you pay >money money to see someone in concert you should hear the >song you wanted >to hear. Unless it was understood prior to the show >about not playing some >songs. Hmmm...Paul, I have to disagree with you on this one. An artist (hence the moniker, "artist") does not owe it to the audience to play her/his "big hit" (nor any of the audience members' sentimental favorites, no matter how juicy the posibility of hearing them played might be). When you buy a ticket to see Patty Griffin, you pay to see her play. Period. And what she owes you (and I hesitate to use the word "owe" here) is a performance. Period. Musicians are people, not robots--they can grow tired of songs, or no longer identify with them, or just not feel like playing a particular song on a particular night. They can also have some strong emotional or mental connection to a particular song that makes it hard to play when not in a certain mood (or too difficult to play without dredging up some uncomfortable feeling). And as for yelled out requests, I personally find them irritating (not unlike little gnats that go flitting against your face on an otherwise lovely, outdoorsy summer night. Call me persnickity. Peace, Shel _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:30:25 EDT From: Mooodeee@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: toothless in Florida Paul, Shel.... Both of you presented good cases on the topic of playing the hit in concert... im torn because i think you are both right! Secretly, sometimes the arteest gets completely sick of the song long before it even gets recorded, much less toured--its just a fact of life. But, ultimately the customer is always right. It's not really smart to be in the service industry and expect the priviledge of not having to serve, unless you are satisfied with disappointing some fans and alienating the commercial ones---fans who might not yet have discovered or appreciated the more unheard tunes (those concert goers who might not yet have bought the cd). The reverse of that, us long-timers and die hards get just as sick of the hit as the artist, but we are usually willing to forgive that commercial obligation, just so long as some new touches are thrown in there to keep it fresh. To play or not to play the hit is an artistic decision that is ironically financed by the customers paying to hear the hit. Some artists can afford to get away with it, others cant. Mimi ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:39:12 EDT From: Femboty2k@aol.com Subject: MM: (no subject) Okay here goes nothing. I will never request a song at a concert again. Normally I never do. However, it happened and since then I've often wondered why the artist did not play the only song that was being marketed at that time. The first I ever saw or heard of Patty Griffin was a video of OBL which aired on the Bravo Channel last year in August and in October I heard OBL at the meat counter at the grocery store the night before I saw her perform at Fletchers (what's up with the Grocery stores). Patty Griffin has the right to perform what ever she wants, and perhaps she was sick of the song, or maybe she just doesn't even like it! And nobody liked me like me for requesting it because they were all requesting songs too! I don't care anymore. I was curious because of One Big Love/Chrome Dog Music. That's that, end of discussion. P.S. I apologize for calling whoever I called an A/H, however you brought it on yourself by your nasty way of requesting how to get off of this crazy list. Peace, Tina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:25:24 -0700 From: "Soudah, Carol Diana" Subject: RE: MM: toothless in Florida >>>>>>>> An artist (hence the moniker, "artist") does not owe it to the audience to play her/his "big hit" (nor any of the audience members' sentimental favorites, no matter how juicy the posibility of hearing them played might be). When you buy a ticket to see Patty Griffin, you pay to see her play. .......>>>>>>> absolutely. we expect artists to create material that is honest and truly their own, and the same is said for how they perform it. if we suppose we can tell them what to play, then we might as well tell them what to produce and write. the creative process is entirely their own, and because it is, we love them for it. once PG begins playing only what we want to hear each and everytime she becomes simply a music machine in response to public demand. That would make her no different from radio and many top 40 artists today who produce and perform what crowds want, when they want it, how they want it. at this point, independent creativity dies. carol in l.a. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:59:05 -0500 From: "James P / Cristina M" Subject: MM: song requests Maybe Patty should take note of a "legendary" Tori Amos response to a crowd who kept shouting out requests at her between songs. She simply pointed at her body and said, "Hey, it ain't a jukebox!" Personally, song requests don't bother me too much as long as people don't do it while the artist is speaking to the audience. I find that disrespectful and have actually seen it done to Patty at a concert here in Nash-vegas. Once a crowd crosses that line and becomes rude, I can't help but be embarrassed even though it's not me that is making such a ruckus. Well, it's pasta time..... -cristina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:14:38 -0700 From: hilah Subject: MM: re:song requests didn't joni mitchell once say, during a recorded live concert, amidst a multitude of yelled out requests, that painting is better than songstering because "nobody said to van gogh, 'hey paint starry night again, man'"? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:11:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Julie E Graham Subject: MM: requests > And as for yelled out requests, I personally find them irritating (not > unlike little gnats that go flitting against your face on an otherwise > lovely, outdoorsy summer night. Call me persnickity. > > Peace, > Shel As a general rule, I agree. Sometimes the artist *does* ask for requests. Last Sunday I was lucky enough to see Jewel. At one point she said, "Hmm... What should I play for you?" I took this as my opportunity to shout "The Sue Lee Song!!!!" I didn't get my wish, but I thought that it was the right moment to at least try. What *really* bothers me, is when someone shouts "I wanna marry you!" or some nosense while the perfomer is *singing*. Grrr! He or she bought the ticket! Why don't people *listen*? Anyway, I think it's nice when artists take requests from the audience. We feed and house them. It's the least a performer can do to say thanks. :) Julie in TN ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V3 #247 *********************************