From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V3 #150 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Thursday, May 20 1999 Volume 03 : Number 150 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: NPC: No requests policy [UMCaner74@aol.com] MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #148--house concert [LMYERS2HOU@aol.com] MM: Lilith Fair [Suzsteph@aol.com] MM: Re: NPC: No requests policy ["James P" ] Re: MM: Lilith Fair [Mark Miazga ] MM: Trading Tapes [Hejjira1@aol.com] MM: One Big Love Singalong... [NuAgeThnkr@aol.com] MM: NPC: stereotypes [Judy Lev ] Re: MM: NPC: No requests policy (and some tour date info) [Mike Connell <] MM: ????Newport Folk Festival???? [Hejjira1@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:16:54 EDT From: UMCaner74@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: NPC: No requests policy Rachel, This AND the Sheryl Crow list :-) are the only ones that I'm on..I've never heard of such a policy..but I say "earn the tapes" that you happen to get my making friends is a good policy. I don't see a problem with bootlegging, for the main reason that...if someone is collecting bootleg material, they already have your released material..and they're looking for more! That's a whole different subject though! Yes..I agree with what you said is what it boils down to. I have never sold a Patty bootleg, I don't usually even ask for postage or whateve unless the person insists..there ARE people out there that will try to make money off your artists bootlegs though. I know of a girl that sent $60 to someone on the Jewel mailing list for a bunch of bootleg stuff..what she got is so bad of quality that you can't even understand anything on the tapes! At least she got something though...I know of other people that have been really scammed by people. My point..if you have to make friends with people, and privately email for tapes, it's MUCH less likely that you'll become involved with a scam artist, or someone who just wants tapes for the money they can make off them...that way, only REAL fans will have this material. Very good idea Rachel! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:21:29 EDT From: LMYERS2HOU@aol.com Subject: MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #148--house concert In a message dated 5/19/99 4:00:42 PM Central Daylight Time, mooodeee writes: << If Patty goes for a House Concert or something like that, I think it should be hosted in Austin, since that is where she lives, it would be more convenient for her there. >> I definitely agree. It would certainly be more convenient for me since I live in Houston and have never had a chance to see Patty.:) Loretta ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:57:34 EDT From: Suzsteph@aol.com Subject: MM: Lilith Fair I've been to all the Lilith Fairs that have come to Detroit (thats four each year the performers performed two nights in a row) and even the mini Lilith fair (when Sarah brought along Aimee Man and some others on her tour before Lilith). I've been lucky enough to be front row twice. All artists ROCKED - especially my favorite Sarah. DON'T MISS IT! I even went to the last Lilith in a wheelchair (I had just had serious surgery and had just gotten out of ICU a few days earlier). It rained too--and when I say rain I mean MONSOON! It was still absolutely worth it. Peace, Stephanie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:17:58 -0500 From: "James P" Subject: MM: Re: NPC: No requests policy I'm not sure I totally agree with alienating the newbies as I've only been on this list since November and I had no idea I was being rude or practicing bad "net-tiquette" when asking for live stuff. While I understand the reasoning behind the precaution, I feel that it's rather silly. Who's to say that I'm not selling Patty tapes on the side for a little extra cash AND still posting to the list and going to Patty's shows? My point is, you really don't know 100% who is scamming and who isn't. I view this list as a small net-based community/family of Patty fans and I feel that it is unfair to lay down strict rules like that. We are all adults and if one of us (or one of "them") decides to start selling live tapes, then that is their moral decision. We all understand that many of us broke the rules anyway by smuggling in recorders and cameras to tape these shows, right? Let the flaming begin.... -Cristina - -----Original Message----- From: EveryLittleBit@aol.com To: mad-mission@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 6:34 PM Subject: MM: NPC: No requests policy >A couple of the other lists I'm on instituted a semi-official policy about >writing to the list requesting live tapes. The basic premise was that the >best way to get copies of tapes is to make friends with other list members, >and then get tapes from them. It was partly a security issue for the >artists- tape traders who sell the live tapes could sign on the list, ask for >tapes, get some nice soul to offer them, then sign back off and make money >off of it. If the people had to make friends to get these tapes, it was kind >of a check to make sure they were really fans. > >I know that's an unlikely scenario, but it did help form lots of >relationships. People wh posted about getting copies of live tapes would >recieve replys from people on the list encouraging them to make friends and >stick around, kind