From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V3 #168 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Saturday, June 5 1999 Volume 03 : Number 168 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: thoughts on shyness [Joshua Wolf Shenk ] MM: letterman [Sean Palen ] Re: MM: letterman [JohnRN24@aol.com] Re: MM: letterman [Judy Lev ] MM: Letterman date change/ANOTHER TV show/Dixie Chicks to cover Patty [Mi] Re: MM: Letterman date change/ANOTHER TV show/Dixie Chicks to cover Patty [Mike Connell ] MM: what does paul think? [Paul Russell ] Re: MM: Letterman date change/ANOTHER TV show/Dixie Chicks to cover Patty [Mooodeee@aol.] Re: MM: Letterman date change/ANOTHER TV show/Dixie Chicks to cover Patty [Mudhoney49@aol.c] MM: my .02 on Dixie Chicks to cover Patty [Mike Bauer Subject: MM: thoughts on shyness Fellow fans, I've been lurking on this list for a while. I thought I might have something to add to the discussion of Patty's shyness and, more generally, the issue of seeking celebrity vs. appreciating art. I spent three days with Patty last summer and spoke to her on the phone several more times in the course of writing a piece on her for GQ. (It ran in January.) It is clear to me that Patty is touched by letters and other indications that her music matters to people. But it is equally clear that she wants to be known to the world through her music, not her personality. If a song like "Tony" or "Moses" or any of her other gems opens our hearts to beauty, suffering, and love (in ourselves and/or in others), that's what she wants. I don't expect it's easy for any popular artist to be confronted with the intense feelings she arises in strangers. I think of a moment on a Springsteen bootleg where a fan calls out, "WE LOVE YOU BRUCE." And, after moments of pregnant silence, he responds, "But - you - don't - even - know - me." If this is difficult for any popular artist, I think it is particularly so for Patty, who is very shy and very reluctant to be an icon or a "celebrity." I've spoken to her a few times since the piece ran and would very much like to be friends with her. But I also keep reminding myself -- and perhaps others will find this useful too -- that what matters most in the here and now is my relationship to the *music*. Perhaps an excerpt from my interview with Patty will help illuminate this idea. (Her Dylan reference is to the last track on *Time Out of Mind*.) "I want to know about the artists too, I mean I'm really interested in hearing, you know, what Springsteen has to say or especially Dylan -- it would be really interesting to hear what he had to say about his songs, the experiences he had -- you know, did he really go to Boston to write that song about the Highlands. Where was he and where did he eat and all that stuff. I would really like to know that. But on the other hand I can create that in my own mind. What I do know about that song is that it makes me really feel something, it makes me feel alive and better to just leave it at that." Best, Josh Shenk * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Joshua Wolf Shenk 24 Fifth Ave. #1523 New York NY 10011 212/777-7718 fax: 708/ 575-1811 jwshenk@bigfoot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 11:43:52 PDT From: Sean Palen Subject: MM: letterman Hey MMers Has anyone heard if she'll be playing the same song on Letterman as she did Conan? Sean _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:51:42 EDT From: JohnRN24@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: letterman most stars tour talk shows with the same single in tow. :-) John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 17:20:29 -0500 From: Judy Lev Subject: Re: MM: letterman when exactly is patty gonna be on letterman???? i never wrote it down. thanks ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 20:12:55 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: MM: Letterman date change/ANOTHER TV show/Dixie Chicks to cover Patty Hi Mishers :-) Got some news for you from Patty's management :-) First of all, Patty's appearance on Letterman has been moved to Monday July 19 (It had been scheduled for Thursday June 17th) NEW show appearance: Patty will appear on the Craig Kilborn Show on CBS television on Friday June 18 at 12:35am ET. This show follows the Letterman show each night. None the less, please check yout local listings for other time zones. (for those of you that do not know, this Kilborn show is relatively new, as it replaced the Tom Snyder Show a month or two back) In some interesting news, two recording acts are doing Patty songs on their next albums/projects. The Dixie Chicks have recorded "Let Him Fly" for their upcoming album while Martina McBride is going to cut "Goodbye" for her next project. Mike :-) - - * The Patty Griffin/Mad-Mission@smoe List Homepage is at: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/pattyg.htm * * Rachel Martin's Patty Griffin Lyrics Archive is at * http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/3079/patty.html * * Jerry Zigmont's Flaming Red - A Patty Griffin Website is at * http://members.tripod.com/PattyGriffin * * Katie Peterson's Patty Griffin Guitar Tabs Archive is at * http://members.tripod.com/~Lifey/patty.html * * DuckOfPrey or WhyADuck55 on AOL and/or AOL Instant Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 20:26:33 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: MM: Letterman date change/ANOTHER TV show/Dixie Chicks to cover Patty I wrote: >In some interesting news, two recording acts are doing Patty songs on their >next albums/projects. The Dixie Chicks have recorded "Let Him Fly" for >their upcoming album while Martina McBride is going to cut "Goodbye" for >her next project. Personally, I am not sure how I feel