From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V3 #188 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Thursday, June 24 1999 Volume 03 : Number 188 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: Blue Sky on whazzisface [Grace Halverson ] Re: MM: Blue Sky on whazzisface [Mark Miazga ] MM: Patty on Letterman? [Mudhoney49@aol.com] MM: npc-America's reluctance to accept "questionable" art ["James P / ] MM: you never get what you want [Judy Lev ] MM: Re: you never get what you want ["Victoria Chenevey" Subject: Re: MM: Blue Sky on whazzisface Of course, I >still don't really like that song, and if I were her producer or >whoever >picks what songs she releases I wouldn't have released One Big Love OR >Blue >Sky. But if I had never heard of her and saw the Conan show, I >wouldn't have >been the least bit impressed. If I had seen her on Craig (I remembered >his >name!) I would have taken notice and wanted to learn more about her. >That's >the whole point, right? > i agree, but i think that the "general public" favor a "blue sky"/"one big love" over anything else on that album. that is just my opinion of most music listeners in america, and i think her management knows what they're doing if the goal is to make Patty famous. though fame is nothing on the big scale of things. to each his own. patty is still an amazing musician regardless. grace ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:23:32 -0400 From: Mark Miazga Subject: Re: MM: Blue Sky on whazzisface My $0.02 on singles... "One Big Love" was an excellent choice... it's catchy and showcases Patty's voice really well. But "Blue Sky" I just don't get. I don't think it's catchy *or* memorable. It's one of the weakest songs on the album. I think "Tony" would have been an excellent single choice. Despite its subject matter, it's not *that* controversial, and I think sometimes the American public is underestimated in its ability to take on issue-oriented songs. "Tony" is milder than, say, Suzanne Vega's "Luka", which was a huge hit. Grace Halverson wrote: > Of course, I > >still don't really like that song, and if I were her producer or > >whoever > >picks what songs she releases I wouldn't have released One Big Love OR > >Blue > >Sky. But if I had never heard of her and saw the Conan show, I > >wouldn't have > >been the least bit impressed. If I had seen her on Craig (I remembered > >his > >name!) I would have taken notice and wanted to learn more about her. > >That's > >the whole point, right? > > > > i agree, but i think that the "general public" favor a "blue sky"/"one > big love" > over anything else on that album. that is just my opinion of most music > listeners > in america, and i think her management knows what they're doing if the > goal > is to make Patty famous. though fame is nothing on the big scale of > things. > to each his own. > > patty is still an amazing musician regardless. > > grace > ___________________________________________________________________ > Get the Internet just the way you want it. > Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! > Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. - -- Mark Miazga e-mail: miazgama@pilot.msu.edu 302 Mason Hall, MSU East Lansing, MI 48825 (517) 355-2080 http://www.msu.edu/~miazgama Check out my picks for the best of 1998 on my homepage! Program Coordinator of The Common Grounds Coffeehouse. Cheap Concerts every Thursday and Friday night in the basement of Akers Hall on the MSU campus. Schedule, booking, and mailing list info at: http://www.msu.edu/~miazgama/coffee "I don't want to achieve immortality through my work. I want to achieve it through not dying." -- Woody Allen The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. -- Unknown ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:28:03 EDT From: Mudhoney49@aol.com Subject: MM: Patty on Letterman? I must be missing something. When's Patty on Letterman? Hayley ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:08:55 -0500 From: "James P / Cristina M" Subject: MM: npc-America's reluctance to accept "questionable" art Someone just raised an interesting point about the Suzanne Vega song, "Luka," and its success. I agree that the American public is underestimated when it comes to "questionable" material and the willingness to accept it. It's really rather self-righteous for radio stations/TV stations/advertisers/etc... to dictate what the American public is "ready" for and what they are willing to accept. One of my favorite bumper stickers says, "The media are only as liberal as the conservative corporations that own them." Thankfully, in the lines of work that I want to go into (publishing and independent filmmaking) there is a greater landscape for so-called controversial, issue-driven material and art. Of course, I am perfectly aware that this is not always the case; but like Suzanne Vega, the American public also made bestselling authors out of Dorothy Allison and Alice Walker (both women are openly gay, well, actually Alice is bi, and have written beautiful works that explore women's sexuality). Spike Lee's films are usually very thought-provoking (at least his earlier works were) and he's become quite a heavy-weight director. These are only a few examples, but I think that when an audience is given respect, is shown that the artists and his/her advertisers and corporations are aware that the American public has a brain, then the audience will show their appreciation by supporting those works. I think that it just SEEMS like the "moral majority" is a majority because they have access to a lot of money and big mouths. The media are NOT liberal (anyone can see this if they compare news time given to NATO bombings with the news time given to protests), they are NOT objective, and I believe I lose more brain cells watching the 5 o'clock news than when I drink a glass of wine. Okay, I'm about to start quoting Neil Postman so I better shut up. But, I digress...My point is that I feel that Americans are ready for a song like "Tony," but I wonder if the FCC will object to the word "faggot" and censor Patty? (Actually, probably not since, as a documentary called _The Celluloid Closet_ pointed out, it is still used in many, many movies today as a socially acceptable insult even though Patty doesn't approach it from that angle) Does this post even make sense???? I guess I'm just procrastinating because I should be reading _The French Lieutenant's Woman_.God, I wish summer school would just go away.... -Cristina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:23:30 -0500 From: Judy Lev Subject: MM: you never get what you want so i recently discovered that i'm allowed to listen to music at my summer job.. > i've been listening a lot to patty and a lot more closely also... so here's what > i decided.."you never get what you want", to me, is about a really bad situation > with parents. it describes, almost perfectly, what my friend is experiencing > right now with her parents... see, my friend's parents "told her how to act and > what to say" all her life, but she never did it. she's not their clone, she's > herself. they wanted her to be a certain way and they can't love her because she > is not that person. (it may have something to do with the fact that she's > adopted)...and she always says "i don't think it's my fault." which is, in my > opinion, amazing that she doesn't blame herself. "everything's always such a > mystery including your sad little history...do you still think someone should > take responsiblity and pay...ever since i'm known you you've walked that > walk....and everytime it breaks my heart to hear you talkin this way...." to me, > she's talking about parents...or guardians for that matter. my friends parents > have no happiness, no compassion, just coldness. it disgusts me. they listen to > nothing she has to say and they shrug her off like she's just there for > decoration or something....just a talking head... they "spend their whole life > thinking bout why she's so deranged" when patty says "well, honey why don't you > think about that for a change" its almost like they are the reason she's so > deranged.... i don't know, i guess i've just recently opened my eyes to what this > song means to me...curious what y'all think..... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:35:16 -0700 From: "Victoria Chenevey" Subject: MM: Re: you never get what you want I always thought she was singing about my ex-husband! Vickie ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V3 #188 *********************************