of to "earn" the tapes. Hey, if they're fans they'll >stick around anyway, right?I personally have been on this list for it's >entire lifespan, and I've never posted asking for a tape, but I've made >friends and gotten around 5-10 concerts (no, I don't have dubbing materials, >so I can't make copies, before anyone asks!). > >Does anyone have an opinion about instituting such a policy here? Sure, >Patty's tapes won't make much money for tape traders now, but they may soon. >And we're not that big of a community yet, so it may not be that big of a >hassle, but I always have to stop myself from writing to people and asking >them not to ask for tapes on the list. It always seems kind of rude to me- >but that's just because of the policy on every other list I'm on. What do you >guys think? Am I way off base? > >Rachel:D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:04:06 -0400 From: Mark Miazga Subject: Re: MM: Lilith Fair To add a little bit of a dissenting opinion, I, like Stephanie, also attended the Lilith Fair in Detroit (only one each year, though). Both were pretty good, and very economical (only $25 for that many artists!), but I've also been quite disappointed with each. My problems are probably more with Pine Knob than Lilith Fair, but first of all, they didn't open the doors until 3:30. The problem? The Village Stage performers started at 3:30. My friend Lori Amey, who won the contest to appear, was thus missed by nearly everyone as they waited outside. The timing of the performers was also way off. A five minute break should have been scheduled in between the artists, but instead they bumped into each other and it was impossible not to miss some. Also, it's a terrible place to see your favorite artists. This was my first time seeing Sinead O'Connor and Indigo Girls live, and neither did that much for me a mile away. They looked like ants. Only after it got dark outside and they turned on the big screens could anyone sitting on the lawn actually see the performers, and even then it was disappointing. Mainly because we were able to see Natalie Merchant and Sarah McLachlan only, and the latter was noticably exhausted and unable to give it her all. The second stages are much better... Heather Nova blew me away. But even then, the sets are so short that it's much better to just see them alone in a small venue. Overall, I think Lilith Fair has been a good thing, proving that women can sell out large arenas. But I think it's run its course, and don't really think the all-women concept is very good anymore. It worked at first, but now it seems silly to exclude men. I much prefer the HORDE festival, which mixes it up fairly well and is better-run. The artists that Lilith Fair has been choosing are also fairly poor, going more for the one-hit wonders than the artists with long, solid careers. It reminds me of a beauty contest. I'm not going this year, even though it falls on my birthday. The lineup pretty much stinks for Detroit (although I hear Hole may be added, which would make me change my mind in a second), and it's really getting old. Just my opinion. Mark Suzsteph@aol.com wrote: > I've been to all the Lilith Fairs that have come to Detroit (thats four each > year the performers performed two nights in a row) and even the mini Lilith > fair (when Sarah brought along Aimee Man and some others on her tour before > Lilith). I've been lucky enough to be front row twice. All artists ROCKED - > especially my favorite Sarah. DON'T MISS IT! I even went to the last Lilith > in a wheelchair (I had just had serious surgery and had just gotten out of > ICU a few days earlier). It rained too--and when I say rain I mean MONSOON! > It was still absolutely worth it. > > Peace, > Stephanie - -- Mark Miazga e-mail: miazgama@pilot.msu.edu 302 Mason Hall, MSU East Lansing, MI 48825 (517) 355-2080 http://www.msu.edu/~miazgama Program Coordinator of The Common Grounds Coffeehouse. Cheap Concerts every Thursday and Friday night in the basement of Akers Hall on the MSU campus. Schedule, booking, and mailing list info at: http://www.msu.edu/~miazgama/coffee "I'm not into working out. My philosophy: No pain, no pain." -- Carol Leifer "Don't be tempted by the shiny apple / Don't you eat that bitter fruit / Hunger only for a taste of justice / Hunger only for a world of truth / 'cuz all that you have is your soul" -- Tracy Chapman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:13:30 EDT From: Hejjira1@aol.com Subject: MM: Trading Tapes Whoa!!!!!! Hold up guys!!!! Why are we trying to take the fun out of all this?? If we can't trade tapes thru this list than how else are we gonna get them??? I too didn't realize that asking for tapes is bad "net-etiquette" but I think we are all becoming a little too anal when we make a policy prohibiting trading. I personally wouldn't do business with anyone that requested anything more than the postage and handling required for sending the tape to me. And honestly I think if anyone of us jipped the other.......it would be posted on this list faster than you can say "Every Little Bit". And the last thing we should be doing on this list is fighting over stereotypes and gay issues.......I know I orginally brought the issue up but it was only to see what kind of gay following Patty has. Now I want everyone to join hands, take a deep breath, and sing "One Big Love". Peace out Paul