about that. I'd much rather the music world learns of these songs through Pattys' vocal chords. I mean, I obviously don't know if either of these artists intend to release the songs as a single, but lately it seems like the Dixie Chicks could sing the TV Guide and it would sell briskly. So if either of these has a hit with a Patty tune, yeah, sure it would give Patty exposure in the music industry, but I am not at all sure it will turn anyone in the listening audience on to Patty Griffin. How many of the general listening audience pays attention to who wrote a song? I know WE do when it comes to "our Patty" and whatever she sings, especially when it's a cover, but if the Chicks turn Let Him Fly into a hit, most people (like my mother) who loves the Chicks won't have a clue who wrote it, nor much less care. I am not saying I am against it, I think I am saying/feeling that I am anxious to see the world learn of Patty's singing. Perhaps I am saying this seems like it's trivial when it comes to Patty's career (unless maybe many start covering Patty or start recording unreleased Patty tunes and she becomes a hit songwriter) "Geez Mike, what ARE you trying to say?" I dunno. I'm curious as to what some of the rest of you feel about this. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 20:46:32 -0400 From: Danzer Subject: MM:Patty Covers Hi.... On the subject of other artists covering Patty songs, i feel it can in the long run, only be a good thing! You see...number one, Patty makes money off of the royalities...so she's not broke, thus she can pay her rent, not get a day to day job, and she can fund future recordings for herself! All this equals more Patty music for us! Second.....running an independent music store, you'd be surprised by how many people can be turned on to new music by hearing a cover song, or an artist guesting on anothers album. Not to long ago, i sold some Patty to a fan of Marc Cohn, because i told him that Patty was the female voice in the background of some of the songs! He loves Patty now! Just my 2 cents! joel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 19:01:21 PDT From: Paul Russell Subject: MM: what does paul think? Hey all! I must say that Lobsterfest last weekend was delicious! Lot's of lobster, lots of fest. Not that any of you know what I'm talking about, but that's okay, I'm like that. ;P I thought I heard those "magic words" (..."what do you think?") so I'll start typing now. I'll wake you up when I'm through. Hmmmmm. I've got mixed emotions about that "someone else singing someone's stuff" thing. Yeah, it would be good for Patty Griffin, right? But here's my hammer... Way back when I was just a wee leetle lad listening to that ever cool "jesse's girl" by Rick Springfield, I was total stupid flabergasted by Bruce Springsteen then covering it. I thought, "what a freaking moron. He has to use other people's songs to become famous." Of course, me at age 7 wasn't akin to Brucey's other hits before the "Jessie's girl" thing and yadda yadda yadda. Then, when Vanilla Ice did that "extreme" song...or was it "too cool?" I don't remember. The point is he did that Queen "under pressure" diddy in it (so obvious Vanny boy, what were you thinking playing your case?) I was incensed when this one girl I was dating didn't know about Queen and that song. It gripped me right here *is pointing to chest, by the way* that she thought Vanilla Ice made that diddy up. I had her play her vanilla Ice tape and then I played the Queen song over the phone to show her. Man, how anal retentive is that? Anyway, the semi-sort of-point is that I always felt that was unnacceptable. But then I actually grew up and realized that people do that all the time anyway. Hell, Eric Clapton even reduzz his old songs like "Layla" and re-releases them. So, I guess it's like I''m not really caring anymore. I mean, that one woman redid Cindy Lauper's "time after time" and it was good. But it can never be as good as Cindy's, ya dig what I'm shouting here? But wait! then there's those that actually sound better than the earlier version. For instance. When I was with one of many bands, we covered "stepping Stone" by the monkees and let me cut the cheese here, but I thought it really kicked major booty....kinda punkish during the cut-time part. To add to that... and to be a little blasphemous... I got a hold of a metallica version of Queen's "Stone Cold Crazy" and let me tell y'all, that version is max kick ass. Me being a drummer, all I can say is,"wow." So of course I learned how to drum it. so I guess it really has to do with the INTERPRETATION (ooh ooh, big word there) of the artist. Yeah, that's it. That seems to be more of a point to make instead of rambling like all the above paragraphs. ;) The real question is why an artist wants to sing someone else's song. If it's because they like it, but have a different interpretation of how the song should go then by all means. Example: The "Every Breath you take" rap version was redone to say "....every single day I'll be missing you" in memory of Notorious BIG and his untimely death. (turning a stalking song into a remembering song). Or if they want to honor another artist by singing his song. Example: George Michael re-did Elton John's "Don't let the sun go down on me." Is it a better version? well, not really. Is it a good version? yes. Should it have been done? by all means. Mr. Michael put more "oomph" into it that wasn't there before, even though the original is better and sung by a better singer (Elton John). I guess the only time I would be opposed to it is if the artist was just covering up for not having any talent. Example: Not to single out any particular artist, but....Vanilla Ice. To be fair, he re-did his rap song "extreme" or whatever