Dunn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:26:45 EDT From: NuAgeThnkr@aol.com Subject: MM: One Big Love Singalong... Take my hand and singalong... "Let's take a ride to the seaside..." - --Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 21:32:06 -0500 From: Judy Lev Subject: MM: NPC: stereotypes Regarding my "harsh" response, I wanted to explain a bit....ok, so I am really quick to jump on people when something they say strikes me the wrong way. Sorry about that. I did receive some e-mails in response that totally opened my eyes to it all. Okay, so regarding stereotypes.........I got annoyed by Wendy's comment because she totally made it sound like "gap/j crew looking" was this horrible thing....and I have to admit, I completely stereotype these people IN MY HEAD.....but the fact of the matter is, I am always proven wrong. Behind every white hat, plaid shirt, frat hat, there is a huge heart and sometimes a great guy.....I guess what I'm trying to say is that we're all just people, we're all beautiful and so are you. I don't want to sound like I'm annoyed or irritated by what you said, which is probably exactly how i sounded, I guess I just wanted to make a point. People are intricate, complicated creatures and we need to look beyond clothing and now I realize that that is exactly what happened to Wendy......she made an assumption about these guys strictly based on how they were dressed, and she was fortunately proven wrong. That's what's SOOOO cool. that's all i gotta say...peace to you all. and let's all just get along and speak our minds because that's what we're here to do. I'm glad I called Wendy on that and I'm glad several people called me on my response.....later......judy Ronda B. wrote: > Wow, Judy, this is really harsh. I liked Wendy's post and don't think it > said anything horrible. Since when did saying they looked like "JCrew guys" > become offensive? There's a number of ways that could be taken. Lighten up. > > Ronda > > At 03:30 PM 5/19/99 -0500, Judy Lev wrote: > >Okay.... > > > >Wendy J wrote: > > > >> " I was particularly > >> touched when I saw her last winter in georgetown and > >> these two very gap/j-crew looking guys who I assumed > >> were straight preppy college kids put their arms > >> around each other and started swaying back and forth > >> when she played "sweet lorraine." it was so cute!" > > > >this is a bit irritating....... can someone say stereotype? i could go > >on and say many things explaining why this comment irritated me, but I > >think I should just leave it alone..... i'm not sure why its necessary > >for you to judge these "gap/j-crew looking guys" and then decide that > >they are "cute" if they're gay?????? what has the world come to? > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:32:17 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: MM: NPC: No requests policy (and some tour date info) I understand Rachel's point when it comes to when/if Patty gets "big", however, personally I don't think this is a needed idea. Just my opinion. I am speaking as a fan and fellow list member, NOT as list "owner". The way I recall it, and the way it mostly happened, on the Jewel list which I also "own", and in the year I helped on that list before taking it over, many of us would advise new folks who posted looking for tapes that the best way was to "make friends" and try to get tapes from them, as the success rate was higher, but *my* intent with that advice was not to say "don't post looking for tapes", but rather, as I said, they'd have better success asking friends offlist. However, even online, many folks are shy and can't really even make online friends via chat and/or email (more than a few have written me telling me so). Also just because you make online friends with someone does not mean that they will have tapes that you may be looking for. Again, as a fellow MMer, I feel this is not a necessary step, although again I see the long-range point Rachel is driving at. Mike - hopeing this all made sense :-) P.S. As list owner, I'd like to mention that I received a spreadsheet from Patty's management with up to date tour info, stretching all the way until some December appearances, including some radio shows etc. I haven't had the time to post it to the list yet, but you can find this info on my page....URL below - - * The Patty Griffin/Mad-Mission@smoe List Homepage is at: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/pattyg.htm * * Rachel Martin's Patty Griffin Lyrics Archive is at * http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/3079/patty.html * * Jerry Zigmont's Flaming Red - A Patty Griffin Website is at * http://members.tripod.com/PattyGriffin * * Katie Peterson's Patty Griffin Guitar Tabs Archive is at * http://members.tripod.com/~Lifey/patty.html * * DuckOfPrey or WhyADuck55 on AOL and/or AOL Instant Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 00:22:04 EDT From: Hejjira1@aol.com Subject: MM: ????Newport Folk Festival???? Ok Patty is playing at the Newport Folk Festival?? What is the NPFF?? Who else is playing there? Are tickets still on sale, if so for how much? Is it a day thing.......would I be wise to get a hotel?? Anyone that can shed some light on this for me please do.......it sounds like a good time. Peace, Paul Dunn ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V3 #150 *********************************