and made it into an almost industrial song...which I thought wasn't too bad. My gripe on that is just that the original (even for how lame I thought it was) wasn't all that bad either. But even more is that he couldn't come up with ANYTHING else in his like ten-year absence except to re-do one of his old songs. I mean, come on. Can we say pathetic? Am I making cents here? I hope so. I'm just walking in this fishbowl of life (glug glug glug) and thought I'd comment. So the essence of my post is that....hmmmmmmmm. That's an interesting topic ya got there. :) ****** in other news, someone named paul russell is having a birthday on Saturday (I know that's pathetic me mentioning that, but I just had to since one of my friends called me a "birthday soliciting whore" and I quite thought that was funny. Hey why not?) :P That's all for now. It's almost time for me to stop working (this is work?) and go get drunk. As Steve Martin once said, "Hey now, who's the barber here?" peace, love and vegetable rights. paul (the one with that birthday tomorrow) ;) ************************* * He was a wise man * * who invented beer. * * * * --Plato * ************************* _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 22:10:15 EDT From: Mooodeee@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Letterman date change/ANOTHER TV show/Dixie Chicks to cover Patty I TOTALLY know why this is happening and why it is good... it is all about publishing!! (as a songwriter). The sales she could expect to make based on these versions being released directly translates into some nice sweet royalty checks!!!! The possibility of introducing her to new fans is merely gravy. GO PATTY!!!! Mimi in Austin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 00:35:05 EDT From: Mudhoney49@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Letterman date change/ANOTHER TV show/Dixie Chicks to cover Patty Plenty of songwriters have this happen to them, and in most cases it makes them more popular. I think I'm probably mainly thinking of Lucinda Williams-whose songs have been recorded by Mary Chapin Carpenter (one of her most popular if not the most popular singles "Passionate Kisses"), Tom Petty, Emmylou Harris, etc. etc. etc. but still gets attention for her own music. I like the Dixie Chicks. I can't imagine them doing "Let Him Fly" per se but it could be interesting. I think it's really cool-fellow artists appreciating Patty's music and showing their respect by covering her songs, that's cool. Hayley ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 22:02:55 -0700 From: Mike Bauer Subject: MM: my .02 on Dixie Chicks to cover Patty Hi All - Mike B. Here~ Good point(s) Mike C and Paul - most of the general population could give a hoot as to who actually wrote the song. I doubt these will turn any new people on to Patty (how many of you know Lucinda Williams wrote Mary Chapin Carpenter's "Passionate Kisses?") How many people can count the hits Led Zeppelin and the Stones had remaking old blues tunes? How many people know Barry Manilow wrote the "I'm stuck on band aids" commercial for that matter? Wow - where did that come from - I digress... (and please don't ask me how I know that lol) I used to feel the same way about artists covering others' material - but like Paul I've changed my tune (OUCH! lol) I'm curious to see how the arrangements of the songs will be done - I like covers a lot more when an artist puts their own "sound" to it instead of trying to flat out imitate it (you all should hear our own Sharyn Murray cover "Mary" - WOW!) As much as I hate to bring up the $ issue, we can only hope that the additional income from royalties will enable Patty to keep recording and touring. And Hopefully it will get Patty more noticed in the industry - hopefully that will lead to more and better PR - which will sell more albums and concert tix - which in the long run...you get the idea. IMHO, she's no worse off. Just my .02 - maybe a little more take care all, ~m On Friday, June 04, 1999 5:27 PM, Mike Connell [SMTP:ducksoup@spectra.net] wrote: > I wrote: > >In some interesting news, two recording acts are doing Patty songs on their > >next albums/projects. The Dixie Chicks have recorded "Let Him Fly" for > >their upcoming album while Martina McBride is going to cut "Goodbye" for > >her next project. > > Personally, I am not sure how I feel about that. I'd much rather the music > world learns of these songs through Pattys' vocal chords. I mean, I > obviously don't know if either of these artists intend to release the songs > as a single, but lately it seems like the Dixie Chicks could sing the TV > Guide and it would sell briskly. So if either of these has a hit with a > Patty tune, yeah, sure it would give Patty exposure in the music industry, > but I am not at all sure it will turn anyone in the listening audience on > to Patty Griffin. How many of the general listening audience pays attention > to who wrote a song? I know WE do when it comes to "our Patty" and whatever > she sings, especially when it's a cover, but if the Chicks turn Let Him Fly > into a hit, most people (like my mother) who loves the Chicks won't have a > clue who wrote it, nor much less care. > > I am not saying I am against it, I think I am saying/feeling that I am > anxious to see the world learn of Patty's singing. Perhaps I am saying > this seems like it's trivial when it comes to Patty's career (unless maybe > many start covering Patty or start recording unreleased Patty tunes and she > becomes a hit songwriter) > > "Geez Mike, what ARE you trying to say?" > > I dunno. > > I'm curious as to what some of the rest of you feel about this. > > Mike ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V3 #168 *********************************